LeBron Haters Call To Arms! (The Haters Unification Thread)

[mister friendly]

I mean in todays time and era I get why ppl cosign this and don't see it as a big deal seeing that this is the mindset of ppl today ala internet, where they can have an issue or problem with a person, and rather say it to they face, they do it behind a pc screen in anonymity.

Again Kobe didn't not tell a reporter about Shaq's indiscretions. Honestly don't where you are getting the reporter part from.

It was an off the cuff remark made to a detective that was playing "good cop" to Kobe.

Kobe's comment was on no official transcript it was just recalled by one of the detectives later who leaked it to the media

Obviously you didn't read that page, if you think Shaq never criticized Kobe in the media. If you read the accounts, it seems like Shaq was attacking Kobe first and was kinda on some Kobe is my little brother forever kick

 

[quik1987]

You guys:

 

[mister friendly]

Wait did shoelyesses just say these things

Stockton is the goat point guard

That Gasol was the MVP when the Lakers won a championship

That Kobe changed his number to "one up Jordan"......Who told you that Kanye?

 

[mister friendly]

One of the things I admire most about LeBron is that he has set up his boys to succeed. Everyone affiliated with him, those a part of his group, are now in position to do something for themselves. This is what it should be all about, and then is a wonderful example of reaching out and giving back.

So, has Kobe Bryant done anything close to that, assisting someone other than himself?

This should not include Vanessa, and her apology rings. 

What does this have to do with Basketball?

For all we know Lebron could be pulling an MC Hammer

 

[shoelyesses]

Wait did shoelyesses just say these things

Stockton is the goat point guard

That Gasol was the MVP when the Lakers won a championship

That Kobe changed his number to "one up Jordan"......Who told you that Kanye?

yeah i agree that even if he gets 7 jordan will still be considered the better basketball player. what im saying is one one hand we have someone like MJ who may or may not have had a set goal of x amount of points and x amount of chips, on the other hand we have kobe who says i want more rings than MJ. what im saying is, why is kobe's way of thinking considered a bad thing? i can see your point if it was scoring titles or something where kobe is out there not passing, not playing d and just scoring as much as he can while costing his team wins, but we're talking about championships here. you say that he should have developed his game rather than shooting for these numbers, but honestly what has kobe NOT done in terms of developing his game? in my opinion, skill wise and how he has taken care of his body over the years, kobe maximized his talent and potential and thats all that you can ask for in a player. just wondering, what aspects of his game would be better/how would he be more successful if he didnt care about these number goals?

yeah i agree that even if he gets 7 jordan will still be considered the better basketball player. what im saying is one one hand we have someone like MJ who may or may not have had a set goal of x amount of points and x amount of chips, on the other hand we have kobe who says i want more rings than MJ. what im saying is, why is kobe's way of thinking considered a bad thing? i can see your point if it was scoring titles or something where kobe is out there not passing, not playing d and just scoring as much as he can while costing his team wins, but we're talking about championships here. you say that he should have developed his game rather than shooting for these numbers, but honestly what has kobe NOT done in terms of developing his game? in my opinion, skill wise and how he has taken care of his body over the years, kobe maximized his talent and potential and thats all that you can ask for in a player. just wondering, what aspects of his game would be better/how would he be more successful if he didnt care about these number goals?

One his leadership ability along with doing what is in the best interest of the team... I think that one is pretty obvious. His ability to get others involved and make the players around him better. His court vision, in terms of passing and seeing defenses. Granted he could read coverages and defenses good, but much like Melo, it was solely to isolate himself and but him in a better position to score.

That's just off the top of my head. Again not saying he was horrible at any of these things, just not as good as MJ, and a few other players.

 

[quik1987]

Did someone not just post an article about Phil saying Kobe was selfish,a terrible teammate, and terrible leader?

How could Kobe be better? He could lose his tunnel vision and get his teammates more involved, not be lazy on defense.

He used to be better at these things, and it's not because his deteriorating physical ability. It's his mind set.

Kobe thinks he can win games and make up for his lazy d if he just drops 60 by launching 3s. How many times have we seen Kobe lose games for his team like this?

 

[shoelyesses]

Wait did shoelyesses just say these things

Stockton is the goat point guard

That Gasol was the MVP when the Lakers won a championship

That Kobe changed his number to "one up Jordan"......Who told you that Kanye?

If Stockton isn't in the conversations of greatest point guards, please tell me who is?

According to you since it's rings lol TP is easily better then him, isiah, gp, j Kidd. He basically 2nd to magic according to your ring logic.

And in those finals had their been no pau, lakers don't get the ring.

And it's pretty obvious, and even Kobe has admitted his goal is to one up MJ...

He just didn't out the blue up and random pick 24....if you believe that, your basic sense and reasoning is clearly off. Why do you think he is even still playing? Like I told the other guy, Kobe pretty much played his entire career, all to basically top the stats/rings that Jordan achieved.

He should've instead developed his own legacy, played to be best all around player he could be. And not limit or let one upping Jordan's stats be the focal point of his career. Cause as bad as you Kobe stans and even Kobe would like it to be true. He has not and will not be a better player then MJ.

 

[sea manup]

Wait did shoelyesses just say these things

Stockton is the goat point guard

That Gasol was the MVP when the Lakers won a championship

That Kobe changed his number to "one up Jordan"......Who told you that Kanye?

yeah i agree that even if he gets 7 jordan will still be considered the better basketball player. what im saying is one one hand we have someone like MJ who may or may not have had a set goal of x amount of points and x amount of chips, on the other hand we have kobe who says i want more rings than MJ. what im saying is, why is kobe's way of thinking considered a bad thing? i can see your point if it was scoring titles or something where kobe is out there not passing, not playing d and just scoring as much as he can while costing his team wins, but we're talking about championships here. you say that he should have developed his game rather than shooting for these numbers, but honestly what has kobe NOT done in terms of developing his game? in my opinion, skill wise and how he has taken care of his body over the years, kobe maximized his talent and potential and thats all that you can ask for in a player. just wondering, what aspects of his game would be better/how would he be more successful if he didnt care about these number goals?

yeah i agree that even if he gets 7 jordan will still be considered the better basketball player. what im saying is one one hand we have someone like MJ who may or may not have had a set goal of x amount of points and x amount of chips, on the other hand we have kobe who says i want more rings than MJ. what im saying is, why is kobe's way of thinking considered a bad thing? i can see your point if it was scoring titles or something where kobe is out there not passing, not playing d and just scoring as much as he can while costing his team wins, but we're talking about championships here. you say that he should have developed his game rather than shooting for these numbers, but honestly what has kobe NOT done in terms of developing his game? in my opinion, skill wise and how he has taken care of his body over the years, kobe maximized his talent and potential and thats all that you can ask for in a player. just wondering, what aspects of his game would be better/how would he be more successful if he didnt care about these number goals?

One his leadership ability along with doing what is in the best interest of the team... I think that one is pretty obvious. His ability to get others involved and make the players around him better. His court vision, in terms of passing and seeing defenses. Granted he could read coverages and defenses good, but much like Melo, it was solely to isolate himself and but him in a better position to score.

That's just off the top of my head. Again not saying he was horrible at any of these things, just not as good as MJ, and a few other players.

imo thats just the player/person he is, nothing to do with him wanting to get 7 championships seeing as all those are things he did work on and improve through out his career and one of the main reasons he won numbers 4 and 5. its kind of like how no matter what you say, you wont get jr smith to play like steve nash

 

[mister friendly]

What does this have to do with Basketball?


For all we know Lebron could be pulling an MC Hammer

Well, we know that he isn't pulling a hammer.

The question goes to Kobe's level of consciousness as both a player, and then person.

Kobe and LeBron had different upbringings, but I find it interesting that there is no news ever about Kobe's charitable, philanthropic, or even social concerns.


We all know that he shows up for Nike events, but really, who is this guy?

Outside of being a great ball player, the best in the world, I can give anyone at least four of five reasons as to why LeBron is a good guy.

With Kobe, the bad outweighs the good.

The latest?

Forcing his parents to issue an apology for how they handled the selling of the stuff, stuff that actually he gave his mother.

That was weird.

Dude you're reaching

Maybe Kobe does philanthropic work and he doesn't want it to be known, Maybe he doesn't.....who knows

Just because somebody does lets the world know about their philanthropic work, it doesn't mean they're a good guy, in my personal experiences, I've found alot of the opposite.

But what does this have to do with their Basketball abilities and legacies again?

 

[mister friendly]

Wait did shoelyesses just say these things

If Stockton isn't in the conversations of greatest point guards, please tell me who is?

According to you since it's rings lol TP is easily better then him, isiah, gp, j Kidd. He basically 2nd to magic according to your ring logic.

And in those finals had their been no pau, lakers don't get the ring.

And it's pretty obvious, and even Kobe has admitted his goal is to one up MJ...

He just didn't out the blue up and random pick 24....if you believe that, your basic sense and reasoning is clearly off. Why do you think he is even still playing? Like I told the other guy, Kobe pretty much played his entire career, all to basically top the stats/rings that Jordan achieved.

He should've instead developed his own legacy, played to be best all around player he could be. And not limit or let one upping Jordan's stats be the focal point of his career. Cause as bad as you Kobe stans and even Kobe would like it to be true. He has not and will not be a better player then MJ.

You didn't say Stockton is in the conversation.

You said " Stockton is regarded as the goat pg." as Magic or Oscar Roberston never existed.

Even if you break it down to just in the conversation, he isn't in the conversation for goat. Its Magic and that's it. Its like saying because Wade is the 3rd greatest shooting guard of all time that's he's in the conversation for goat.

Of course if Pau doesn't play the Lakers don't win the championship. If Wade doesn't play in this years Finals, the Heat dont win either but that doesnt mean hes the MVP.

You're reaching with the number, I think Kobe said he picked 24 because he was about the game 24 hours a day.

Its like saying Lebron picked 23 because he thought he was Jordan and changed to 6 when he discovered when he wasn't in Jordan's class. Its a reach or made up story

Have you ever thought he's still playing because he loves playing the NBA, he loves the competition, he loves the money etc etc. Doesn't almost every NBA player try to play til they're almost 40?

Where did I say Kobe will be better than Jordan?

 

[mister friendly]

Dude you're reaching


Maybe Kobe does philanthropic work and he doesn't want it to be known, Maybe he doesn't.....who knows


Just because somebody does lets the world know about their philanthropic work, it doesn't mean they're a good guy, in my personal experiences, I've found alot of the opposite.


But what does this have to do with their Basketball abilities and legacies again?

Reaching? Why do I have a distinct feeling, that you have no clue as to what reaching actually means, then are simply using it as some sort of catchphrase? It seems to be quid pro quo around here to transpose certain terms, just for arguments sake.

I'll give you an example of what it means to do something hip for charity, lending your name to a cause, in order to help lending to your legacy.

Magic used to have his thing, the Mid Summer Night's Dream many years ago, and it was hip. I think that it is pretty clear as to what Magic was about, and the love he receives, and then how that effects his legacy both on, and then off the court. Many still consider Buck to be the greatest Laker ever, largely due to his off court endeavors.

What has Kobe ever done?

Would you prefer me to say you're making up things?

I think saying you're reaching is a less rude way to say what you are doing.

Do you want me to refresh your memory and go into detail why some people may feel like Magic isn't a great person?

I prefer not to do that

Like I said not everybody wants their charity to be public, even if he doesn't do charity, does that mean he'd be a better person if he did

Again what does this have to with Basketball?

 

[acbboyz84]

Xtapo, cartune, back up SN in full effect.

 

[clyde the glide]

that kobe elbow mixtape is impressive stuff.  u know how hard it is to accurately punch or elbow someone in the face while trying to make an off balanced contested jump shot?  way more impressive than soap opera worthy acting performances.

seriously tho yall need lives.  its like certain s/n's r dedicated to hating bron/kobe and thats it u dont see them post about anything else 

 

[mister friendly]

Would you prefer me to say you're making up things?




Again what does this have to with Basketball?

Making things up?

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Stuff you made up off quick memory

You made a story about Kobe refusing to play for the Hornets

Then you made up, Lebron being a better person then Kobe, like they are your best friends and you can judge it

Then you made up, Kobe forcing his parents to make an apology.

You don't know all of the details of these things, so why make commentary about it?

You're basically just gossiping.

Have you ever thought not every Black person is on some Black Power thing like you seem to be.

Kobe didn't grow up in that community so why do expect him to be fully immersed in all things associated with it?

Again what does this have to do with Basketball?

 

[quik1987]

Op change the title to:

Defend Kobe's Honor Thread

 

[shoelyesses]

imo thats just the player/person he is, nothing to do with him wanting to get 7 championships seeing as all those are things he did work on and improve through out his career and one of the main reasons he won numbers 4 and 5. its kind of like how no matter what you say, you wont get jr smith to play like steve nash

Maybe but as we both agreed, and many others reluctantly do so, the stats aren't the only thing that solidified Jordan's greatness. All those other things amongst others are things in all honesty he has either improved slightly or not at all. At no point was he really a team player or leader, at no point was his goal was doing what's in the best interest of the team, he wasnt/isn't a great passer, nor a leader, or good at getting teammates involved, or bringing out the best in others or making them better. IMO Jordan also was a better defender.

And not to mention Jordan was easily the most dominant, best all around player for nearly a decade, whereas Kobe only stint was between the time Shaq and Duncan were beginning to decline, and before LeBron begin to take over the league.... Which is a couple of years, 5 years max.

 

[acbboyz84]

And he has every right to believe that. Because if it did again Russell>all and it isn't even close. And if rings mean the more impressive your career is then again Russell>all and it isn't even close. Stockton is regarded as the goat pg...So if another pg with atleast one ring who was a key player in getting a ring means he better then Stockton ala a Isiah Thomas....Or better yet Tony Parker

So by your accounts Tony Parker>Stockton, Isiah, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash so on and so forth. Or maybe your saying Tony Parker was some role player....

Maybe your saying Pau Gasol> Karl Malone, Barkley etc...or maybe Pau Gasol was just some random role player I guess. Even though in one of the championships he was arguably the mvp.

Shaq himself said and many agree that in terms of skill and just overall better player..Akeem, Wilt were better players. But let me guess they were just role player too?

Hell every player wants to win rings, but unlike Kobe he isn't playing solely to get enough rings as some measure stick to say this will make me better then MJ. Kobe sole purpose and only reason for playing is to get 6/7 rings....as if well atleast in his mind, and to a few foolish ppl will somehow make it Kobe>MJ. Which end of the day even if he gets 7 rings he still wouldn't have been the better player then Mj.

And him having 6/7 rings would be viewed the same way as how you look at Russell with his 11/13 rings...Yea he has more rings but MJ still is goat. The same way you see it for Russell ppl in large will see it for Kobe.

LeBron knows this so he is just out to be the best player he can be and, unlike Kobe, make his own mark in the game, not try to one up MJ, in hopes that will make him viewed as the GOAT.

And before you say it...Kobe is so fixated on one upping MJ that he even changed his number to one up of MJ, And is playing through injuries such as a bad hand, knees etc..all in a pursuit to one up MJ.

But end of the day, he still based on what he has done as a player, his talents and skillset, hasn't been nor will be better then MJ. Dude is just chasing a impossible goal.

So im not seeing your point...if its all about rings kobe will never be goat, if its about accomplishments outside of rings....then he will never be goat, and to be honest Jordan wouldn't be goat. If it is a combination of all those things....he still wouldn't be a goat.

And in all honesty, LeBron has a better chance, seeing that he is already a better overall player, is younger, in his prime, and more room to grow and improve as a player.

And this is why I think you Kobe fans are mad. Kobe is in a odd position, he wont reach the so call golden number of rings to make him a goat, he doesn't have enough individual accomplishments to make up for that fact, nor has he shown he is the best and most dominant overall player to be considered the goat. While as LeBron is showing many of these signs...be it skillset, talents, and individual accomplishments...and the only argument is rings, to which dude at best may only be reaching the halfway mark of his career, and has the possibility of getting those rings.

Its like I think deep down you guys. especially younger cats feel like kobe, that if somehow he can get a few more rings he will be regarded as goat. To which is lol. He is already one of the greatest of all time, but nothing he can do moving forward will supersede him past MJ? While LeBron is showing all the signs that he has the possibility to not only surpass Kobe overall in terms of accomplishments etc...better overall career, but the possibility to surpass even MJ and it burns your soul. You guys need to accept that and Kobe needs to accept that.

lmao you're reaching hard there dude. You're talking like you know every player and what their intention/goal are. lol You're full of * and you know it. You said Lebron isn't playing for x number of rings nor trying to up on anyone then pls tell me what is his purpose of leaving his team and join a superteam in his prime? Since you're a psychologist and you can read player mind. You said Kobe sole purpose of his career is to get to 7 and to up one on Jordan lol. sole purpose really? How do you know that? Did you read this off the internet? haha What if Kobe just want to get to 6 or be #1 in scoring list? What if he just want to play for his fans? How do you know for sure that Kobe always want to be better than Jordan? Did he tell you this or you read it off his mind? lol You're just making things up right now. Typical Lebron stan.


And again. I SAID CAREER. NOT INDIVIDUAL SKILL or ABILITY. PUT YOUR READING GLASS ON. LEBRON SAID PLAYER CAREER. Paul Gasol if you want to count success for career is better than Malone. Skillset and ability wise Malone is better. Tony career is better than Stockton. Skillwise is he better? i don't think so. They're close. We're talking career here. God Damn. Someone is either too slow or didn't read.

As far as Goat, it is a matter of opinion. Many people think MJ is goat while other think Kareem, Kobe, even Lebron as goat. And I already said Bill Russel wasn't mainly responsible for all his 11 rings so whether he's the greatest or not does not apply here. Bill Russell played in the little white men era. He wasn't even the most skilled offensive player neither so i don't think he's goat.

If Lebron want to win as many rings as possible then don't say dumb * like rings don't define player career. Don't say you're not after the rings when you're the ring chaser. He's a hypocrite. He look dumb. Came out and said he want 8 rings but then said rings don't define player career.

lol not many people would be mad even if Kobe retire today and not passing MJ in rings. He already had one hell of a career.

 

[shoelyesses]

You didn't say Stockton is in the conversation.

You said " Stockton is regarded as the goat pg." as Magic or Oscar Roberston never existed.

Even if you break it down to just in the conversation, he isn't in the conversation for goat. Its Magic and that's it. Its like saying because Wade is the 3rd greatest shooting guard of all time that's he's in the conversation for goat.

Of course if Pau doesn't play the Lakers don't win the championship. If Wade doesn't play in this years Finals, the Heat dont win either but that doesnt mean hes the MVP.

You're reaching with the number, I think Kobe said he picked 24 because he was about the game 24 hours a day.

Its like saying Lebron picked 23 because he thought he was Jordan and changed to 6 when he discovered when he wasn't in Jordan's class. Its a reach or made up story

Have you ever thought he's still playing because he loves playing the NBA, he loves the competition, he loves the money etc etc. Doesn't almost every NBA player try to play til they're almost 40?

Where did I say Kobe will be better than Jordan?

To ride Kobe so much you know very little, lol at him playing for the money. Dude sole purpose and only reason for still playing is to get a 6th and possible 7th ring. He isn't demanding trades, new coaches etc.... just cause he loves the game.

Jordan's comeback is an example of playing just for the love, mourning and hill miraculous comebacks were for the love of just playing the game.

And btw no, it isn't every player dream to play to 40. That doesn't even make sense. As if every player who enters the league all come up with this completely random age to which they will retire.

Most players play until they either they aren't the great player they once was, they can't make a solid contribution to a team, or injuries/father time catches up with them.

I'd bet everything if somehow he could get 1/2 rings etc... At the cost of the team declining/rebuilding ala the celtics. He would str8 up retire regardless if he was still a great player. Because his goal of one upping Jordan would be complete.

 

[mister friendly]

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You're making me

Come on dude! Try to have a serious conversation

How many people are going to turn down 30 million dollars to do something they love and that they are good at?

If his sole purpose was to get his 6th and 7th ring at all costs wouldn't he demand a trade to the Heat, Spurs, Pacers or Thunder?

Why would he say basically I'm a Laker for life now?

I said the age 40 because that seems to be the age that after which it is almost impossible to play in the NBA.

Juwan Howard
Steve Nash
Grant Hill
Jason Kidd
Marcus Camby
Rasheed Wallace
Derek Fisher
Jerry Stackhouse
Mike James
Ray Allen
Andre Miller
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Antawn Jamison
Chauncey Billups
Vince Carter
Pablo Prigioni
Manu Ginóbili
Nazr Mohammed
Jason Terry
Paul Pierce
Kenyon Martin

Why did all these players who are older than Kobe still play this past season?

I guess they are just playing for love, money or because they are great players but only Kobe is playing to "one up" Jordan

How foolish does that sound?

 

[shoelyesses]

You're making me

Come on dude! Try to have a serious conversation

How many people are going to turn down 30 million dollars to do something they love and that they are good at?

If his sole purpose was to get his 6th and 7th ring at all costs wouldn't he demand a trade to the Heat, Spurs, Pacers or Thunder?

Why would he say basically I'm a Laker for life now?

I said the age 40 because that seems to be the age that after which it is almost impossible to play in the NBA.

Juwan Howard
Steve Nash
Grant Hill
Jason Kidd
Marcus Camby
Rasheed Wallace
Derek Fisher
Jerry Stackhouse
Mike James
Ray Allen
Andre Miller
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Antawn Jamison
Chauncey Billups
Vince Carter
Pablo Prigioni
Manu Ginóbili
Nazr Mohammed
Jason Terry
Paul Pierce
Kenyon Martin

Why did all these players who are older than Kobe still play this past season?

I guess they are just playing for love, money or because they are great players but only Kobe is playing to "one up" Jordan

How foolish does that sound?

None of them are great players anymore nor are they even in the conversation of being goats....lol at juwan howard...really did the heat even make him a jersey, let along did he even play. Out of all those players mentioned which one has reporters, stans, etc...saying they have a shot at being a goat? Exactly....

As far as Kobe....he wouldn't just jump ship to join the heat etc...because one how could he be on any of those teams and still be the main focus guy? What legitimate team could Kobe go to that could possibly be in the conversation for a championship...in which Kobe would be the main focal point.

Kobe wants to be the main reason/key component of a championship team. Outside of the lakers where else could he go. Kobe isn't willing to compromise or take a backseat to anyone hence why Shaq left, And even Dwight is complaining and wanting a trade.

So if my point sounds so ridiculous please name me a team that kobe could be traded to or opt out to where he would be the main/centerpiece of the team that could win a chip? If Kobe was just playing for money...dude could easily play in his 40's maybe at a lesser role....but we all know that wont happen. So there goes your whole he would just play for the love of the game theory.

Even your example of players they all thought they could possibly help or contribute to a chance at a title...Difference Kobe he wants to be the reason they win a title...

The funniest and im still lol at Kobe would play second fiddle to anyone...Dude doesn't even acknowledge Dwight and doesn't even want to step to the side and let him be the man on the team.

Anyway you slice it Kobe will not has no shot of ever being the goat. Its even arguable he is the goat player of his own franchise. Even your money aspect is off...dude being retired with right moves etc...could make even more money by retiring.....

I doubt this dude seriously went thru knee surgery, and all he is doing to prepare for the next season on some...Man im trying to get that extra 30 million....Do you know how foolish this sounds. He isn't some crackhead....or some broke bum desperate or hurting for money. Kobe is faaaaaaaaaar from broke or strapped for cash. He isn't on some ai 2.0. This dude is playing and has a purpose...that far exceeds some silly 30 million dollars.

He is trying to get a ring. If he wasn't why is he even asking for trades and wanting new players and coaches? Why even make a hoopla big deal...or even be concerned with management and the players surrounding him? Last I checked who you play with has no bearings on your paycheck...Aint like if they didn't trade for Dwight, somehow he would've got a paycut, Btw he was one of the main ppl who wanted Dwight to come, along with cp3...which eventually ended up being nash, who wanted dantoni? Who wanted Phil to come back...hell it wasn't the lakers.

The funny thing is all you kobe stans get on Lebron for not wanting to win or get titles or w.e. bs it is...And that Kobe is all about the chips and being a champion, yet here I am saying the same thing...and your like oh nah...he isn't playing for a ring...hes playing for 30 million and just for the love of the game... Which one is it? Is he playing to win, playing for money, or just playing for the love?

 

[mister friendly]

You're basically just gossiping.


Again what does this have to do with Basketball?

The only person making things up on here, is you. You'll say anything in order to defend Kobe Bryant.

Let me ask you this, where is the Black community located? He sure seemed to what to know where it was, as soon as the rape trail went down. After that was over, he seemed to have forgotten the route again.

Don't worry, because the guy he learns from, Tiger Woods, doesn't even have a GPS.

So all those things you said are true?

So when the rape accusations came Kobe went to the Black community or whoever else to get emotional support?

I don't remember that. Can you refresh my memory with proof and not your usual gossip?

So Kobe learns stuff from Tiger? Thats funny I cant find one single quote from Kobe on Tiger or any photos of them together, if anything I'd say Tiger looks up to Kobe.

Do you realize not every person focuses on seeing the world in your own Afrocentric viewpoint?

Again what does this have to do with Basketball?

 

[shoelyesses]

lmao you're reaching hard there dude. You're talking like you know every player and what their intention/goal are. lol You're full of * and you know it. You said Lebron isn't playing for x number of rings nor trying to up on anyone then pls tell me what is his purpose of leaving his team and join a superteam in his prime? Since you're a psychologist and you can read player mind. You said Kobe sole purpose of his career is to get to 7 and to up one on Jordan lol. sole purpose really? How do you know that? Did you read this off the internet? haha What if Kobe just want to get to 6 or be #1 in scoring list? What if he just want to play for his fans? How do you know for sure that Kobe always want to be better than Jordan? Did he tell you this or you read it off his mind? lol You're just making things up right now. Typical Lebron stan.


And again. I SAID CAREER. NOT INDIVIDUAL SKILL or ABILITY. PUT YOUR READING GLASS ON. LEBRON SAID PLAYER CAREER. Paul Gasol if you want to count success for career is better than Malone. Skillset and ability wise Malone is better. Tony career is better than Stockton. Skillwise is he better? i don't think so. They're close. We're talking career here. God Damn. Someone is either too slow or didn't read.

As far as Goat, it is a matter of opinion. Many people think MJ is goat while other think Kareem, Kobe, even Lebron as goat. And I already said Bill Russel wasn't mainly responsible for all his 11 rings so whether he's the greatest or not does not apply here. Bill Russell played in the little white men era. He wasn't even the most skilled offensive player neither so i don't think he's goat.

If Lebron want to win as many rings as possible then don't say dumb * like rings don't define player career. Don't say you're not after the rings when you're the ring chaser. He's a hypocrite. He look dumb. Came out and said he want 8 rings but then said rings don't define player career.

lol not many people would be mad even if Kobe retire today and not passing MJ in rings. He already had one hell of a career.

Because he had no chance of winning anything in Cleveland...Um when the last time has any team in any sport substain any success for a extended period of time in Cleveland? Just because he wants to win doesn't mean he feels it will define who he is as a player. What it does means is ppl like yourself and others will define and judge him based on it.

No one wants to lose, why would he want to be the barry sanders of the nba? Why would anyone want to be? Im not even going to mention who putrid, badly run the cavs..hell any Cleveland team has been.

That's like saying oh if I quit working at a horrid place like walmart...then im money hungry and all that matters to me is money. Is it possible that I might not want to work at a dump like walmart? Hell one of my first jobs was mckie dees, im no longer there anymore....it isn't because I made my sole purpose in life to be the richest man in the world. It sucked..i worked hard and for little to nothing, and essentially him staying in Cleveland would result in the same ending (outside of money of course).

What I said was at this stage in Kobe career, he is trying to reach 6/7 rings. How is this not true. Dude aint just out there playing just cause lol.

And hell know tp career isn't better then stocktons...Stockton is regarded as a top 50 player of all time... TP wont even be mentioned as a top 100 all time...are you kidding me... Malone is a top 50 player...again will pau even be talked about 5/10 years from now....

Did you really say tony parker and pau gasol are top 50 players of alltime...really are you really gonna say that with a str8 face and honestly believe that? I mean they would have to be seeing as you said they had better careers, and those players are in fact top 50 players of all time.

As far as goat is concerned it is a pretty much a unanimous census its mj. hell the players you mentioned in conversation of goat say its mj... Yea its some few and far between ppl who may say a wilt a Russell a magic etc... But lets not act like 9/10 ppl wouldn't say mj. You making it out like mj isn't winning goat status by a landslide.

All of this is just frustrated talk...you love kobe, you want kobe, you want to be kobe... you want him to be goat status....he is not period.

He is a prolific, probably greatest/versatile individual scorer of all time (which he might lose that claim to fame to Durant), who at periods of his career was a top tierone on one defender, who made some unbelievable shots throughout his career. And earned 5 rings....etc...along with a few other accolades...Nothing more nothing less. Accept it for what it is.

 

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You're making me


Come on dude! Try to have a serious conversation


I guess they are just playing for love, money or because they are great players but only Kobe is playing to "one up" Jordan


How foolish does that sound?

None of them are great players anymore nor are they even in the conversation of being goats....lol at juwan howard...really did the heat even make him a jersey, let along did he even play. Out of all those players mentioned which one has reporters, stans, etc...saying they have a shot at being a goat? Exactly....

As far as Kobe....he wouldn't just jump ship to join the heat etc...because one how could he be on any of those teams and still be the main focus guy? What legitimate team could Kobe go to that could possibly be in the conversation for a championship...in which Kobe would be the main focal point.

Kobe wants to be the main reason/key component of a championship team. Outside of the lakers where else could he go. Kobe isn't willing to compromise or take a backseat to anyone hence why Shaq left, And even Dwight is complaining and wanting a trade.

So if my point sounds so ridiculous please name me a team that kobe could be traded to or opt out to where he would be the main/centerpiece of the team that could win a chip? If Kobe was just playing for money...dude could easily play in his 40's maybe at a lesser role....but we all know that wont happen. So there goes your whole he would just play for the love of the game theory.

Even your example of players they all thought they could possibly help or contribute to a chance at a title...Difference Kobe he wants to be the reason they win a title...

The funniest and im still lol at Kobe would play second fiddle to anyone...Dude doesn't even acknowledge Dwight and doesn't even want to step to the side and let him be the man on the team.

Anyway you slice it Kobe will not has no shot of ever being the goat. Its even arguable he is the goat player of his own franchise. Even your money aspect is off...dude being retired with right moves etc...could make even more money by retiring.....

I doubt this dude seriously went thru knee surgery, and all he is doing to prepare for the next season on some...Man im trying to get that extra 30 million....Do you know how foolish this sounds. He isn't some crackhead....or some broke bum desperate or hurting for money. Kobe is faaaaaaaaaar from broke or strapped for cash. He isn't on some ai 2.0. This dude is playing and has a purpose...that far exceeds some silly 30 million dollars.

He is trying to get a ring. If he wasn't why is he even asking for trades and wanting new players and coaches? Why even make a hoopla big deal...or even be concerned with management and the players surrounding him? Last I checked who you play with has no bearings on your paycheck...Aint like if they didn't trade for Dwight, somehow he would've got a paycut, Btw he was one of the main ppl who wanted Dwight to come, along with cp3...which eventually ended up being nash, who wanted dantoni? Who wanted Phil to come back...hell it wasn't the lakers.

The funny thing is all you kobe stans get on Lebron for not wanting to win or get titles or w.e. bs it is...And that Kobe is all about the chips and being a champion, yet here I am saying the same thing...and your like oh nah...he isn't playing for a ring...hes playing for 30 million and just for the love of the game... Which one is it? Is he playing to win, playing for money, or just playing for the love?

Doesn't look like you are trying too hard have a serious conversation. You had to be giggling when you wrote that.

You didn't say Kobe is still playing to be win championships in your original post. You said the only reason why Kobe is playing is to "one up" Jordan

I said have you ever thought "Have you ever thought he's still playing because he loves playing the NBA, he loves the competition, he loves the money etc etc. "

Trying to be a champion falls under loves the competition umbrella.

Where did I say I thought Kobe was better than Jordan? I'll wait

Silly 30 million dollars?!?. Who's going to turn down 30 million for doing something that you are great at and its all you've ever known?

 

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Phil Jackson making stuff up as well?

but they know more...after all he kicks it with the man on the reg. and has a intimate relationship that is much closer then phils...one that can only be rivaled by Vanessa.

 

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I said have you ever thought "Have you ever thought he's still playing because he loves playing the NBA, he loves the competition, he loves the money etc etc. "

Trying to be a champion falls under loves the competition umbrella
Silly 30 million dollars?!?. Who's going to turn down 30 million for doing something that you are great at and its all you've ever known?

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Phil Jackson making stuff up as well?
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So Kobe telling Jordan he could beat Jordan one on one when he was like 21 means that the only reason Kobe at age 35 continues to play in the NBA is to "one up Jordan"?