LeBron Haters Call To Arms! (The Haters Unification Thread)

[knightngale]

Stop it kobes dominant years started in 05, when he finally became a leader

Kobe started being dominant in 2001 but he still deferred to Shaq. Just watch 2001 playoff highlights. Kobe evicerated every western conference team.
Shaq started falling off in 2003 and was not the best player on the Lakers from that point on. He gained like 30 pounds in the offseason and never got back to his glory years after. In fact, that was one of the main reasons the feud started. Shaq wanted to be the main guy yet was out of shape.

He got the green light in 2005 but he was dominant before that. You probably did not watch Laker games back then.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Kobe was a top 5 player every single year of the decade. You can't say the same for Shaq or Duncan.

He had a 10 year stretch where he was in 7 (SEVEN!) out of 10 Finals.

Nobody is touching Kobe's accomplishments in the '00s, period.


The "era thing" may be an oversimplification, but that's the point. Discussions of player's legacies are based on oversimplifications. I know you're a stats head, but let's be honest. The average person isn't breaking down PERs and win shares. People don't call Jordan the GOAT because he has the highest MVP shares or whatever. They call him 'GOAT' because he was running **** in his era. Kobe was running **** in the 2000s and everybody knew it.

Well those people are stupid, anybody who thinks Kobe is the GOAT is stupid like unequivocally.

 

[uncharteddrake]

This thread is so much fail....much like the lakers 2012-2013 season.....LOL

 

[ssjjfar]

This is the Lebron Haters thread, you shouldn't be surprised to find people downrating Kobe, because all Lebron haters were Kobe Haters before 2010.

(With the obvious exception of the Laker fans)

 

[quik1987]

In case Kobe stans forgot during the first 3 rings

 

[fresh out dabox]

Lebron > kobe 

kobe> Lebron. how many shots did lebron miss

 and lets not forget he wines to the ref for every call.

 

[acbboyz84]

Unfortunately there are a lot of 90s born kids in here.

West playoff where Lakers faced REAL competition during that 3 peat. Spurs, Kings, Portland. All championship ready team.

99-00
Kobe: 21pts, 4.5ast, 4.4reb
Shaq: 30pts, 3.1ast, 15.4reb

00-01
Kobe: 29.4pts, 6.1ast, 7.3reb
Shaq: 30.4pts, 3.2ast. 15.4reb

01-02
Kobe: 26.6pts, 4.9ast, 5.8reb
Shaq: 28.5pts, 2.8ast, 12.6reb

Kobe got carried alright

 

[acbboyz84]

Kobe vs Prime Duncan in 2001 playoff.

Dude nearly drop 40 a game. Yea he got carried.

 

[acbboyz84]

Something Lebron will never be able to do.
3 peat

5>2

 

[uncharteddrake]

Something Lebron will never be able to do.
3 peat

5>2

Oh its coming...its coming...



Something Kobe will never be able to do...win more than 2 finals MVP's

Kobes been in the nba way longer than Lebron, and yet they both have the same amount of NBA finals mvp's...crazy..

 

[quik1987]

Something Lebron will never be able to do.
3 peat

5>2

2 finals mvps = 2 finals mvps

 

[quik1987]

 

[quik1987]

 

[mertonhanks]

He was unquestionably the oncourt leader and best player of his team for the entire 10 seasons. Never had under 50 wins every season. 2 MVPs ( more than Kobe and Shaq). 2 FMVP ( 1 less than Shaq, tied with Kobe). He played with less talent than Shaq and Kobe. I also feel like Kobe and Shaq playing together has a part in this. Shaq and Kobe added to each others success. Yes, Duncan had Robinson but he was nowhere near his prime in any part of that decade.

So did wade n bosh add to lebrons success? People jus cant x those years out, like he was a 10 ppg player. Shaq needed kobe too last time I checked. Jus like james needs wade n bosh. Shaqs dominance tend to make people forget kobe was still the best or 2nd best sg

When did I say Shaq didnt need Kobe? Kobe was the best or 2nd best sg in the league in his time with Shaq, but Duncan was the best player on his team fer the entire decade. Yes, Wade and Bosh added to Lebrons success, but neither of those two were ever a better player than Lebron when they were on the same team. Peep Lebron's 2 FMVP and MVP trophies when they all played together. Shaq was a ridiculously dominant force from 00-06 with his MVP and 3 FMVP, thats why hes in the discussion. IMO its a debate between Kobe and Duncan for player of the decade. I'd pick Duncan.

 

[dman14]

only person to slow down shaq was kobe. only defense on shaq was either fouling him or hope he got in foul trouble and also praying. i'd have to go with shaq being the most dominant, but he was also an underachiever. it's either shaq or duncan

 

[change the name Snyder]

 

 

[Baby Face Nelson]

Unfortunately there are a lot of 90s born kids in here.

West playoff where Lakers faced REAL competition during that 3 peat. Spurs, Kings, Portland. All championship ready team.

99-00
Kobe: 21pts, 4.5ast, 4.4reb
Shaq: 30pts, 3.1ast, 15.4reb

00-01
Kobe: 29.4pts, 6.1ast, 7.3reb
Shaq: 30.4pts, 3.2ast. 15.4reb

01-02
Kobe: 26.6pts, 4.9ast, 5.8reb
Shaq: 28.5pts, 2.8ast, 12.6reb

Kobe got carried alright

         99-00 Finals

          Kobe: 16pts, 4.3 reb, 4.2 asst

          Shaq: 38pts. 16.7 reb, 2.7 blks

          00-01 Finals

           Kobe: 24.6 pts, 7 reb, 3 asst

           Shaq: 33 pts, 15 reb, 3 blks

         01-02 Finals

          Kobe: 26.5 pts, 5.75 rebs, 5.25 asst

          Shaq 36.3 pts,  12.3 rebs, 3.8 blks

          Numbers never lie but Kobe fans do tho

 

[AgentZero]

Why are people in here questioning players when your own fanhoods should be what's in question?  Most of you are bandwagons 

 

[ssjjfar]

         99-00 Finals
          Kobe: 16pts, 4.3 reb, 4.2 asst
          Shaq: 38pts. 16.7 reb, 2.7 blks

          00-01 Finals
           Kobe: 24.6 pts, 7 reb, 3 asst
           Shaq: 33 pts, 15 reb, 3 blks

         01-02 Finals
          Kobe: 26.5 pts, 5.75 rebs, 5.25 asst
          Shaq 36.3 pts,  12.3 rebs, 3.8 blks

          Numbers never lie but Kobe fans do tho

Your both arguing with different numbers.
He is dismissing the Finals as meaningful and showing only the numbers from first 3 rounds.
Your showing only the numbers from the finals.

For final combined results see as follows:.

99-00
Kobe: Championship
Shaq: Championship

00-01
Kobe: Championship
Shaq: Championship

01-02
Kobe: Championship
Shaq: Championship

 

[acbboyz84]

2 finals mvps = 2 finals mvps

Also the video proof don't lie. I'm sure you have access to a site call youtube. Look up what Kobe did to the Spurs, Kings, Blazers etc during the 3 peat.

The Lakers real threat was those West team. The weak East conference team in the Finals were irrelevant. Those weak East team didn't stand a chance against the Lakers. Even Kobe didn't even need to score 20 points for the Lakers to win. Shaq could have score 20 and Lakers would have beat them anyway.

Ask any expert and they would tell you the real Finals were fought on the West playoff.

         99-00 Finals
          Kobe: 16pts, 4.3 reb, 4.2 asst
          Shaq: 38pts. 16.7 reb, 2.7 blks

          00-01 Finals
           Kobe: 24.6 pts, 7 reb, 3 asst
           Shaq: 33 pts, 15 reb, 3 blks

         01-02 Finals
          Kobe: 26.5 pts, 5.75 rebs, 5.25 asst
          Shaq 36.3 pts,  12.3 rebs, 3.8 blks

          Numbers never lie but Kobe fans do tho

You don't get it do you? The Lakers Finals opponents were not even good. The truth is even if Shaq show up for 15 point a game the Lakers would have a great shot at beating team like Philly, Pacer and Nets.

The real threat to the Lakers during the 3 peat was teams like Kings, Portland, and the Spurs with prime Duncan. Without Kobe 35, 40 points games the Lakers wouldn't have get out of the West during those years.

Everybody know how weak the East was so whoever came out of that conference was going to get rolled by the Lakers. So you bringing up Finals stats is really discrediting to Kobe Bryant.

Every real fans who watch the playoff during those Lakers 3 peat know that Kobe was carrying Shaq several time when the Lakers faced team like Spurs, Kings, Blazers.

 

[AgentZero]

2 finals mvps = 2 finals mvps

Also the video proof don't lie. I'm sure you have access to a site call youtube. Look up what Kobe did to the Spurs, Kings, Blazers etc during the 3 peat.

The Lakers real threat was those West team. The weak East conference team in the Finals were irrelevant. Those weak East team didn't stand a chance against the Lakers. Even Kobe didn't even need to score 20 points for the Lakers to win. Shaq could have score 20 and Lakers would have beat them anyway.

Ask any expert and they would tell you the real Finals were fought on the West playoff.

         99-00 Finals
          Kobe: 16pts, 4.3 reb, 4.2 asst
          Shaq: 38pts. 16.7 reb, 2.7 blks

          00-01 Finals
           Kobe: 24.6 pts, 7 reb, 3 asst
           Shaq: 33 pts, 15 reb, 3 blks

         01-02 Finals
          Kobe: 26.5 pts, 5.75 rebs, 5.25 asst
          Shaq 36.3 pts,  12.3 rebs, 3.8 blks

          Numbers never lie but Kobe fans do tho

You don't get it do you? The Lakers Finals opponents were not even good. The truth is even if Shaq show up for 15 point a game the Lakers would have a great shot at beating team like Philly, Pacer and Nets.

The real threat to the Lakers during the 3 peat was teams like Kings, Portland, and the Spurs with prime Duncan. Without Kobe 35, 40 points games the Lakers wouldn't have get out of the West during those years.

Everybody know how weak the East was so whoever came out of that conference was going to get rolled by the Lakers. So you bringing up Finals stats is really discrediting to Kobe Bryant.

Every real fans who watch the playoff during those Lakers 3 peat know that Kobe was carrying Shaq several time when the Lakers faced team like Spurs, Kings, Blazers.

Very true. Lebron fans tend to show the most misleading statistics, someone in the NBA season thread put up the stats of Kobe/Jordan/Lebron at age 28 trying to show how much better Lebron was knowing very well that Lebron didn't go to college (more years in the NBA by age 2 and Jordan did.

 

[acbboyz84]

Your both arguing with different numbers.
He is dismissing the Finals as meaningful and showing only the numbers from first 3 rounds.
Your showing only the numbers from the finals.

For final combined results see as follows:.

99-00
Kobe: Championship
Shaq: Championship

00-01
Kobe: Championship
Shaq: Championship

01-02
Kobe: Championship
Shaq: Championship

The 00-03 West Playoff were the Lakers Real Finals in term of competition.

You really think that the Lakers wouldn't have rolled over everybody if they were playing on the weak East?

Lol the Final candidate for the East wouldn't even make it out the second round on the West.

Think about it.

 

[Truth]

Shaq's Finals MVPs vs. Weak East Centers distort the actual reality that Kobe did a lot of heavy lifting in the WC vs. the true Top Teams

 

[ssjjfar]

The 00-03 West Playoff were the Lakers Real Finals in term of competition.

You really think that the Lakers wouldn't have rolled over everybody if they were playing on the weak East?

Lol the Final candidate for the East wouldn't even make it out the second round on the West.

Think about it.

You sir completely missed my point.
Reread what I said. And then go argue with someone who is actually arguing.

 

[acbboyz84]

Exactly.

The Kobe haters only bring up misleading stats to discredit Kobe real work.

Youtube is only a click away. Just youtube and see how Kobe put in work vs real opponent like prime Duncan Spurs, 01 Kings, 00 Blazers etc.

Those teams were the real threat to the Lakers not weak team like Pacers, Nets, Philly.

Anyone who think team like 00 Pacers, 02 Nets, 01 Philly would have get out of the West playoff are just plain stupid.