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the situation this year is was a lose-lose for us, we have this roster now that plays 0 defense or if we focused on getting defensive players we would be putting up 70 points a game
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Yep.
Phil did get Artest......................when Ariza left. Ariza signs for less money than what LA thought he deserved, no Artest.
Want defense for MDA? How bout sign Dwight Howard? Oh, he chose someone else, well then.
Build a defense around Nash, Pau, and Steve Blake. I'm hearin this correctly? Oh, and you lost your best offensive weapon. But build a defense, around 3 bums, old bums no less.
You build to your strengths first, and address the weaknesses later. (in a perfect world)
They had to rebuild an offense without Kobe and Dwight Howard. You need shooters to do that. They went and got........shooters.
Why, please, tell me WHY you would build up a defensive roster, and then stick Steve Nash and Pau Gasol right in the middle of it?
Guess what guys, if we signed 6 defensive players this offeseason and scored 75 points a game, you all would flip out on this "offensive genius"
Oh wait, the entire league runs a variation of D'Antoni's system? Whaaaaaaaaaa? Well he can't be that smart can he? I mean, the whole league copies him, he surely must be dumb eh?
You guys expected the same Lakers. The win every game we play, in the mix Lakers. And some of us tried to tell you, that's not what you're going to get. This is new. This is (brace yourselves)............rebuilding. Our roster was gutted. And it's not finished yet. We still have a lot of dead weight to get rid of. Stop expecting things, and try to find what we DO have. A MUCH younger roster. A younger group of players that hopefully we can build and use. Maybe Henry sticks, maybe he doesn't. Is Wes actually useable in the future? Can Nick Young help our bench goin forward? Farmar a solid backup in this league in case we draft a PG with the 5th pick this year?
Focus on that, and you'll be fine. Focus on expecting us to be 2009 LA, you're going to be miserable, alllllllllllllllllllllll year long.
So far this year, I don't got a care in the world. I'm fine with the year so far. Got Ska's boy a win. Improved the bench. Kobe back in a month or so. Things will clear up. But it will NOT happen overnight. So understand, we are building. Enjoy the process. Let's all get it done right. Build it back the way we want it. 2-3 years, we CAN be back to THAT LA. MDA is not the problem. He can "help" get a system in place tho. Then, THEN, we can start to address that weakness of his. A defensive minded coach, and hopefully a couple guys that like to play D a little.
That won't be today tho.
Phil did get Artest......................when Ariza left. Ariza signs for less money than what LA thought he deserved, no Artest.
Want defense for MDA? How bout sign Dwight Howard? Oh, he chose someone else, well then.
Build a defense around Nash, Pau, and Steve Blake. I'm hearin this correctly? Oh, and you lost your best offensive weapon. But build a defense, around 3 bums, old bums no less.
You build to your strengths first, and address the weaknesses later. (in a perfect world)
They had to rebuild an offense without Kobe and Dwight Howard. You need shooters to do that. They went and got........shooters.
Why, please, tell me WHY you would build up a defensive roster, and then stick Steve Nash and Pau Gasol right in the middle of it?
Guess what guys, if we signed 6 defensive players this offeseason and scored 75 points a game, you all would flip out on this "offensive genius"
Oh wait, the entire league runs a variation of D'Antoni's system? Whaaaaaaaaaa? Well he can't be that smart can he? I mean, the whole league copies him, he surely must be dumb eh?
You guys expected the same Lakers. The win every game we play, in the mix Lakers. And some of us tried to tell you, that's not what you're going to get. This is new. This is (brace yourselves)............rebuilding. Our roster was gutted. And it's not finished yet. We still have a lot of dead weight to get rid of. Stop expecting things, and try to find what we DO have. A MUCH younger roster. A younger group of players that hopefully we can build and use. Maybe Henry sticks, maybe he doesn't. Is Wes actually useable in the future? Can Nick Young help our bench goin forward? Farmar a solid backup in this league in case we draft a PG with the 5th pick this year?
Focus on that, and you'll be fine. Focus on expecting us to be 2009 LA, you're going to be miserable, alllllllllllllllllllllll year long.
So far this year, I don't got a care in the world. I'm fine with the year so far. Got Ska's boy a win. Improved the bench. Kobe back in a month or so. Things will clear up. But it will NOT happen overnight. So understand, we are building. Enjoy the process. Let's all get it done right. Build it back the way we want it. 2-3 years, we CAN be back to THAT LA. MDA is not the problem. He can "help" get a system in place tho. Then, THEN, we can start to address that weakness of his. A defensive minded coach, and hopefully a couple guys that like to play D a little.
That won't be today tho.
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cp was due for a long post after posting strictly emoticons the past few days
whatever happened to getting a defensive minded assistant coach?
whatever happened to getting a defensive minded assistant coach?
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- Nov 14, 2012
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why do i even bother posting when CP writes up an essay explaining what i was just talking about
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all good. as great as our guys have been playing they're still roll players that can shoot/score, there is no point in building a defensive grind it out style team unless we have get someone that can be a legit #1 option that creates his own shot.When I started typing, I was replying to LTB, I hadn't seen your post yet. Sorry man.
The "yep" at the top was for him saying 18 page reply coming.
of course this is all ignoring the fact that dantoni is our coach
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I blame Pringles for every laker struggle this season
- Nov 14, 2012
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if phil was our coach kobe would have been back opening night and would already be averaging 35 ppg
Xavier Henry, coaches worked on his shot, has improved his game.
Jodie Meeks, playing much better.
Wes Johnson actually starting to look useful. Not good, useful.
Bench group, playing out of their minds as a unit.
All these guys, scrap heap guys, playing their best for MDA. Who sucks? Nash and Gasol. The two vets everyone just assumed would still be good. But MDA is at fault?
MDA's M.O. is he doesn't use a long bench. Plays 8 guys. Now he's rotating 10-11 a game, and he's not doin it right?
We've played 2 road games, blown out both times.
Played 3 home games, won 2, and tied 80-80 with the Spurs with 3 minutes left.
Why folks?
Role guys play better at home. This is well known. You should ALL know that. And they have. They've played great at home.
Road wins, those you need superstars to get you. And the Lakers without Kobe have ZERO superstars.
But y'all mad right now. Goin for MDA's throat, over a game they have no business winning.
How many times you seen the Kings role guys light us the **** up in Sacramento? Then same group comes to LA, and we blow them out. Same thing.
Jodie Meeks, playing much better.
Wes Johnson actually starting to look useful. Not good, useful.
Bench group, playing out of their minds as a unit.
All these guys, scrap heap guys, playing their best for MDA. Who sucks? Nash and Gasol. The two vets everyone just assumed would still be good. But MDA is at fault?
MDA's M.O. is he doesn't use a long bench. Plays 8 guys. Now he's rotating 10-11 a game, and he's not doin it right?
We've played 2 road games, blown out both times.
Played 3 home games, won 2, and tied 80-80 with the Spurs with 3 minutes left.
Why folks?
Role guys play better at home. This is well known. You should ALL know that. And they have. They've played great at home.
Road wins, those you need superstars to get you. And the Lakers without Kobe have ZERO superstars.
But y'all mad right now. Goin for MDA's throat, over a game they have no business winning.
How many times you seen the Kings role guys light us the **** up in Sacramento? Then same group comes to LA, and we blow them out. Same thing.
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ideally if we were building a championship team this year then i would go with someone other than dantoni
but this is the reason memphis and denver (save the george karl slander CP
) have new coaches this year, everyone always blames coaches for teams failing when in reality the team just isnt that good
but this is the reason memphis and denver (save the george karl slander CP
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ideally if we were building a championship team this year then i would go with someone other than dantoni
but this is the reason memphis and denver (save the george karl slander CP
Easier to fire one coach, than 12 players. Always gonna be that way.
Some coaches do lose their way tho. Byron Scott always has 2-3 really good seasons. Then his team get bored of him (or something) and eventually they all tune him out. So in theory, if you had a really good team,and hired Scott, you'd have a window for a couple years to make something happen. Then, it would crumble quickly.
MDA was a Horry hipcheck-Stern suspension away from winning the title in 2007 with zero defense, and a small market Suns team. You guys truly need to think about that. Oh and to make sure you're all aware, that year, he would have beaten Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich to earn that title.
Try to understand that fact. He just doesn't have that Nash anymore. He has the busted down model with 300,000 miles on it.
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i wouldnt say that suns team had zero defense but that team was the ideal team for a mda offense
those pnr switches against us :x
those pnr switches against us :x
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^But because he wasn't going to have Nash, or the other pieces that those Suns teams had, he shouldn't have been hired.
And what if the moves we are making begin to bring in those type of pieces?
You've heard some of us clamor for tanking. Realistically we don't get the #1 and Wiggins, but what if we got the #3 or 4 and pulled Marcus Smart or Dante Exum? Or Andrew Harrison? Gifted gifted PG's that he could develop in his system. The PG we've all been waiting for since Nick. 18-19-20 year old kid with great upside, our own Irving, Curry, Paul, etc type young PG.
Then fill in the blanks around that kid.
MDA still useless then?
We aren't winning a title this year with MDA, Phil Jackson, Pat Riley or Red Auerbach. You could combine the 4 coaches and this team wouldn't win. So let them build the system and put the players into it to develop. That is what we should be trying to do. Develop talent. As many pieces as possible.
If we get just 1 out of X, Young, Wes, Sacre, Harris, Farmar, Meeks, Hill fine. If we get 2, great. If we get 3, outstanding. Develop as many of them as we can for later on.
Kobe and Shaq were Kobe and Shaq because behind the scenes we developed Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher. We stole Fox and Horry, and drafted Fish late. They helped develop around the 2 big stars.
Draft a young 19 year old. (Kobe) Sign a FA or two (Shaq) and develop some young bench guys that can contribute down the line. (3 I just mentioned)
Now just change the names. (PG #5) Kevin Love and Melo (not ideally, but work with me) and use Sacre, Xavier, Wes and Meeks off the bench someday. With old man Kobe as the "leader" of the group playin 25 minutes and bein the spokesperson for the roster. (note, clearly I would clean this roster up, just using it as an example, this is NOT the exact team I have in mind)
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Apparently Jeanie wants Pringles out already this franchise is a mess still
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No way CP!
A professional basketball coach paid millions of dollars to do his job is actually helping the role players improve their game!?
Give the man a max extension now!
Jesus Christ. That's your defense of him? That he's helped some of our players out offensively? Didn't we already know his reputation was making scorers out of nobody's? Didn't he help a whole bunch of no names cash in on contracts in PHX and NY because his uptempo offense helped inflate role players stats? Didn't we already know he's good at helping young players flourish offensively?
Isn't that what he's paid to do? Help players?
Does that make him the right coach for the Lakers franchise because he "helped" Henry with his jumper?
Or wait, don't blame MDA because he's somehow mAde Wes "usable" even though all we see when Wes Johnson is on the court is straight trash.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. You leave Wes in for the amount of minutes MDA gives him, of course he's bound to make a few shots and a FEW plays here and there.
He's playing higher minutes than he has the last two seasons, yet playing worse.
Ladies and gentlemen, Wes Johnson in 23 minutes a game is scoring 8 points a night, while contributing 1 assist and 4 rebounds... Shooting a whopping 34%!!!
34%!!! His CAREER LOW. The worst shooting % of his career thus far, LITERALLY.
But man oh man, MDA is making this kid useful!
C'mon bro...
Seriously.
No ones saying its MDAs fault we have such a horrible defensive roster. I already stated before the season numerous times... Our offense will be better without Dwight, our defense will be 10x worse without him.
I've said It over and over. We gotta out score teams, that's our only chance. So I'm not blaming MDA for us being so bad at defense when it was already expected. Steve Nash can't guard a chair. Automatic career high for any PG playing against him.
But all I'm saying is this dude can't do jack **** to help... AT ALL. You may say even Thibs couldn't help this defense get better, but how the duck do you know that? You psychic? Thibs wouldn't be sitting down every night with a smirk on his face while his teams getting torched for 123 points. You really think he'd let that **** slide?
I'm going by facts. MDA is a horrible defensive coach, and is too stubborn to hire a defensive specialist like Thibs to help him.
That's why he REFUSED Thibadoes help in NY because his ego would not let him accept some damn help.
But you wanna defend him? Even though everyone in the league knows he can't so **** to help a defense?
How is us having horrible defensive players plus a horrible defensive coach going to help our franchise other than getting us that top 3 pick?
No **** I want him to stay right now because it's the perfect recipe for a great young player next year which you and P have made very clear your rooting for.
But does that mean I think he's a good coach? Absolutely ******g not. He's horrible.
Just because we have a bad team doesn't excuse him from being such a USELESS coach for our franchises future.
That's all I'm sayin man. So why the hell do you keep defending him as if in 2014 this dudes really gonna help this team win? We could get a roster full of defensive studs and he still wouldn't know what the hell to do with them.
I'm not mad at him for us being horrible, I already knew we would be without Kobe. **** like you said even with Kobe we were still horrible last year. But on a nightly basis he continues to show no willingness to change his stubborn ways with his rotations and never does jack **** to even attempt to work on this teams defense.
I'm happy he's our coach this year for obvious purposes. But I want him gone the next morning after this season is over. GONE.
A professional basketball coach paid millions of dollars to do his job is actually helping the role players improve their game!?
Give the man a max extension now!
Jesus Christ. That's your defense of him? That he's helped some of our players out offensively? Didn't we already know his reputation was making scorers out of nobody's? Didn't he help a whole bunch of no names cash in on contracts in PHX and NY because his uptempo offense helped inflate role players stats? Didn't we already know he's good at helping young players flourish offensively?
Isn't that what he's paid to do? Help players?
Does that make him the right coach for the Lakers franchise because he "helped" Henry with his jumper?
Or wait, don't blame MDA because he's somehow mAde Wes "usable" even though all we see when Wes Johnson is on the court is straight trash.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. You leave Wes in for the amount of minutes MDA gives him, of course he's bound to make a few shots and a FEW plays here and there.
He's playing higher minutes than he has the last two seasons, yet playing worse.
Ladies and gentlemen, Wes Johnson in 23 minutes a game is scoring 8 points a night, while contributing 1 assist and 4 rebounds... Shooting a whopping 34%!!!
34%!!! His CAREER LOW. The worst shooting % of his career thus far, LITERALLY.
But man oh man, MDA is making this kid useful!
C'mon bro...
Seriously.
No ones saying its MDAs fault we have such a horrible defensive roster. I already stated before the season numerous times... Our offense will be better without Dwight, our defense will be 10x worse without him.
I've said It over and over. We gotta out score teams, that's our only chance. So I'm not blaming MDA for us being so bad at defense when it was already expected. Steve Nash can't guard a chair. Automatic career high for any PG playing against him.
But all I'm saying is this dude can't do jack **** to help... AT ALL. You may say even Thibs couldn't help this defense get better, but how the duck do you know that? You psychic? Thibs wouldn't be sitting down every night with a smirk on his face while his teams getting torched for 123 points. You really think he'd let that **** slide?
I'm going by facts. MDA is a horrible defensive coach, and is too stubborn to hire a defensive specialist like Thibs to help him.
That's why he REFUSED Thibadoes help in NY because his ego would not let him accept some damn help.
But you wanna defend him? Even though everyone in the league knows he can't so **** to help a defense?
How is us having horrible defensive players plus a horrible defensive coach going to help our franchise other than getting us that top 3 pick?
No **** I want him to stay right now because it's the perfect recipe for a great young player next year which you and P have made very clear your rooting for.
But does that mean I think he's a good coach? Absolutely ******g not. He's horrible.
Just because we have a bad team doesn't excuse him from being such a USELESS coach for our franchises future.
That's all I'm sayin man. So why the hell do you keep defending him as if in 2014 this dudes really gonna help this team win? We could get a roster full of defensive studs and he still wouldn't know what the hell to do with them.
I'm not mad at him for us being horrible, I already knew we would be without Kobe. **** like you said even with Kobe we were still horrible last year. But on a nightly basis he continues to show no willingness to change his stubborn ways with his rotations and never does jack **** to even attempt to work on this teams defense.
I'm happy he's our coach this year for obvious purposes. But I want him gone the next morning after this season is over. GONE.
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I can't blame MDA. Our roster just isn't good. Our starters can't run anymore. If we had a decent scoring starting unit, we would be winning more games. Pau doesn't fit into Mike's system. I am honestly done with him. I love for what he did for us but he just can't contribute to this team anymore.
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No ones blaming him for our roster.
I just said I know we have a horrible team.
Not the point of my frustration.
I just said I know we have a horrible team.
Not the point of my frustration.
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Sorry for the long read. Originally was gonna let ska do the response.
But had a few extra minutes to spare... Decided to get my CP on.
Now I feel a lot better. No wonder you always let out so much in your posts CP...
But had a few extra minutes to spare... Decided to get my CP on.
Now I feel a lot better. No wonder you always let out so much in your posts CP...
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... this is all I really care about this season, real talk.Yep.. Got Ska's boy a win.
Phil did get Artest......................when Ariza left. Ariza signs for less money than what LA thought he deserved, no Artest.
Want defense for MDA? How bout sign Dwight Howard? Oh, he chose someone else, well then.
Build a defense around Nash, Pau, and Steve Blake. I'm hearin this correctly? Oh, and you lost your best offensive weapon. But build a defense, around 3 bums, old bums no less.
You build to your strengths first, and address the weaknesses later. (in a perfect world)
They had to rebuild an offense without Kobe and Dwight Howard. You need shooters to do that. They went and got........shooters.
Why, please, tell me WHY you would build up a defensive roster, and then stick Steve Nash and Pau Gasol right in the middle of it?
Guess what guys, if we signed 6 defensive players this offeseason and scored 75 points a game, you all would flip out on this "offensive genius"
Oh wait, the entire league runs a variation of D'Antoni's system? Whaaaaaaaaaa? Well he can't be that smart can he? I mean, the whole league copies him, he surely must be dumb eh?
You guys expected the same Lakers. The win every game we play, in the mix Lakers. And some of us tried to tell you, that's not what you're going to get. This is new. This is (brace yourselves)............rebuilding. Our roster was gutted. And it's not finished yet. We still have a lot of dead weight to get rid of. Stop expecting things, and try to find what we DO have. A MUCH younger roster. A younger group of players that hopefully we can build and use. Maybe Henry sticks, maybe he doesn't. Is Wes actually useable in the future? Can Nick Young help our bench goin forward? Farmar a solid backup in this league in case we draft a PG with the 5th pick this year?
Focus on that, and you'll be fine. Focus on expecting us to be 2009 LA, you're going to be miserable, alllllllllllllllllllllll year long.
So far this year, I don't got a care in the world. I'm fine with the year so farImproved the bench. Kobe back in a month or so. Things will clear up. But it will NOT happen overnight. So understand, we are building. Enjoy the process. Let's all get it done right. Build it back the way we want it. 2-3 years, we CAN be back to THAT LA. MDA is not the problem. He can "help" get a system in place tho. Then, THEN, we can start to address that weakness of his. A defensive minded coach, and hopefully a couple guys that like to play D a little.
That won't be today tho.
So everything I say this season, know that I'm not firmly grounded in it.
