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Lakers’ promising start turns into same depressing story vs. Nuggets. `S—, it’s tough’

By Jovan Buha
Apr 21, 2024

DENVER — Los Angeles Lakers head coach Darvin Ham’s message to his team entering its rematch with the defending champion Denver Nuggets was to learn from the past and, more importantly, move forward.

That last part will be difficult for the Lakers to do when their tortured history with the Nuggets continues to repeat itself.

In many ways, the Lakers’ 114-103 loss to the Nuggets in Game 1 of the Western Conference first-round series felt like an extension of the previous eight losses. Nikola Jokić was the best player on the floor, with Los Angeles finding no way to prevent him from scoring easily or generating wide-open layups and 3s for his teammates. Jamal Murray hit circus shot after circus shot. Once the Nuggets ratcheted up their intensity and execution in the second half, they were on a different level than the Lakers. D’Angelo Russell struggled and looked unplayable.

Denver has now beaten the Lakers nine straight times, with little indication that will change anytime soon.

“We could have been better,” LeBron James said. “I thought we played some good ball tonight, but we could’ve been better. We know … we just don’t have much room for error versus this Denver team, especially on their home floor. It’s just a team that’s been through everything. Obviously, they’re the defending champions, so you gotta execute, you gotta make shots, you gotta defend. And then, you can’t give them extra possessions.”

The need to play near-perfect basketball against the Nuggets was a common refrain from James and Ham in the days leading up to Game 1. For the first 18 minutes of Game 1, the Lakers appeared to be doing just that. They led 49-37 with 6:05 left in the first half, precisely executing their offensive sets and powering their way to the rim. They were shooting 61.3 percent at that point; the Nuggets were shooting just 37.8 percent. The Lakers were 16-of-21 on 2-pointers. Anthony Davis and James were dominating the superstar battle, outscoring Jokić and Murray 30-19.

Then, through a combination of Denver’s urgency, the Lakers turning the ball over, failing to keep the Nuggets off the glass and out of transition, playing too much one-on-one and settling for poor shots offensively, the game turned. Denver outscored Los Angeles 77-54 over the final 30 minutes.

“S—, it’s tough,” Ham said. “A championship team is not gonna beat themselves too often.”

The result was another wasted opportunity for the Lakers. This was the game they needed to get to break the losing streak, change the narrative and give themselves a legitimate chance to win this series despite entering it as a significant underdog.

If it didn’t happen last night, will it ever happen?

The Nuggets didn’t play well for more than half the game. A lot went right for the Lakers. Their stars thrived. Yet it still wasn’t enough to produce their first win against the Nuggets in 492 days and counting.

Davis (32 points, 14 rebounds, five assists and four blocks) and James (27 points, six rebounds and eight assists) both scored at least 25 points for just the third time against the Nuggets during the nine-game losing streak. The Lakers only turned the ball over 12 times, normally a low figure, but one that paled in comparison to Denver’s six turnovers. They dominated the free-throw battle (17-of-19 for LA versus 5-of-6 for Denver). Murray had an off-shooting night (9-of-24).

All of that added up to the Lakers only leading by three points, 60-57, at halftime. Then, the game predictably flipped in the second half, with the Nuggets using a 13-0 run in the second half of the third quarter to assume a double-digit lead and command of the game for good.

Denver didn’t have a turnover in the second half, which is an indictment of the Lakers’ defense and its lack of disruption. For the game, the Nuggets dominated offensive rebounds (15 to 6), second-chance points (18 to 8), turnovers (6 to 12), transition points (21 to 14) and points in the paint (64 to 54).

“We can’t be bad at defensive rebounding and transition,” Davis said. “It’s something that we struggle against this team with since last playoffs. … Once again, that’s our Achilles heel. We have to be better in both departments, if not one.”

James, who had seven turnovers and only scored eight points on six shots in the second half, called out the team’s focus.

“I’ve never played on the championship team and didn’t pay attention to detail,” James said. “There’s no ifs, ands or buts about it. You have to.”
Russell, who finished with 13 points on 6-of-20 shooting, was again the face of the Lakers’ shortcomings versus Denver.

Last postseason, he averaged just 6.2 points per game on 32 percent shooting and 13 percent from 3 against the Nuggets in the Western Conference finals. He was moved to the bench ahead of Game 4 and only played 15 minutes.

This season has featured a redemptive arc for Russell, who reestablished himself as an elite shooter and the Lakers’ third-best offensive threat. But that has yet to translate in the Denver matchup, a notable problem for a Lakers team with championship aspirations.

Russell opened the game well, making three of his first four shots. It appeared as if he was finally slaying his Denver demons. But he went ice-cold after the hot start, making just three of his final 16 shot attempts and looking overmatched on both ends by Denver’s perimeter size and athleticism.

The Nuggets targeted Russell, who was often matched up against Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Russell struggles to defend players like Caldwell-Pope that constantly move without the ball, whether it’s curling around screens, slipping and cutting to the basket or keeping Denver’s offense whirring around the Jokić-Murray two-man game. It’s unclear who Russell can feasibly defend in Denver’s starting lineup.

He again may be out of place in this series. The Lakers could stand to use more Spencer Dinwiddie (13 minutes) and Gabe Vincent (eight minutes) in Game 2 to slow down Murray (22 points and 10 assists) and Caldwell-Pope (14 points). Russell is an obvious choice to play fewer minutes.

Despite Russell’s poor performance on both ends, Ham played his starting guard 41 minutes and said he’s going to stand by his player.

“D-Lo is a huge reason why we’re here in the first place,” Ham said. “I’m not going to bail out on my player just because he’s missing the shots that he normally makes. So, same shots were going in against New Orleans and other games that he’s played in to help us get to this point. So, it just wasn’t his night. Shooters are going to have nights like that. But I want him to remain aggressive. That was a good thing, I saw him being aggressive. His energy remained great. He remained positive. So, we’ll go back and try to get better from the film and try to have a better performance Game 2.”

Russell brushed off his performance and said he’s looking forward to Game 2.

“I mean, I can’t be mad,” Russell said. “I don’t recall the last time I got 20 shots. So, for me to get 20 good looks — not 20 ‘good,’ probably five or six of them were questionable. I know what I’m capable of. So, honestly, I’m excited. I’m excited about that.”

Russell, who shot 1-of-9 on 3s Saturday, is now 3-of-24 (12.5 percent) on 3s against Denver in the playoffs.

Los Angeles could also benefit from better mixing up its coverages against Jokić, whether in the form of a new primary defender or in the locations from which they double team and help off other players. Jokić, who had 32 points, 12 rebounds and seven assists, shot 8-of-9 with Hachimura as his primary defender.

The Lakers had greater success using James and Davis as Jokić’s primary defender. James, in particular, was able to front Jokić and get into his legs a bit. He’s done the best job against Jokić across the nine matchups.

“I’m sure a bunch of them were contested,” Ham said of Jokć’s scoring over Hachimura. “They weren’t open. The kid’s a hell of a player. Like, you’re going to play great defense, and he’s still going to score. … And yeah, if we have to go to something else, adjustment wise, we do have a couple more things that we can throw at them.”

Davis said he’s willing to switch onto Jokić full-time, if necessary.

“We’ll make a proper adjustment going into Game 2, and, if that means I’m on him for the whole game, then so be it,” Davis said.

With each consecutive loss to Denver, the pressure against the Lakers grows heavier. They’re not just battling the rest of the series — they’re fighting the matchup’s history, too. Each Nuggets win cements that this has been a one-sided rivalry over the past 12-plus months.

The Lakers are remaining optimistic, at least publicly. Ham said he’s convinced this will be a “hard-fought series.” James dismissed the notion that the previous results will lead to LA doubting its chances of winning the series.

“I don’t ever get into it a ‘here we go again’ mindset,” James said. “It’s one game. They protected they homecourt. We have another opportunity on Monday to come back and be better. We know how challenging it’s going to be. We know how difficult this opponent is and how great they are. So, that’s all a part of the game.”

And what exactly gives James the confidence the Lakers can eventually break through?

“Because it’s a seven-game series,” James said.

(Top photo: Andrew Wevers / USA Today
 
Before Rudyard got to the Timberwolves, Ant said Rudy wasn't that great of a rim protector and that Porzingus was better. :lol: It's weird how the league just has him top 2 every year without fail. Especially since he isn't the most liked guy.
The optics of how easily Jokic Sabonis Nurkic etc go through AD’s chest isn’t helping him win DPOY

Jokic routinely cooks Gobert so that really shouldn't matter.
 
Before Rudyard got to the Timberwolves, Ant said Rudy wasn't that great of a rim protector and that Porzingus was better. :lol: It's weird how the league just has him top 2 every year without fail. Especially since he isn't the most liked guy.


Jokic routinely cooks Gobert so that really shouldn't matter.

True. But Jokic winning 8 straight against AD and Sabonis being lifetime undefeated against him can’t help when people sit down and vote lol
 
Duncan wasn't beating Bron.
1. It wasn't 1 on 1.
2. Duncan wasn't anywhere close to.... *looks at this past Lebron season*... THAT.

Take away his age and call him Laker SF.
Do you think Laker SF, with those stats, what you see on the court, do you think that's worth just $10mil, like this Duncan you're referencing?

Well, and more injured, and less dominant.

Again: roster. 👀
Not 'Trade Captain & Magic.' 👀

NBA history is dominant player A's team beat Dominant player B's team. Of course Duncan himself didn't beat Bron........Kawhi did. :nerd: :lol:
(But thank you for helping me shine even more light on my point)

From a revenue standpoint, Lakers SF is worth every penny.

From a roster construction standpoint, Lakers SF age 40 is NOT, I repeat, NOT, worth 51 million dollars.

Spurs Center age 30-31 was no longer relevant. First round fodder. He had two HOFers IN THEIR PRIME around him but they were zero threat to win anything for years until he took a huge paycut, they nailed a mid first round draft pick, and added depth to the roster like Diaw and Green they would not have been able to if Duncan took a full salary.

If Laker SF wasn't taking 51 million, our roster would be better, right? But he isn't taking less, is he? He keeps signing extensions at his full max values, limiting what we can do with our roster.

And then when it matters (playoffs) and we need "everybody" to pitch in, we have this list of players

Wood
Cam
Max
First round pick bust
Jaxson
Castleton
Dinwiddie
Gabe Vincent

To "help". That's EIGHT guys. Some played, some didn't game 1. Eight. Zero points. (I'm excluding Vando because he actually is highly skilled at something helpful, otherwise it would be 9)

That's a lot of guys on the roster collecting dust. Not helping. And we can't really upgrade them when 51 million goes to the oldest player in the NBA. We let Caruso walk over money. We couldn't pay Malik Monk more money. And we don't replace either guy (or their hugely needed skillset, Caruso a defensive stud, Monk an offensive stud)

If Bron didn't take full Max value contracts in his upper 30's, we might have both guys dressing tonight. (Or insert whatever other players we might have signed instead, these are just specific examples)

39 years old.
Elite offensive stats.
Can't play back to backs.
Doesn't play defense like he used to (other than occasional short bursts)
Takes full Max salary, limiting roster possibilities

He's not locking up Jokic. He's not locking up Jamal Murray. And we can't for the life of us figure out why we are 0-9 vs Denver these last two years......

But he gets a raise this summer. :smokin
 
It gives Jeanie the illusion that she cares about winning, look at all the money I spend!! She’s very smart and knows exactly what she’s doing. Business business business

But in reality the money being spent on the mix of players is a perennial play in team. AD and Bron played the most games they’ve played in a long time, and we are a play in team as a result. This proves the money spent is not spent wisely in terms of being a real contender
 
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It gives Jeanie the illusion that she cares about winning, look at all the money I spend!! She’s very smart and knows exactly what she’s doing. Business business business

But in reality the money being spent on the mix of players is a perennial play in team. AD and Bron played the most games they’ve played in a long time, and we are a play in team as a result. This proves the money spent is not spent wisely in terms of being a real contender

What would y'all have her do then seriously?

We're stuck until Bron decides to hang them up.

They're going to go star hunting again in the off-season. Everything has been a retool if not a flat out overhaul every season since he's been here. You can criticize the roster moves, but outside of Russ, they were largely supported and considered good ones.

Bron and AD largely have not been about to play together much during this pairing except for this year and in 2020. It is what it is.
 
If Laker SF wasn't taking 51 million, our roster would be better, right? But he isn't taking less, is he? He keeps signing extensions at his full max values, limiting what we can do with our roster.
That's your strongest argument right there.
That I have no response to.
From a 'deserve' perspective, I get it; he deserves it.
But from a roster construction standpoint... 😬
 
Ska, I want to be clear, ALL of the blame is not Bron. I don't want it to look or sound like that.

Jeanie, Rob, Bron, AD, Klutch. Equal partners. Equal blame.

It starts at the top.

Jerry Buss, Jerry West, Pat Riley, Magic, Kareem, Worthy.......

Jerry Buss, Jerry West (then Mitch) Phil Jackson, Shaq, Kobe, Pau......

Jeanie.
Kobe's agent.
(Luke, Vogel, Ham, coach #4 incoming)
Bron.
AD.
Bron/AD's agent.

When we lost in 04 we didn't get to say well Rick Fox wasn't doin enough. Kobe and Shaq ate that.

When we lost in 08 we didn't get to say well Luke Walton wasn't doin enough. Kobe and Pau ate that.

2011 Phil was literally beating on Pau's chest begging for fight.

Bron/AD lose and OTHER FOLKS lose jobs. Coaches or players traded/not signed. Bron/AD get pay increases and then we send Rui to guard their best player........
 
Exactly.
And that's not a 'Fire the coach!' or a 'Trade AD & Bron!' solution.
Big Dog, you already know that even if the money was spent wisely and the Lakers had better fitting pieces around AD and Bron that Ham wouldn’t know how to utilize the roster and would completely blow it

Like I been telling all y’all Ham is the MAIN contributing factor as to why this team will never win a title as long as he carries the title of head coach

Out of 133 players polled recently, why did exactly ZERO of them say they would want to play for Ham? Because Ham got a zero for basketball brains that’s why

Fire the coach THEN hire a better more intelligent coach and then build a stronger roster and watch the Lakers do 100x better
 
NBA history is dominant player A's team beat Dominant player B's team. Of course Duncan himself didn't beat Bron........Kawhi did. :nerd: :lol:
(But thank you for helping me shine even more light on my point)

From a revenue standpoint, Lakers SF is worth every penny.

From a roster construction standpoint, Lakers SF age 40 is NOT, I repeat, NOT, worth 51 million dollars.

Spurs Center age 30-31 was no longer relevant. First round fodder. He had two HOFers IN THEIR PRIME around him but they were zero threat to win anything for years until he took a huge paycut, they nailed a mid first round draft pick, and added depth to the roster like Diaw and Green they would not have been able to if Duncan took a full salary.

If Laker SF wasn't taking 51 million, our roster would be better, right? But he isn't taking less, is he? He keeps signing extensions at his full max values, limiting what we can do with our roster.

And then when it matters (playoffs) and we need "everybody" to pitch in, we have this list of players

Wood
Cam
Max
First round pick bust
Jaxson
Castleton
Dinwiddie
Gabe Vincent

To "help". That's EIGHT guys. Some played, some didn't game 1. Eight. Zero points. (I'm excluding Vando because he actually is highly skilled at something helpful, otherwise it would be 9)

That's a lot of guys on the roster collecting dust. Not helping. And we can't really upgrade them when 51 million goes to the oldest player in the NBA. We let Caruso walk over money. We couldn't pay Malik Monk more money. And we don't replace either guy (or their hugely needed skillset, Caruso a defensive stud, Monk an offensive stud)

If Bron didn't take full Max value contracts in his upper 30's, we might have both guys dressing tonight. (Or insert whatever other players we might have signed instead, these are just specific examples)

39 years old.
Elite offensive stats.
Can't play back to backs.
Doesn't play defense like he used to (other than occasional short bursts)
Takes full Max salary, limiting roster possibilities

He's not locking up Jokic. He's not locking up Jamal Murray. And we can't for the life of us figure out why we are 0-9 vs Denver these last two years......

But he gets a raise this summer. :smokin

Kawhi didn't beat Bron either.

The Spurs as a team literally couldn't miss. Nasty revisionist history to act like Kawhi wasn't just another cog in that Spurs machine.
 
Well their main star is hurt so yea... There'd be a built in excuse. Ty is a top 2 coach in the league we'd be lucky to have him
 
Yeah, fire Ham so Jeanie can low ball another head coach. :lol:
So keep him then? 😂

What’s the definition of insanity again? Oh that’s right, keep doing the same thing expecting different results :lol:

If Lakers lose to Denver and Jeanie doesn’t fire Ham after this season, then it becomes even more clear she isn’t trying to win championships like her dad
 
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