let this thread die (NYK)

Originally Posted by gregzzy23

Tom Thibodeaus contract is up after this year...he has ties to the Knicks...I think Mike Francesa mentioned his contract was a money issue.

I have 2 words for that: BLANK CHECK
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The amount of trolling that would happen if we took that dude away from them
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I doubt it happens, though. Dude's in a great position with a roster that compliments his style well. Throw in a 2 guard and keep the black ice away from Boozer and they'll win a couple of rings.

If we can't get Doc, personally, I'd hope we bring in an up and comer. Would be nice to have our own Scotty Brooks or Erik Spolestra instead of the many retreads (cough Flip Saunders).
 
I'd rather just snatch a top discipline from another coach....someone that can provide us with longevity if they do well.
 
Read this.

Spoiler [+]
In college basketball, the best athletic directors keep with them a list of the top coaching candidates for their teams so that they are immediately prepared to move if one of their coaches leaves suddenly.

NBA general managers and team owners, however, rarely prepare that way. So we begin the speculation on who will succeed Mike D'Antoni, who resigned from the New York Knicks on Wednesday, with two men who have established iconic brands in their professions.

Is the timing right for Phil Jackson or John Calipari to take the reins of a talented, yet underachieving team like the Knicks? Here's a look at how each coach would fit in.
[h3]Phil Jackson[/h3]
First off, let us dispel one longtime myth about Jackson: He used the triangle offense as coach of the Los Angeles Lakers.

Everyone believes he ran his triangle offense to perfection as the Lakers' coach, but that simply isn't true. Indeed, it was the foundation for the offense. But just watch every shot Kobe Bryant took as a Laker in the seasons Jackson was his coach and you'll see how often he earned his shot outside the offense, not through it. When your best player and leading scorer -- and by far your highest usage player -- is not running the offense, then neither is your team.

This is important to note, as Carmelo Anthony was once one of the top one-on-one players in the league, and should be again, so his presence does not mean Jackson couldn't install the triangle as New York's base set. And in surveying the Knicks' current roster, there are some pieces that can fit very nicely into what Jackson likes to do on offense.

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Andrew D. Bernstein/NBAE/Getty ImagesJackson would likely be able to make a triangle-based offense work with Carmelo Anthony.

Perhaps the most vital part of the triangle is the way it uses a team's big men, often having them hug the rim as a possession evolves. That area is the most important real estate on the court, and when two big guys who can catch, score and rebound are near the rim and ready to make a play, it is often devastating to the defense. We hear about teams needing players to stretch the floor behind the 3-point line, but that stretching works on both ends, and the triangle does exactly that with its positioning of big men.

The Knicks, with Tyson Chandler and Amare Stoudemire, have two excellent bigs who could excel in a triangle-based offense. In fact, I'd argue that it would help Stoudemire's game immensely, forcing him to engage more inside instead of floating on the perimeter. Chandler, too, would benefit and conceivably have his best offensive season in that system.

However, the roster still would need some major adjustments, and Jackson would have to be assured those changes would be made. Jeremy Lin is the worst fit for what Jackson would want to do, as Jackson loathes turning the offense over to any one point guard. Lin is still very young, inexperienced and turnover-prone. That doesn't mean Lin is a goner if Jackson gets hired, but his abilities clearly wouldn't mesh well with Jackson's offensive vision.

Jackson also has had to deal with age and health issues recently, so it's hard to imagine Jackson wanting to take on a team that is so clearly not in the top two in the Eastern Conference. And, without some tweaks to the roster, even Jackson would struggle to get New York contending for a title. Which is why it makes sense for him to wait and see how the spring and summer develop in New York.
[h3]John Calipari[/h3]
Calipari loves to run the dribble-drive offense, but that would not work in the NBA. However, Calipari epitomizes the term "coach" in the best sense, meaning he can adapt his schemes and strategies to his personnel. He's a teacher and very much a defensive-minded one, so this Knicks roster must have some appeal to him.

That sounds strange considering the abhorrent defense the team has played lately, but remember just a few weeks ago this team was ranked seventh in the league in defensive efficiency. By stressing D (something D'Antoni did not), Calipari could easily get this Knicks team to be one of the five best defenses in the league, which would almost certainly make them a solid playoff team.

[+] Enlarge

Nathaniel S. Butler/NBAE/Getty ImagesTyson Chandler would be a great asset on defense for John Calipari.

Chandler's paint presence, Iman Shumpert's potential as a defensive specialist and Lin's aggressiveness at the point are all good starting points for a defensive-oriented team. Calipari is a motivator with real credibility as a coach, so it's likely that he could get Stoudemire and Anthony -- already somewhat humbled by their failures in New York -- to lock in on that end of the floor.

There is no shortage of offenses that Calipari could install with the current roster, including using his own hybrid system of the "dribble drive." Far more important than strategy and scheme would be the spirit he'd try to instill into each player. As evidenced by his recruiting and coaching success, Calipari is a master of this. The Knicks' current lack of motivation and spirit is obvious. But coaching begins with inspiration and belief, and that would be Calipari's No. 1 aim -- to make the Knicks believe they can be champions.

Of course, inspiring people means selling an idea to people. The NBA is rapidly becoming more like college basketball in that recruiting talent is a big part of the job. One look at Kentucky's roster every season tells us there is no one better than Calipari at convincing players that they can be part of something special -- if they join him. In the NBA, he'd be making the same pitch each offseason. With his connections to current players and agents, it's likely he'd be very successful in helping build a more talented Knicks roster.

However, the Knicks job comes with risk for any college coach. One needs only to look back to when Calipari's current in-state rival, Louisville's Rick Pitino, coached the Knicks. Calipari is very similar to Pitino and South Carolina football coach Steve Spurrier -- men who helped revolutionize their sports in college before trying to do the same at the next level. Both were unable to and eventually returned to the college ranks. Calipari himself tasted the NBA years ago with the New Jersey Nets and returned to college. It's easy to envision Calipari coaching in the NBA again, but not before his son finishes high school or until he leads Kentucky to at least one NCAA title.

Jackson and Calipari have the experience and talent to turn the moribund Knicks into potential winners. The risks are there, however, so it could take a lot for either man to decide to step in as the next New York coach.
 
Here's a question -- why should Patrick Ewing not be a candidate?

Top 50 player of All time, perhaps the best Knick of all-time
5+ years as an assistant
Values defense
Commands respect
Would fans actually not welcome him back?
..and the only success this franchise has had in 35 years is with him as the center-piece of it?
He's at least owed an interview. 
 
I don't want to see Ewing get destroyed by the media and fans again. I don't think I could take it
 
My love of Patrick probably made me biased.. but I've wanted that for awhile.

He should be at least a candidate or considered. Worse coaches have gotten chances, he's earned it.
 
Originally Posted by shatterkneesinc

Originally Posted by RavageBX

SAS likes to be able to say I told you so. How is he any different from a few heads in this thread who have basically cheered for Melo to fail so they can say I told you so? They all want the Knicks to win, but if that's not happening they find a "winning" feeling in being right about why we're losing lol. Typical Knicks fan isht.
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its a race thing 
SAS dont want to see a non black minority take the spot light at the expense of a black person

smith has no reason to hate on lin but he constantly does it, and time and time again he brings up lin's weaknesses or bad night to make melo look good....and he was clearly the only knicks fan to not be happy with linsanity stint.  

yes sas is sometimes critical of melo but he does it in an endearing way










melo haters arent fueled by race, its the fact that melos been playing like garbage and hes the so called super star of the team

no one blames melo for lin not playing well but seems like there are more melo lovers who blame lin for melo not playing well. that what exactly SAS is
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Yeah I'm just going to pretend you didn't say any of that.
 
Originally Posted by Proshares

Read this.

Spoiler [+]
In college basketball, the best athletic directors keep with them a list of the top coaching candidates for their teams so that they are immediately prepared to move if one of their coaches leaves suddenly.

NBA general managers and team owners, however, rarely prepare that way. So we begin the speculation on who will succeed Mike D'Antoni, who resigned from the New York Knicks on Wednesday, with two men who have established iconic brands in their professions.

Is the timing right for Phil Jackson or John Calipari to take the reins of a talented, yet underachieving team like the Knicks? Here's a look at how each coach would fit in.
[h3]Phil Jackson[/h3]
First off, let us dispel one longtime myth about Jackson: He used the triangle offense as coach of the Los Angeles Lakers.

Everyone believes he ran his triangle offense to perfection as the Lakers' coach, but that simply isn't true. Indeed, it was the foundation for the offense. But just watch every shot Kobe Bryant took as a Laker in the seasons Jackson was his coach and you'll see how often he earned his shot outside the offense, not through it. When your best player and leading scorer -- and by far your highest usage player -- is not running the offense, then neither is your team.

This is important to note, as Carmelo Anthony was once one of the top one-on-one players in the league, and should be again, so his presence does not mean Jackson couldn't install the triangle as New York's base set. And in surveying the Knicks' current roster, there are some pieces that can fit very nicely into what Jackson likes to do on offense.

[+] Enlarge

Andrew D. Bernstein/NBAE/Getty ImagesJackson would likely be able to make a triangle-based offense work with Carmelo Anthony.

Perhaps the most vital part of the triangle is the way it uses a team's big men, often having them hug the rim as a possession evolves. That area is the most important real estate on the court, and when two big guys who can catch, score and rebound are near the rim and ready to make a play, it is often devastating to the defense. We hear about teams needing players to stretch the floor behind the 3-point line, but that stretching works on both ends, and the triangle does exactly that with its positioning of big men.

The Knicks, with Tyson Chandler and Amare Stoudemire, have two excellent bigs who could excel in a triangle-based offense. In fact, I'd argue that it would help Stoudemire's game immensely, forcing him to engage more inside instead of floating on the perimeter. Chandler, too, would benefit and conceivably have his best offensive season in that system.

However, the roster still would need some major adjustments, and Jackson would have to be assured those changes would be made. Jeremy Lin is the worst fit for what Jackson would want to do, as Jackson loathes turning the offense over to any one point guard. Lin is still very young, inexperienced and turnover-prone. That doesn't mean Lin is a goner if Jackson gets hired, but his abilities clearly wouldn't mesh well with Jackson's offensive vision.

Jackson also has had to deal with age and health issues recently, so it's hard to imagine Jackson wanting to take on a team that is so clearly not in the top two in the Eastern Conference. And, without some tweaks to the roster, even Jackson would struggle to get New York contending for a title. Which is why it makes sense for him to wait and see how the spring and summer develop in New York.
[h3]John Calipari[/h3]
Calipari loves to run the dribble-drive offense, but that would not work in the NBA. However, Calipari epitomizes the term "coach" in the best sense, meaning he can adapt his schemes and strategies to his personnel. He's a teacher and very much a defensive-minded one, so this Knicks roster must have some appeal to him.

That sounds strange considering the abhorrent defense the team has played lately, but remember just a few weeks ago this team was ranked seventh in the league in defensive efficiency. By stressing D (something D'Antoni did not), Calipari could easily get this Knicks team to be one of the five best defenses in the league, which would almost certainly make them a solid playoff team.

[+] Enlarge

Nathaniel S. Butler/NBAE/Getty ImagesTyson Chandler would be a great asset on defense for John Calipari.

Chandler's paint presence, Iman Shumpert's potential as a defensive specialist and Lin's aggressiveness at the point are all good starting points for a defensive-oriented team. Calipari is a motivator with real credibility as a coach, so it's likely that he could get Stoudemire and Anthony -- already somewhat humbled by their failures in New York -- to lock in on that end of the floor.

There is no shortage of offenses that Calipari could install with the current roster, including using his own hybrid system of the "dribble drive." Far more important than strategy and scheme would be the spirit he'd try to instill into each player. As evidenced by his recruiting and coaching success, Calipari is a master of this. The Knicks' current lack of motivation and spirit is obvious. But coaching begins with inspiration and belief, and that would be Calipari's No. 1 aim -- to make the Knicks believe they can be champions.

Of course, inspiring people means selling an idea to people. The NBA is rapidly becoming more like college basketball in that recruiting talent is a big part of the job. One look at Kentucky's roster every season tells us there is no one better than Calipari at convincing players that they can be part of something special -- if they join him. In the NBA, he'd be making the same pitch each offseason. With his connections to current players and agents, it's likely he'd be very successful in helping build a more talented Knicks roster.

However, the Knicks job comes with risk for any college coach. One needs only to look back to when Calipari's current in-state rival, Louisville's Rick Pitino, coached the Knicks. Calipari is very similar to Pitino and South Carolina football coach Steve Spurrier -- men who helped revolutionize their sports in college before trying to do the same at the next level. Both were unable to and eventually returned to the college ranks. Calipari himself tasted the NBA years ago with the New Jersey Nets and returned to college. It's easy to envision Calipari coaching in the NBA again, but not before his son finishes high school or until he leads Kentucky to at least one NCAA title.

Jackson and Calipari have the experience and talent to turn the moribund Knicks into potential winners. The risks are there, however, so it could take a lot for either man to decide to step in as the next New York coach.
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if john calipari becomes head coach of the knicks, I don't think i can be a knick fan anymore 
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....I would be very furious as hell...You think THEGR8 had angry long rants about the NYK?!! Ha...if this were to happen, psss.....after that, the knicks don't exist to me anymore lol
 
TD seems to be a good guy and has remained positive and supportive despite losing minutes.. No sense in giving him away for a 2nd rounder.
 
Originally Posted by gregzzy23

Tom Thibodeaus contract is up after this year...he has ties to the Knicks...I think Mike Francesa mentioned his contract was a money issue.

I have 2 words for that: BLANK CHECK
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that movie was awful
 
Originally Posted by pr0phecy718

Originally Posted by Proshares

Read this.

Spoiler [+]
In college basketball, the best athletic directors keep with them a list of the top coaching candidates for their teams so that they are immediately prepared to move if one of their coaches leaves suddenly.

NBA general managers and team owners, however, rarely prepare that way. So we begin the speculation on who will succeed Mike D'Antoni, who resigned from the New York Knicks on Wednesday, with two men who have established iconic brands in their professions.

Is the timing right for Phil Jackson or John Calipari to take the reins of a talented, yet underachieving team like the Knicks? Here's a look at how each coach would fit in.
[h3]Phil Jackson[/h3]
First off, let us dispel one longtime myth about Jackson: He used the triangle offense as coach of the Los Angeles Lakers.

Everyone believes he ran his triangle offense to perfection as the Lakers' coach, but that simply isn't true. Indeed, it was the foundation for the offense. But just watch every shot Kobe Bryant took as a Laker in the seasons Jackson was his coach and you'll see how often he earned his shot outside the offense, not through it. When your best player and leading scorer -- and by far your highest usage player -- is not running the offense, then neither is your team.

This is important to note, as Carmelo Anthony was once one of the top one-on-one players in the league, and should be again, so his presence does not mean Jackson couldn't install the triangle as New York's base set. And in surveying the Knicks' current roster, there are some pieces that can fit very nicely into what Jackson likes to do on offense.

[+] Enlarge

Andrew D. Bernstein/NBAE/Getty ImagesJackson would likely be able to make a triangle-based offense work with Carmelo Anthony.

Perhaps the most vital part of the triangle is the way it uses a team's big men, often having them hug the rim as a possession evolves. That area is the most important real estate on the court, and when two big guys who can catch, score and rebound are near the rim and ready to make a play, it is often devastating to the defense. We hear about teams needing players to stretch the floor behind the 3-point line, but that stretching works on both ends, and the triangle does exactly that with its positioning of big men.

The Knicks, with Tyson Chandler and Amare Stoudemire, have two excellent bigs who could excel in a triangle-based offense. In fact, I'd argue that it would help Stoudemire's game immensely, forcing him to engage more inside instead of floating on the perimeter. Chandler, too, would benefit and conceivably have his best offensive season in that system.

However, the roster still would need some major adjustments, and Jackson would have to be assured those changes would be made. Jeremy Lin is the worst fit for what Jackson would want to do, as Jackson loathes turning the offense over to any one point guard. Lin is still very young, inexperienced and turnover-prone. That doesn't mean Lin is a goner if Jackson gets hired, but his abilities clearly wouldn't mesh well with Jackson's offensive vision.

Jackson also has had to deal with age and health issues recently, so it's hard to imagine Jackson wanting to take on a team that is so clearly not in the top two in the Eastern Conference. And, without some tweaks to the roster, even Jackson would struggle to get New York contending for a title. Which is why it makes sense for him to wait and see how the spring and summer develop in New York.
[h3]John Calipari[/h3]
Calipari loves to run the dribble-drive offense, but that would not work in the NBA. However, Calipari epitomizes the term "coach" in the best sense, meaning he can adapt his schemes and strategies to his personnel. He's a teacher and very much a defensive-minded one, so this Knicks roster must have some appeal to him.

That sounds strange considering the abhorrent defense the team has played lately, but remember just a few weeks ago this team was ranked seventh in the league in defensive efficiency. By stressing D (something D'Antoni did not), Calipari could easily get this Knicks team to be one of the five best defenses in the league, which would almost certainly make them a solid playoff team.

[+] Enlarge

Nathaniel S. Butler/NBAE/Getty ImagesTyson Chandler would be a great asset on defense for John Calipari.

Chandler's paint presence, Iman Shumpert's potential as a defensive specialist and Lin's aggressiveness at the point are all good starting points for a defensive-oriented team. Calipari is a motivator with real credibility as a coach, so it's likely that he could get Stoudemire and Anthony -- already somewhat humbled by their failures in New York -- to lock in on that end of the floor.

There is no shortage of offenses that Calipari could install with the current roster, including using his own hybrid system of the "dribble drive." Far more important than strategy and scheme would be the spirit he'd try to instill into each player. As evidenced by his recruiting and coaching success, Calipari is a master of this. The Knicks' current lack of motivation and spirit is obvious. But coaching begins with inspiration and belief, and that would be Calipari's No. 1 aim -- to make the Knicks believe they can be champions.

Of course, inspiring people means selling an idea to people. The NBA is rapidly becoming more like college basketball in that recruiting talent is a big part of the job. One look at Kentucky's roster every season tells us there is no one better than Calipari at convincing players that they can be part of something special -- if they join him. In the NBA, he'd be making the same pitch each offseason. With his connections to current players and agents, it's likely he'd be very successful in helping build a more talented Knicks roster.

However, the Knicks job comes with risk for any college coach. One needs only to look back to when Calipari's current in-state rival, Louisville's Rick Pitino, coached the Knicks. Calipari is very similar to Pitino and South Carolina football coach Steve Spurrier -- men who helped revolutionize their sports in college before trying to do the same at the next level. Both were unable to and eventually returned to the college ranks. Calipari himself tasted the NBA years ago with the New Jersey Nets and returned to college. It's easy to envision Calipari coaching in the NBA again, but not before his son finishes high school or until he leads Kentucky to at least one NCAA title.

Jackson and Calipari have the experience and talent to turn the moribund Knicks into potential winners. The risks are there, however, so it could take a lot for either man to decide to step in as the next New York coach.
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if john calipari becomes head coach of the knicks, I don't think i can be a knick fan anymore 
indifferent.gif
....I would be very furious as hell...You think THEGR8 had angry long rants about the NYK?!! Ha...if this were to happen, psss.....after that, the knicks don't exist to me anymore lol
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I agree. He might be the only coach i hate as much as pringles and isiah
 
Damn yall really going hard on the new coach posts.

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@ us not trading Walker or TD.

What were the trade rumors for moving Landry? or was it just "the Knicks are shopping Landry"?

James needs to promote my man Houston to GM and make our Pres of Operations official by the summer.
 
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