LeBron Haters Call To Arms! (The Haters Unification Thread)

LOL now we're talking about Ali and Vietnam? WTH is going on in here? Geez Lebron stans are comical.
 
How is 00's Kobe's Era, how is that possible, like Shaq and Duncan just didn't exist. :lol

Nah its really not debatable.

Kobe was most publications player of the decade for that time period....Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Sporting News, TNT, Dime etc etc
 
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:lol Kobe is not "threatened" by anyone in this era bruh.. he's chasing history, that's the only reason he's still playing:
At the end of the day, Kobe is known as the player of the '00s. That's what his legacy will go down as among NBA history, nothing Lebron does will affect that.

MVP of the '60s = Russell
MVP of the '70s = Kareem
MVP of the '80s = Magic
MVP of the '90s = Jordan
MVP of the '00s = Kobe
MVP of the '10s = Lebron (so far)


I know Kobe haters wish they could erase the past 10 years, but it doesn't work that way. Kobe will go down as an all-time great who owned his era, just like Lebron will. Lebron's success won't erase Kobe's accomplishments. Sorry.

All except one won a Champship/s with the team they started with except one and guess who that is? :p :lol
 
This except shaq was done after 06

Its a toss up between between kobe, duncan

So shaq was the best player for 55% of the era, and some how he;s not part of the discussion? what, so basically because Shaqs prime didn't fit into the dace perfectly he's not up for discussion.

Nah its really not debatable.

Kobe was most publications player of the decade for that time period....Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Sporting News, TNT, Dime etc etc

Oh okay I thought we were talking who the best player was never mind.
 
Nah its really not debatable.

Kobe was most publications player of the decade for that time period....Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Sporting News, TNT, Dime etc etc

From a casual fan point of view they would say kobe because duncans game is considered boring

So shaq was the best player for 55% of the era, and some how he;s not part of the discussion? what, so basically because Shaqs prime didn't fit into the dace perfectly he's not up for discussion..

He wasnt at the top of his game the whole era like kobe and duncan, or even kg
 
How is 00's Kobe's Era, how is that possible, like Shaq and Duncan just didn't exist. :lol

This is the problem with this ERA thing, it's an over simplification, like the 80's is magic's era alone, how is that possible,
Kobe was a top 5 player every single year of the decade. You can't say the same for Shaq or Duncan.

He had a 10 year stretch where he was in 7 (SEVEN!) out of 10 Finals.

Nobody is touching Kobe's accomplishments in the '00s, period.


The "era thing" may be an oversimplification, but that's the point. Discussions of player's legacies are based on oversimplifications. I know you're a stats head, but let's be honest. The average person isn't breaking down PERs and win shares. People don't call Jordan the GOAT because he has the highest MVP shares or whatever. They call him 'GOAT' because he was running **** in his era. Kobe was running **** in the 2000s and everybody knew it.
 
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Kobe wasnt even the best player on his own team for 4 out of the 10 seasons in that decade and 4 of 7 of those finals appearances. To say Kobe was "running ****" is an exageration.
 
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Kobe wasnt even the best player on his own team for 4 out of the 10 seasons in that decade and 4 of 7 of those finals appearances. To say Kobe was "running ****" is an exageration.


No the most you can say its like 3 of the 10 seasons and 3 of those 7 Finals appearances.
 
^ :lol while kobe wasnt the best player on his team he was a top 5 player so your point is irrelevant

To say he wasnt running **** is an exaggeration well from 2000 - 2010 kobe was kickin *** and taken names

Lebron was starting to surpass him in the latter years but kobe was still doing work
 
Nah its really not debatable.

Kobe was most publications player of the decade for that time period....Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Sporting News, TNT, Dime etc etc
From a casual fan point of view they would say kobe because duncans game is considered boring
So shaq was the best player for 55% of the era, and some how he;s not part of the discussion? what, so basically because Shaqs prime didn't fit into the dace perfectly he's not up for discussion..
He wasnt at the top of his game the whole era like kobe and duncan, or even kg
kobe won 5 chips in the 00s to ducans 3, the lakers dominated the spurs in the playoffs, kobe has made more allstar starts, all nba first teams AND all nba defensive teams. where is the argument to be made here?
 
Honestly, if your comparing individuals, you gotta bring up individual accomplishments. All-Stars, first teams, and defensive teams would fall under that. Finals MVPs and regular season MVPs as well. But championships and finals appearances are team accomplishments. If we're to use those to compare players, then Robert Horry would have to get thrown in this mix LOL.

There can be arguments made for Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan for player of the decade. IMO its Duncan. But there is no clear winner because its a matter of opinion, all 3 have a legit case.
 
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Honestly, if your comparing individuals, you gotta bring up individual accomplishments. All-Stars, first teams, and defensive teams would fall under that. Finals MVPs and regular season MVPs as well. But championships and finals appearances are team accomplishments. If we're to use those to compare players, then Robert Horry would have to get thrown in this mix LOL.

There can be arguments made for Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan for player of the decade. IMO its Duncan. But there is no clear winner because its a matter of opinion, all 3 have a legit case.
why do you think it is duncan? 
 
Honestly, if your comparing individuals, you gotta bring up individual accomplishments. All-Stars, first teams, and defensive teams would fall under that. Finals MVPs and regular season MVPs as well. But championships and finals appearances are team accomplishments. If we're to use those to compare players, then Robert Horry would have to get thrown in this mix LOL.

There can be arguments made for Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan for player of the decade. IMO its Duncan. But there is no clear winner because its a matter of opinion, all 3 have a legit case.

No it is clear cut. Most publications and pundits have declared Kobe Bryant the player of that decade
 
Honestly, if your comparing individuals, you gotta bring up individual accomplishments. All-Stars, first teams, and defensive teams would fall under that. Finals MVPs and regular season MVPs as well. But championships and finals appearances are team accomplishments. If we're to use those to compare players, then Robert Horry would have to get thrown in this mix LOL.

There can be arguments made for Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan for player of the decade. IMO its Duncan. But there is no clear winner because its a matter of opinion, all 3 have a legit case.

Lol if kobe isnt your player of the last decade your smoking

Case for shaq
Dominant from 2000 to 2005
Good from 2006 to 2007
Role player from then till his retirement

Case for Duncan
Dominant from 2000 to 2006
Great from 2006 to 2009
2010 down year

Case for Kobe
Good from 2000 to 2001
Dominant from 2002 to 2010
 
Honestly, if your comparing individuals, you gotta bring up individual accomplishments. All-Stars, first teams, and defensive teams would fall under that. Finals MVPs and regular season MVPs as well. But championships and finals appearances are team accomplishments. If we're to use those to compare players, then Robert Horry would have to get thrown in this mix LOL.


There can be arguments made for Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan for player of the decade. IMO its Duncan. But there is no clear winner because its a matter of opinion, all 3 have a legit case.
why do you think it is duncan? 


He was unquestionably the oncourt leader and best player of his team for the entire 10 seasons. Never had under 50 wins every season. 2 MVPs ( more than Kobe and Shaq). 2 FMVP ( 1 less than Shaq, tied with Kobe). He played with less talent than Shaq and Kobe. I also feel like Kobe and Shaq playing together has a part in this. Shaq and Kobe added to each others success. Yes, Duncan had Robinson but he was nowhere near his prime in any part of that decade.
 
Lol if kobe isnt your player of the last decade your smoking

Case for shaq
Dominant from 2000 to 2005
Good from 2006 to 2007
Role player from then till his retirement

Case for Duncan
Dominant from 2000 to 2006
Great from 2006 to 2009
2010 down year

Case for Kobe
Good from 2000 to 2001
Dominant from 2002 to 2010

Stop it kobes dominant years started in 05, when he finally became a leader
 
Lol if kobe isnt your player of the last decade your smoking

Case for shaq
Dominant from 2000 to 2005
Good from 2006 to 2007
Role player from then till his retirement

Case for Duncan
Dominant from 2000 to 2006
Great from 2006 to 2009
2010 down year

Case for Kobe
Good from 2000 to 2001
Dominant from 2002 to 2010

Stop it kobes dominant years started in 05, when he finally became a leader

If being the best 2 guard in the league isnt dominant i pray for your soul
 
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Lol if kobe isnt your player of the last decade your smoking

Case for shaq
Dominant from 2000 to 2005
Good from 2006 to 2007
Role player from then till his retirement

Case for Duncan
Dominant from 2000 to 2006
Great from 2006 to 2009
2010 down year

Case for Kobe
Good from 2000 to 2001
Dominant from 2002 to 2010

Stop it kobes dominant years started in 05, when he finally became a leader

So finishing in the top 5 in the NBA MVP voting isn't dominant?

Actually 2005 is the only year he didn't finish in the top 5 in NBA MVP from 2002 til this past season
 
^ Let him be bro he doesnt think kobe was dominant in 2002

After posting jordan like numbers of 30 ppg, 7 rpg, and 6 apg :eek

From that year and on he was the best 2 guard in the game aka dominant
 
I'm giving Duncan the nod Kobe had Shaq and Duncan never quit on his team or missed the playoffs

Kobe's that dude tho I've always enjoyed watching him more than Duncan
 
He was unquestionably the oncourt leader and best player of his team for the entire 10 seasons. Never had under 50 wins every season. 2 MVPs ( more than Kobe and Shaq). 2 FMVP ( 1 less than Shaq, tied with Kobe). He played with less talent than Shaq and Kobe. I also feel like Kobe and Shaq playing together has a part in this. Shaq and Kobe added to each others success. Yes, Duncan had Robinson but he was nowhere near his prime in any part of that decade.
So did wade n bosh add to lebrons success? People jus cant x those years out, like he was a 10 ppg player. Shaq needed kobe too last time I checked. Jus like james needs wade n bosh. Shaqs dominance tend to make people forget kobe was still the best or 2nd best sg
 
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