LOCK IT UP - College Football - 2009 Season/2010 Off-Season

[ddot7]

Main Entry: de·flect
Pronunciation: \di-ˈflekt, dē-\
Function: verb
Etymology: Latin deflectere to bend down, turn aside, from de- + flectere to bend
Date: circa 1555
transitive verb

4.deflect - draw someone's attention away from something; "The thief distracted the bystanders"; "He deflected his competitors"
distract

 

[bigmike23]

 

[p mac one]

Originally Posted by ddot7

Main Entry: de·flect
Pronunciation: \di-ˈflekt, dē-\
Function: verb
Etymology: Latin deflectere to bend down, turn aside, from de- + flectere to bend
Date: circa 1555
transitive verb

4.deflect - draw someone's attention away from something; "The thief distracted the bystanders"; "He deflected his competitors"
distract

 

[gunna get it]

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Meh.

That Florida news is nothing. At most they'll just have to vacate the Sugar Bowl win.

 

[gunna get it]

Rome names final two. UGA & Bama.

 

[ooiron manoo]

That Florida news is nothing. At most they'll just have to vacate the Sugar Bowl win.
That's what all of us USC fans were saying.

With the way they punched us in the gut, the NCAA COI set a precedent.

Remember, it took ONE player (Bush) to take us down.  These programs are getting in trouble because of ONE player.

If they don't tag Florida with these allegations, remember with Bush they went of allegations not concrete evidence, the NCAA will get blasted.

 

[bigmike23]

Florida self-reported there problem tho

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

The Bush situation and the Pouncey situation are not at all similar though.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by dreClark

The Bush situation and the Pouncey situation are not at all similar though.

Meh but with the severity of the punishment on SC if all UF has to do is vacate ONE win the NCAA is gonna get criticized for playing favorites.

There's no question the SC ruling was excessive and done for shock and awe, but if they choose now to ignore the precedent they set with that...

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Why would they get punished criticized for punishing two very different crimes two different ways?

 

[ddot7]

I would have no problems with Florida getting hit hard but I've gotta agree that the two situations are not the same based on the information available.

 

[gunna get it]

LMAO USC fans.

dude, a guy taking money from an agent before the bowl game is different from 3 yrs of hundreds of thousands of dollars and free housing.

are yall really trying to say all things are equal in these two cases?

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

LMAO USC fans.

dude, a guy taking money from an agent before the bowl game is different from 3 yrs of hundreds of thousands of dollars and free housing.

are yall really trying to say all things are equal in these two cases?

no, i dont expect (uf for example) to be punished as severely as usc was.  they were different situations, but both involved a player accepting money, and a substantial amount of money at that.  this is one of the chief "evils" the ncaa is trying to curb.

there really was no prior precedent for the way usc was punished (no explanation of the criteria used to determine why this punishment was adequate) and no real proof that they were even involved in the bush situation. they were punished, essentially, for failing to police their athlete.

if a uf player did in fact accept a substantial amount of money (a decision that can be argued to have affected his decision to bypass his senior year and even which agent to sign with) and all uf has to do is vacate one win, you don't think usc and every other school that has a gripe with the punishments handed down to them are gonna be up in arms and arguing there was unequal treatment?

 

[bigmike23]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT


dude, a guy taking money from an agent before the bowl game is different from 3 yrs of hundreds of thousands of dollars and free housing.

thats the key point

and its just like OU on got in trouble for one season when there QB took money. Bush took money for 3 years not just 1.

 

[gunna get it]

Buddy, there are previous precedents of schools forfeiting the one game an "ineligble" player played in.

the two situations are not remotely similar. sorry

 

[ddot7]

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

LMAO USC fans.

dude, a guy taking money from an agent before the bowl game is different from 3 yrs of hundreds of thousands of dollars and free housing.

are yall really trying to say all things are equal in these two cases?

no, i dont expect (uf for example) to be punished as severely as usc was.  they were different situations, but both involved a player accepting money, and a substantial amount of money at that.  this is one of the chief "evils" the ncaa is trying to curb.

there really was no prior precedent for the way usc was punished (no explanation of the criteria used to determine why this punishment was adequate) and no real proof that they were even involved in the bush situation. they were punished, essentially, for failing to police their athlete.

if a uf player did in fact accept a substantial amount of money (a decision that can be argued to have affected his decision to bypass his senior year and even which agent to sign with) and all uf has to do is vacate one win, you don't think usc and every other school that has a gripe with the punishments handed down to them are gonna be up in arms and arguing there was unequal treatment?

Umm...based on what's known, Pouncey took money from an agent after the regular season, before the Sugar Bowl and after which he declared for the draft.  He played in one game for Florida as an ineligible player.  Bush apparently played more than an entire season(s) for USC after having forfeited his amateur status by receiving gifts.

Every school has or should have a compliance office.  Yes, the NCAA is a corrupt and faulty organization but the precedence is that if a school is aware of a problem or potential problem with noncompliance to NCAA rules, it conducts its own investigation, attempts to uncover what happened and the penalty is likely to be less harsh than if the investigation is initiated by the NCAA and then found.  In USC's case, couple that with the fact that the NCAA found that McNair had some involvement or knowledge in the Bush situation and was only "let go" by USC because his contract wasn't renewed, the NCAA isn't going to act too favorably.  You can correct me if I'm wrong on that, but it's what I've read.

Just about every school, its boosters, associates or players is involved in some form of cheating.  It's the way things are in the NCAA's revenue sports and while certain aspects of the corporation are unfair, if a school cheats and/or doesn't do its due diligence in reporting any illegal activity, they've gotta deal with the consequences.  Some schools (including people affiliated with them) just cheat better than others.

Up next: UNC and whatever punishments they and their players face.  If it's discovered that it was a matter of players accepting gifts, trips, etc., they'll be ineligible and as long as it doesn't come to light that UNC was somehow involved or turned a blind eye to the situation, that'll probably it and their could be minor penalties.  As it SEEMS now, it's a very different situation than USC.

EDIT: I just read around more and it's all rumor now but I saw it could be as many as 14 players at UNC?  Or just that 14 have been questioned?  If it's a substantial amount, I could see it being a bigger problem with the NCAA because of the possibility that the NCAA will look at it as a failure by UNC to educate their players about NCAA rules and amateurism.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Buddy, there are previous precedents of schools forfeiting the one game an "ineligble" player played in.

the two situations are not remotely similar. sorry

what i'm talking about is with usc bush accepted money from anywhere from 1-3 seasons, but it was done outside of school.  one player brought down the entire program.  because there was no real proof of any of it "experts" at the time expected the usc sanctions to be lost scholarships and vacated wins.  what they ended up getting was just short of a death penalty.  there was no real precedent for usc to be hit like that just off of allegations with no real evidence, at least none that tied the school to any of it.

all i'm saying is based on how hard the ncaa has been coming down on schools in the past year (not just usc, or football programs, but all the schools that have been placed on probations they disagree with) if uf gets off with less than a slap on the wrist for this, do you really think usc and those other schools arent going to point at this and say "hold up..."

i'm not saying i expect uf to get hit hard. all i'm saying is the ncaa is already taking criticism for some of its recent rulings. if nothing comes of this at all its not gonna help quiet those grumblings of arbitrary punishment.

 

[ooiron manoo]

Did you guys not see what was in the COI report?

The reason the sanctions were justified were comical at best.

-Bush taking money (allegedly)
-Bush's parents getting a house for free (allegedly)
-McNair's involvement (Do some research on this one, it's comical how deep his involvement is.

)
-The school environment (Open Practices w/fans, celebs, etc having access to players

)
-Turning a blind eye

So saying Florida will only have to vacate a victory in light of these allegations shows blatant bias on the part of the COI.

Let's not act like major college athletes don't get perks here, every University turns a blind eye.  All this self reporting going on now

I actually hope that Florida gets a light slap on the wrist, it will only help the appeal.

Bottom line is he took money, just like Bush.  I'm not saying they should get the same sanctions we did, but vacating only ONE meaningless win...that's nothing.

Pouncey took in a six figure check, allegedly Bush received a little over $300k in benefits.

Bush Punishment = Forfeiting National titles (Not AP

), wins, 2 year bowl ban, 30 scholarship over 3 years.
Pouncey Punishment = Vacate Sugar Bowl win

.  How is that fair?

They used open practices and our lenient compliance department against us in the investigation, don't think they would use the fact that there have been complaints against CUM's recruiting practices and all those players that have been arrested under his watch.

the two situations are not remotely similar. sorry
Two players cashing in major money.  The only difference is the length of time they allegedly took money.  Doesn't sound as "remotely" as you make it seem.

This looks like the MLB steroid era all over again.  MLB turned a blind eye to steroid use while it was raking in major dough.  NCAA/Universities were turning a blind eye to kids getting perks/money for the same reason.

Buddy, there are previous precedents of schools forfeiting the one game an "ineligble" player played in.
I thought the NCAA didn't go off precedents

 

[bigmike23]

BUSH TOOK MONEY FOR 3 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Pouncey TOOK MONEY FOR 1 GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bigmike23]

rumor has it Mike Garrett will be gone from USC in the next few days

 

[eneyekayee]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

BUSH TOOK MONEY FOR 3 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Pouncey TOOK MONEY FOR 1 GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Settle down, Mike.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Latest out of the UNC !+%# is that Marvin Austin will/could be suspended for his Sr. year and Greg Little, Deunta Williams, Kendric Burney and linebackers Bruce Carter and Quan Sturdivant could also face suspensions/punishment as well. Not as harsh as Marvin though. Like, all the NFL bound UNC players suspended (at some point) except for Robert Quinn

If true, I take back my prediction of them beating LSU to open the season.

 

[bigmike23]

Originally Posted by dreClark


If true, I take back my prediction of them beating LSU to open the season.

   NO !#%$

 

[tmay407]

There are rumors that Steve Kragthorpe will be vacating his position as WR coach at TAMU to go home to Oklahoma and deal with some pretty serious family problems. How do you handle that this late in the process as a HC? I assume the position will just be filled by Zac Taylor until the end of the season...

And supposedly Christine Michael is up to 217 lbs