Lebron James: Art of Passing

[ill steelo]

Being good doesn't mean you shouldn't play smart. Are you really saying that Lebron forcing up a shot under pressure is better than feeding it to an open player? If you're being doubled or another player has a better look, it doesn't matter if you're Lebron or MJ, you pass the ball. It's called basketball IQ.

no, you dont pass up the ball in crunch situations

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And several more.

So, no. you don't force up a shot in "crunch situations"

You make the correct play.

 

[thegoldenchild]

skip to 8:30

skip to 5:15


skip to 4:45

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And several more.
So, no. you don't force up a shot in "crunch situations"
You make the correct play.

so based on a handful of video's you showed, i should be convinced? please... we both know that both jordan and kobe have forced more shots at the end of games, because you trust their own skills and ability more so, than that of any teammates.. you'd rather have your superstar make the right play, passing to someone else, who is less skilled, than have your superstar take the last shot? even if it is a forced shot? besides any shot that can win a game in crunch time will be forced, rarely a superstar will be open to take the shot.. (except vince carter against the clippers)..

 

[wavy bone]

Yeah you can't really pull that card w/ Lebron anymore. The only time last year where he made me scratch my head in a late game situation was when he had Rondo at the top of the key iso'd and pulled up for a 20 foot jumpshot for the game winner. Other than that...he's been a savage in the crunch.

 

[JD617]

so based on a handful of video's you showed, i should be convinced? please... we both know that both jordan and kobe have forced more shots at the end of games, because you trust their own skills and ability more so, than that of any teammates.. you'd rather have your superstar make the right play, passing to someone else, who is less skilled, than have your superstar take the last shot? even if it is a forced shot? besides any shot that can win a game in crunch time will be forced, rarely a superstar will be open to take the shot.. (except vince carter against the clippers)..

Not sure why you turned the thread into this but please read this.

Cliffnotes:

In those early years with the Suns, Barr had seen what John Wooden, Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson all preached: Going one-on-one, without the benefit of passing or other team actions, is seldom effective. Pick-and-rolls, cuts, coming off screens all deliver more points per possession. "Open looks," Barr says. "That's what it's all about." And over the years, as Synergy grew and its metrics became more complex, what Barr found only served to confirm his suspicions.

Start with the basics. The goal of basketball, in its simplest form, is to turn possessions into points. And on that basis, when Synergy began breaking down NBA plays by type in 2004, what it found would have made Wooden smile: Plays involving off-the-ball cuts (1.18 points per possession) and transition plays (1.12 ppp) are by far the most efficient, followed by putbacks (1.04 ppp) and pick-and-rolls in which the ball reaches the hands of the rolling man (0.97 ppp). And the least efficient? Isolation plays, good for only 0.78 points per possession.

Perhaps as a result of that dismal track record, of the 10 play types Synergy identified, isos are only the fourth most frequently run, accounting for just 12% of all plays in an average game. But in crunch time (defined by Synergy as the last five minutes of regulation and close overtime situations), their usage rose to 19 percent, second highest behind spot-up plays.

There was more. The stats revealed that when a player passes out of an iso, his team's points per possession rise from that woeful 0.78 to a more tolerable 0.93. Despite that, players pass out of isos only 20 percent of the time -- and only 16 percent during crunch time. If that player is the team's top iso threat, the number drops to 12 percent.

There it was, right before Barr's eyes: Go-to scorers in crunch time who are isolated against one or more defenders -- the very definition of hero ball -- almost never give up the basketball even though they are, in that moment, the least effective scorers on the court.

 

[ill steelo]

so based on a handful of video's you showed, i should be convinced?

Convinced of what? Making the correct basketball play?

No, having a basic understanding of the game should convince you.

But you clearly don't have that.

Penalizing any player for passing to a wide open shooter is comical.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I hate how "hero ball" is viewed by most as the right thing to do. The point of an offensive possession is to get the best possible shot. The shot with the highest probability of going in.

So that means you want your best shooters (location specific) to take the least contested shots.

Why on god's green earth do people INSIST that "superstars" are supposed to take highly contested shots to prove anything. If I am coaching LeBronze and he passes up a contested mid range jumper to Booby Gibson for a spot up, wide open 3, I would praise him 1000 times for making that play.

 

[thegoldenchild]

Not sure why you turned the thread into this but please read this.

Cliffnotes:

that is all cool that you copied that story, but it's 'hero ball" that made jordan who he is.. for taking the big shots, and ending games in spectacular fashion..

all im saying is that, some say lebron is so amazing and he's the best passer and blablabla.. yet, he at times his passing and his passive tendencies are a negative thing, instead of one of his strengths.. and his unselfishness is at times a bad thing, to the point that lebron should be more selfish and should take the game winning shot, instead of making the right basketball play.

 

[JD617]

Okay.

 

[acbboyz84]

Just because Kobe doesnt pass the ball doesnt make the assist overrated. Go back to the Kobe threads so you can continue slopping on Kobes Black Mamba.

You can't deny the truth that regardless of how nice of a pass or how many time you pass. If your teammate don't make the shot you won't get the assist.

Assist = Most overblown stat in basketball. Same with FG%

Lebron is good. His stats is overblown and he's one of the biggest stat padding star in the league right now. Dude is afraid to take the last shot or far range shot because he scare it might hurt his stat lol

Durant, Kobe, Melo, Dirk don't care about stat. They will not shy away from taking a tough shot

 

[acbboyz84]

that is all cool that you copied that story, but it's 'hero ball" that made jordan who he is.. for taking the big shots, and ending games in spectacular fashion..
all im saying is that, some say lebron is so amazing and he's the best passer and blablabla.. yet, he at times his passing and his passive tendencies are a negative thing, instead of one of his strengths.. and his unselfishness is at times a bad thing, to the point that lebron should be more selfish and should take the game winning shot, instead of making the right basketball play.

Lebron scare to take the shot because he fear it will hurt his stat

Out of all the top 5 perimeter in the game right now. Lebron is the only dude who doesn't take last shot often

 

[acbboyz84]

If you put Lebron in a team with no shooters he won't average 8 assist a game lol

Notice how all of his teams have great to excellent 3 point shooters

Assist = Misleading

 

[maxelite]

Please God make it stop

 

[Kimchi Papi]

If you put Lebron in a team with no shooters he won't average 8 assist a game lol

Notice how all of his teams have great to excellent 3 point shooters

Assist = Misleading

Ayo, can someone tell John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson, Magic Johnson, & Steve Nash their careers really didn't matter?

 

[big j 33]

ACBboyz and TheGoldenChild are both making strong cases for the title "I have terrible opinions on basketball"

 

[big j 33]

I hope he wasn't being serious with the realization that Lebron has good 3 point shooters on his teams... MOST teams will try to get good shooters, ya know.. Since they help win basketball games

 

[runningfishy]

Assist comes with context.

But putting up 20-30 point is no BS!

That fisher vid was the last time he smiled. LOLZ

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Your hero ball thing would have a point if Bron was playing with jv high school players...but he is not. He is playing in the NBA with the worlds best basketball players. These guys are all tremendously good at what they do. The biggest scrub in the league is outstanding at what he does. So an open shot from one of these guys will always be better than a contested shot.

 

[al3xis]

Joel Anthony blows at least 2 layups/passes for a dunk a game, so things even out.

 

[oneforall]

Yeah you can't really pull that card w/ Lebron anymore. The only time last year where he made me scratch my head in a late game situation was when he had Rondo at the top of the key iso'd and pulled up for a 20 foot jumpshot for the game winner. Other than that...he's been a savage in the crunch.

Also that one iso on Gasol in the olympic Final where he pulled for three but he was beast at the end of that game so that's forgiven.

 

[big j 33]

Assist comes with context.

But putting up 20-30 point is no BS!

That fisher vid was the last time he smiled. LOLZ

Points comes with context too. You can score 20 points but do it inefficiently.

 

[rolaholic]

 

[jjs07]

Points comes with context too. You can score 20 points but do it inefficiently.

Jordan Crawford, Mike Beasley, and Carmelo Anthony come to mind....

 

[nationaltruckerdave]

Your hero ball thing would have a point if Bron was playing with jv high school players...but he is not. He is playing in the NBA with the worlds best basketball players. These guys are all tremendously good at what they do. The biggest scrub in the league is outstanding at what he does. So an open shot from one of these guys will always be better than a contested shot.

Don't waste your breath, those laker fans are too dumb to understand this.. They just mad that LeBron is better than Kobe and that makes them insecure

 

[acbboyz84]

Ayo, can someone tell John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson, Magic Johnson, & Steve Nash their careers really didn't matter?

You can't control your teammate ability to make their shot. Your pass only count if they make their bucket. You can't deny that lol

 

[wavy bone]

You can't control your teammate ability to make their shot. Your pass only count if they make their bucket. You can't deny that lol