Man of Steel (Superman Movie Thread) - June 14, 2013 - NEW Trailer pg20

[shogun]

Kal only fought 3 people though. Avengers had to face a whole bunch of those aliens.

I was wondering why a few more of Zod's soldiers didn't go down and join in on the brawl.

 

[kvsm23vs24]

Supes fought beasts. Avengers fought the putties

 

[nawghtyhare]

On paper though, wouldn't Thor body Superman?

Ohhh, do not open that can of worms here.

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hulk would body everybody though

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batman would body everybody with prep time

 

[thegreatbean]

In MOS, I viewed it as a different world, universe, comic book, and I was satisfied with the results.
The conclusion of the film just showed that even though he was from another planet, he showed a human side and he was defending his home and he had to do something(regarding zod).

 

[girlslovewaffles]

I meant in a sense that Thor is magic, and that's one of Superman's weaknesses.

I'm referring to the most well-known versions of Thor and Superman, none of that Superman Prime and Rune King Thor stuff.

 

[rfx45]

Kal only fought 3 people though. Avengers had to face a whole bunch of those aliens.

I was wondering why a few more of Zod's soldiers didn't go down and join in on the brawl.

Each one of those Kryptonians would murk everyone in the Avengers outside of Thor and Hulk. Hell Loki got Thor all weak in the movie. He was underwhelming throughout the whole film.

 

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

"This only ends ONE way Kal, either you die, or i do"

But thats TWO ways Zoddy. Lol

 

[jaycruz.]

Ends ONE way... Either Kal or Zod dies. That's two options, but only one way will end it.

 

[girlslovewaffles]

"This only ends ONE way Kal, either you die, or i do"

But thats TWO ways Zoddy. Lol

That whole line was a little unnecessary but that's just nitpicking.

Damn I want to watch MoS again. Gonna catch a matinee showing on Friday

 

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

I only posted it cuz of a pic i saw on facebook

I watched it again in 3d. I hate 3d. But it was ok cuz it was exactly like that 2d version

 

[blakep267]

im kinda conflicted about the action in the movie. on one hand, after seeing SR, action was sorely needed for the movie to be successful. But on the other hand, imo i just seemed out of place for supes to indiscriminately level smallville and metropolis without really trying to divert the battle to somewhere more safer. Like, that kinda fighting makes more sense for the hulk, but seemed out of character for superman

 

[rfx45]

I meant in a sense that Thor is magic, and that's one of Superman's weaknesses.

I'm referring to the most well-known versions of Thor and Superman, none of that Superman Prime and Rune King Thor stuff.

At the end of the day, it is up to the writers. Superman has overcome magic plenty of times, if a writer wants Supes to win, he'd have him use Super Speed and simply dodge every lightning attack Thor heaves his way. Supes can disarm Thor and I think we can all agree that Supes is "worthy" enough to lift Mjolnir and then he can use it against Thor. If the writer wants Supes to lose, it can easily be written that way too.

It's also hard to decide which Supes or Thor to use, both have gotten plenty of reboots and reincarnations. Even the canon versions changes powers and limits from time to time.

In essence, yes, Thor has an advantage with Magic and Mjolnir but that can be taken away by disarming him. Also, we really do not know the limits of Supermans powers, not to mention he has a wider array as well and strength for strength, I think Supes takes it between the two. I'm a Superman fanboy though so my arguments will always sound biased even when I try not to.

 

[blakep267]

I meant in a sense that Thor is magic, and that's one of Superman's weaknesses.

I'm referring to the most well-known versions of Thor and Superman, none of that Superman Prime and Rune King Thor stuff.

At the end of the day, it is up to the writers. Superman has overcome magic plenty of times, if a writer wants Supes to win, he'd have him use Super Speed and simply dodge every lightning attack Thor heaves his way. Supes can disarm Thor and I think we can all agree that Supes is "worthy" enough to lift Mjolnir and then he can use it against Thor. If the writer wants Supes to lose, it can easily be written that way too.

It's also hard to decide which Supes or Thor to use, both have gotten plenty of reboots and reincarnations. Even the canon versions changes powers and limits from time to time.

In essence, yes, Thor has an advantage with Magic and Mjolnir but that can be taken away by disarming him. Also, we really do not know the limits of Supermans powers, not to mention he has a wider array as well and strength for strength, I think Supes takes it between the two. I'm a Superman fanboy though so my arguments will always sound biased even when I try not to.

all that needs to be said. The characters have been changed so many times theres no way to quantify how strong a character is.

 

[rfx45]

im kinda conflicted about the action in the movie. on one hand, after seeing SR, action was sorely needed for the movie to be successful. But on the other hand, imo i just seemed out of place for supes to indiscriminately level smallville and metropolis without really trying to divert the battle to somewhere more safer. Like, that kinda fighting makes more sense for the hulk, but seemed out of character for superman

I felt that Superman was more busy trying to stop the Kryptonians to end the problem, keep in mind that Faora said it herself that they will kill millions for every 1 person he saves. He really cannot be flying around and flying each person to safety. It is also hard to say to lure the enemies away because as you can see, Supes was overwhelmed and in a few scenes, you see him trying to fly away just to be held/pulled back. Even in the beginning, it is hard to just fly away and hope the enemies would follow. If I were the Kryptonians and I had military training and I am trying to invade something, then I would stay somewhere where the hero would be more distracted and just cause chaos.

Again I look at this as a starting point, a learning curve for Superman, an origins story. The same reason that I really have no ill feeling about him killing Zod, it's just something he can learn from and the re-precautions of his actions which I think they will touch up on in the sequel. This is what shapes him in the end, he just have to make mistakes.

I agree with that one article that they could have conveyed it better though.

 

[al audi]

Well said rfx.

 

[blakep267]

im kinda conflicted about the action in the movie. on one hand, after seeing SR, action was sorely needed for the movie to be successful. But on the other hand, imo i just seemed out of place for supes to indiscriminately level smallville and metropolis without really trying to divert the battle to somewhere more safer. Like, that kinda fighting makes more sense for the hulk, but seemed out of character for superman

I felt that Superman was more busy trying to stop the Kryptonians to end the problem, keep in mind that Faora said it herself that they will kill millions for every 1 person he saves. He really cannot be flying around and flying each person to safety. It is also hard to say to lure the enemies away because as you can see, Supes was overwhelmed and in a few scenes, you see him trying to fly away just to be held/pulled back. Even in the beginning, it is hard to just fly away and hope the enemies would follow. If I were the Kryptonians and I had military training and I am trying to invade something, then I would stay somewhere where the hero would be more distracted and just cause chaos.

Again I look at this as a starting point, a learning curve for Superman, an origins story. The same reason that I really have no ill feeling about him killing Zod, it's just something he can learn from and the re-precautions of his actions which I think they will touch up on in the sequel. This is what shapes him in the end, he just have to make mistakes.

I agree with that one article that they could have conveyed it better though.

See, for me, I think it was more from the stand point of it looking cool, rather than him not being able to actually do it. Like in the zod fight, instead of heading more towards the ocean, they fight further into the city and supes was kinda guilty of this too. At that point, I dont even know if Zod could fly yet. Like why would punching zod through a building be a remotely good idea? I mean, Superman is worrying about zod lasering three people, when their fight probably killed thousands with the falling buildings. Its not a major gripe, I just felt that yea, its a starting point, but that doesnt mean some of the superman characteristics couldnt already be in place, like protecting people

 

[donmega]

In MOS, I viewed it as a different world, universe, comic book, and I was satisfied with the results.
The conclusion of the film just showed that even though he was from another planet, he showed a human side and he was defending his home and he had to do something(regarding zod).

Truth right there. It pretty much should be accepted at this point that every comic book movie would differ in some manner to the original. These are adaptations and are all dependent on whatever vision the director/producer/writers try to go to. Honestly, I had reservations about the movie the moment I stepped out of the theater. My feelings for it changed when I got home and had the time to collect my thoughts though. I initially had the feeling that they made Supes too dark and all. But then it's all good. that's the direction they wanted to go, and judging by that... they did a great job with their interpretation.

 

[36Hypno]

He did save that one dude in Smallville

Like RFX said he had bigger problems. That Faora line "For everyone you save, we will kill a million more" and if I'm not mistaken before their fight Zod basically told him "You can watch as I kill everyone" set the tone. There would be bodies no matter what. I think some of you were looking back at SMII where the action was extra slow and Supes had time to rescue people from falling debris and what not.

 

[rfx45]

He did try though, I mean I'd have to watch again but it seems like he was just overwhelmed throughout the whole fight. Dude was being wrecked by NamEk and Faora, I mean it isn't his fault where he is thrown or which trajectory his punch would bring the enemy.

Same with the Zod fight, it's not like he was just breaking building just for the hell of it. He punches him and dude goes flying through the building, really not sure in a heat of battle that is going to be your main concern. I mean even in the comics, Supes seems like he rarely cared about collateral damage. Wasn't there a running joke about Superman saving people and people were saying that they were thankful but he didn't have to go through the wall to do it?

 

[rfx45]

I think some of you were looking back at SMII where the action was extra slow and Supes had time to rescue people from falling debris and what not.

And that he could go back in time (Donners cut)?

 

[donmega]

im kinda conflicted about the action in the movie. on one hand, after seeing SR, action was sorely needed for the movie to be successful. But on the other hand, imo i just seemed out of place for supes to indiscriminately level smallville and metropolis without really trying to divert the battle to somewhere more safer. Like, that kinda fighting makes more sense for the hulk, but seemed out of character for superman

Supes gets a pass from me on this one. My take on it is that it was his first real fight, and it came out of nowhere. He didn't have time to think about the consequences of his actions. From his perspective he just needed to end it quickly. No matter the cost.

And this might be a reach or I'm just putting to much thought into it, but judging by the flashbacks it seems that he still had some reservations with earthlings for looking at him differently even though he wanted to save them. Thus his full trust/faith in humanity has yet to manifest.

 

[donmega]

double

 

[girlslovewaffles]

Dope avy donmega repped

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

Kal only fought 3 people though. Avengers had to face a whole bunch of those aliens.

I was wondering why a few more of Zod's soldiers didn't go down and join in on the brawl.

That puzzled me as well. When Supes fights Faora in Smallville, that unidentified tall kryptonian was throwing down as well. Then all them other guys that were on the ship never made a move and died on the ship in that black hole.

Guess they weren't engineered to be warriors.

Don't forget about the help of the humans and the amount of life lost in comparison to how the avengers did it

 

[CP1708]

Good point on Screenrant about Supes killing Zod.

He already did it, in 1981. He took away Zod's powers, smashed his hand, and threw him off a cliff to his death. Then Lois turned around and punched the broad off the ledge and she died too.

Then they both smiled about it.


It's a problem NOW, when he kills Zod WITH his powers, about to fry an innocent family, and he still feels horrible about it? I don't get people these days.