Mass Shooting Thread: Waiting on the next one.

[P C H]

There’s a reason why all these shootings are performed by men

 

[debso]

not just any group of men. a specific group of men.

 

[tekthemaestro]

yall beating around the bush of saying the overwhelming majority of all of these domestic terrorist acts are carried out by white males. Somehow they're the angriest most homicidal/violent demographic in the nation and simultaneously the most privileged.

 

[tay1]

yall beating around the bush of saying the overwhelming majority of all of these domestic terrorist acts are carried out by white males. Somehow they're the angriest most homicidal/violent demographic in the nation and simultaneously the most privileged.

This has been said since page 1 I bet

 

[KHUFU]

White american males created racism in america in order to preserve privilege due to race. This is a fact. Racism through law, had never existed in any other country, in any other time through law, until this country made it so. This is also a fact. Through that privilege, White males have also placed themselves in prison. They have thwarted their own growth, and due to the lack of vigilance to fight against racism, not enough white males out there trying to abolish discrimination, racism and sexism, white males cannot join in on the fun that all of the other oppressed groups can, and will, enjoy.

So now, they are mad. This is slowing becoming a world where everyone has come to see the joke that white male supremacy actually is. There is nothing supreme about you. You are inferior, and that is why you need gun laws to be in your favor. You are genetically weak, and the only way that they can preserver, is to kill defenseless men, women and children, that do not benefit from such laws.

White male supremacy celebrates mediocrity.

 

[KHUFU]

This has been said since page 1 I bet

He didn't say it though. He is american first. According to him, race had nothing to do with it.

 

[keko jones]

White american males created racism in america in order to preserve privilege due to race.

You are a ****ing genius. I never knew this.

SMH

 

[KHUFU]

You are a ****ing genius. I never knew this.

SMH

Would you like to read how and why it started? Or are you being disingenuous?

 

[keko jones]

Would you like to read how and why it started? Or are you being disingenuous?

Go ahead, fire away.

But before you start, is slavery new and only exclusive to whites?

 

[KHUFU]

Go ahead, fire away.

But before you start, is slavery new and only exclusive to whites?

Slavery had always existed, but it wasn't based upon race. That was tribalism and prejudice.

Racism was created to prevent Black males from owning property in the new world. In America, the only way you could vote, was to be a man and own property. Initially, Black and white slaves worked along side of each other. But it wasn't until plantation owners began to die off, leaving behind property, which included white wives as property as well, that some of the Black male slaves began to buy their own freedom or were declared free due to the death of the owner. These men then took over the property, then began having children with these white women, and being able to vote. The white plantation owners saw the threat in this. The turning point was when a Black slave ran away with two other who would be deemed white. They stated that they had been over worked. The two slaves that were european were set free, but the Black slave was sentenced to a life of slavery, thus beginning the laws for slavery built upon race and not labor.

 

[KHUFU]

P Present
You posted an article which discussed the case I mentioned above. Would you mind posting it again? Thank you.

 

[wr]

White american males created racism in america in order to preserve privilege due to race. This is a fact. Racism through law, had never existed in any other country, in any other time through law, until this country made it so. This is also a fact.

Not true.
They've been trying to knock the black man off the game for much longer than that.
Don't give individual white supremacists that much power.

The type of racism that has been ruining the world for centuries was authored by the religious and political authorities.

This was systematically done by the state.

It far too big of a task to be an organic movement to be systematically racist.

Most white people are not racist by nature. White Supremacy is the paid benefit promised to white society. It's a sick social contract that has been created at the highest levels of authority.

What was declaring your self Christian during the crusades and Inquisition if not to identify with white society in order to survive?

 

[KHUFU]

White supremacy had always existed in theory. But they never had a chance to practice such until they created laws to protect the sanctity of being white. That was done with the inception of this country. In those other lands, they could have their land taken from them by the King/throne. Here in america there was no throne to contend with, with being white, being king.

 

[Present]

KHUFU

Our history:

Back Story...

In 1619, the English colony in Virginia was too small and too poor to justify sailing to it as a destination. Ship captains did not expect the settlers there to have sufficient gold or silver to buy slaves.

The first documentation of the arrival of enslaved people starts with the Portuguese ship São João Bautista loading a cargo of 350 people off the coast of Angola. His intended destination was Vera Cruz, but near there he was intercepted by two pirates. The English captain of the two ships claimed to be privateers, authorized to seize Spanish and Portuguese vessels under letters of marque.

At the time, Phillip III of Spain ruled Portugal, under the Iberian Union which lasted from 1580-1640. The letters of marque had been issued by two European leaders at war with Spain, the Dutch Prince of Orange and the Duke of Savoy (a small territory near modern Switzerland). Because periods of war and peace changed intermittently, the two ship captains were at risk of losing the legal right to attack Spanish and Portuguese ships if those two leaders chose to make peace with Phillip III. Technically, they would become pirates rather than authorized privateers during times of peace, so long as the captains were aware of a peace agreement.

The White Lion and the Treasurer had sailed from a Dutch port in 1619. That summer they captured the São João Bautista and seized 50 men and women, perhaps all the two ships had room to transport. The pirates/privateers immediately sailed to Point Comfort. Virginia was a familiar destination for the Treasurer. Deputy governor Samuel Argall was a part owner, and the Treasurer had transported Pocahontas to England in 1616.

John Rolfe reported to the Virginia Company later that the White Lion arrived first, near the end of August, with about half of the people stolen from the Portuguese ship. The ship captain needed to make a sale in Virginia; taking his stolen cargo to a Spanish settlement was not an easy alternative, and there was no market for a shipload of Africans in England.

The Virginia Company needed more workers in its colony. The company's new management team in London had altered the terms of settlement in 1618, issuing a "Great Charter" to attract more immigrants from England. As part of the new policies, Virginia's first General Assembly had been held earlier that summer.

The arrival of the White Lion loaded with non-English workers was unexpected. Ultimtely the governor George Yeardley and the cape merchant (essentially the quartermaster for the colony) Abraham Peirsey traded supplies for the Angolans. The Treasurer arrived a few days later, but found it harder to sell its half of the stolen cargo. The letter of marque issued by the Duke of Savoy was not valid because he had made peace with Phillip III, so the Treasurer could be defined as a pirate. Any English colonist trading with a pirate could end up in legal difficulty.

The White Lion unloaded 28-30 people, which John Rolfe reported as "20 and odd" people. The Treasurer unloaded only 2-3 before sailing away to Bermuda. The acting governor on the island there was less concerned about the status of the letter of marque and purchased the remainder of the cargo. Apparently all 32 Africans documented in a March 1620 census of the colony's population arrived on the two ships.3

The status of the first Angolans is confusing. Their skin color clearly made them different, but the Virginia colony lacked a legal framework for slavery until 40 years after the 1619 delivery.

The great increase in the slave population did not start until 1700. Tobacco was a labor-intensive crop. Each slave or indentured servant working on a tobacco plantation may have processed 10,000 plants a year. That would require bending over 10,000 times to plant seeds, 10,000 times to dig seedlings from the early planting bed, 10,000 times to plant seedlings in a field...

As plantation agriculture spread up the Potomac River, the demand for field workers exceeded the supply of people in the colonies and England willing to do such work. The economic solution was to obtain laborers from another source - slaves from Africa, imported through the Caribbean islands as well as directly from that continent. In the 1660's, the demand for labor in Virginia exceeded the supply of indentured servants from England after the end of the civil war there.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/population/slaveorigin.html


By 1640, other African slaves were enchained in chattel slavery in the Spanish, Portuguese, and English colonies in the Carribbean and South America.

In the Spanish Caribbean colonies, some of which later became English and later British colonies (the Acts of Union between the English and Scottish kingdoms were not passed until 1707, and so it is technically anachronistic to refer to British colonies before 1707), native peoples perished readily as slaves. Hence, Spanish King Ferdinand II, he who sponsored Columbus's voyage to the New World, declared that colonists in the American sugar trade should import African slaves who had already been traded by the Portuguese to Spain. The year was 1501.

Four years later, Ferdinand shipped seventeen African slaves to work in the copper mines in Hispaniola (present-day Haiti and the Dominican Republic). A few months later he sent an additional hundred. In 1510, fifty more slaves were dispatched. In 1517, the Spanish crown issued a contract for 4,000 slaves over eight years. In 1535, Queen Joanna signed an order for another 4,000 slaves -- fifteen hundred going to Hispaniola, five hundred to Puerto Rico, three hundred to Cuba, and another three hundred to Jamaica. By 1540, 30,000 African slaves had been sent to the European colonies in the Carribean, and more than 100,000 were shipped to all of the Americas.

There was a Spanish colony established in 1526 in South Carolina, San Miguel de Gualdape, built in today’s South Carolina (possibly Georgia -- the exact location remains obscured) by African slave labor. The colony was abandoned the following year after a slave revolt. Another, more permanent colony was established in Florida in 1565 -- Saint Augustine.

So, when the burgesses who ruled the Virginia colony sentenced John Punch to indentured servitude in perpetuity, they sentenced him to a form of chattel slavery that already existed in the New World -- even in what would become the United States. He was not the first slave in America -- merely the first slave owned by the English.

http://www.hnn.us/articles/147577.html

Up until this point both whites and blacks were indentured servants in the English colonies. Poor whites, criminals, and Africans all worked together, paying off their indenture.

The difference was whites came over as poor, or punishment by English courts.

Africans were brought against their will.

Recall the first "slaves" were brought over by the Portuguese by accident.

Basically the Portuguese knew the colonies were broke but they got jacked by Virginia when one of their ships went off course trying to get to South America.

Virginians took the Africans as indentured servants

The word white didn't exist, neither did black.

You were English, or Dutch, or Irish, African, etc.

The story of John Punch occupies an important place in the history of slavery in North America. When the English imported Punch to the Virginia colony in the mid-seventeenth century, he became an indentured servant. The primary source of labor in the Virginia colony for the better part of the seventeenth century was servitude. The colony imported workers from Europe to work in tobacco fields. They had little interest in utilizing African slaves. African imports were comparatively expensive next to the cheap imports they could scoop off the streets or out of the jails of London. At the time John Punch arrived in the English colony, he was one of a relatively small population of Africans.

But something happened to John Punch in 1640 that signaled a transition in the way colonial officials thought about race and slavery. In 1640, Punch ran away from his Virginia employer with two white servants, one a Scot and the other a Dutchman. They escaped to Maryland where they were apprehended and returned home for punishment. All three runaways were whipped. The two white servants were punished with extended terms of service, but Punch received a far harsher sentence: he was made a servant “for the term of his natural life.” It was the closest thing to a slave the colony had yet known. Virginians would not fully embrace a system of slave labor for at least another four decades, but the willingness of colonial officials to distinguish a lifetime of servitude for Punch and not for his European counterparts suggests the beginnings of racial thinking that would ultimately equate slavery with people of African descent.

http://www.mixedracestudies.org/?tag=john-punch

These two cases mark the beginning of race based slavery in America.

^
John Punch

9th of July, 1640.


Whereas Hugh Gwyn hath by order from this Board Brought back from Maryland three servants formerly run away from the said Gwyn, the court doth therefore order that the said three servants shall receive the punishment of whipping and to have thirty stripes apiece one called Victor, a Dutchman, the other a Scotchman called James Gregory, shall first serve out their times with their master according to their Indentures, and one whole year apiece after the time of their service is Expired. By their said Indentures in recompense of his Loss sustained by their absence and after that service to their said master is Expired to serve the colony for three whole years apiece, and that the third being a negro named John Punch shall serve his said master or his assigns for the time of his natural Life here or elsewhere.

Also

July 22, 1640.


Whereas complaint has been made to this Board by Capt Wm Pierce Esqr that six of his servants and a negro of Mr Reginolds has plotted to run away unto the Dutch plantation from their said masters and did assay to put the same in Execution upon Saturday night being the 18th day July1640 as appeared to the Board by Examinations of Andrew Noxe, Richd Hill, Richd Cookeson and John Williams and likewise by confession of Christopher Miller, Peter Wilcocke, and Emanuel the foresaid Negro who had at the fore said time, taken the skiff of the said Capt Wm Pierce their master, and corn powder and shot and guns, to accomplish their said purposes, which said p[er]sons sailed down in the said skiff to Elizabethriver where they were taken and brought back again, the Court taking the same into consideration, as a dangerous p[re]cident for the future time (if unpunished) did order that Christopher Miller a dutchman (a prince agent in the business) should receive the punishment of whipping and to have thirty stripes, and to be burnt in the cheek with the letter R and to work with a shakle on his legg for one whole year, and longer if said master shall see cause and after his full time of service is Expired with his said master to serve the colony for seven whole years, and the said Peter Wilcocke to receive thirty stripes and to be Burnt in the cheek with the letter R and, after his term of service is Expired with his said master to serve the colony for three years and the said Richd Cookson after his full time expired with his master to serve the colony for two years and a half, and the said Richd Hill to remain upon his good behaviour until the next offence and the said Andrew Noxe to receive thirty stripes, and the said John Williams a dutchman and a Chirugeon after his full time of service is Expired with his master to serve the colony for seven years, and Emanuelthe Negro to receive thirty stripes and to be burnt in the cheek with the letter R. and to work in shakle one year or more as his master shall see cause, and all those who are condemned to serve the colony after their times are expired with their masters, then their said masters are required hereby to p[re]sent to this board their said servants so condemned to the colony.


https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/general_court_responds_to_runaway_servants_and_slaves_1640

Bonus:

So recently, when researchers at Ancestry.com announced that they discovered genealogical records, which suggest that President Barack Obama’s white American mother is descended from America’s “first slave,” John Punch, and genetic markers in the Bunch family, his mother’s white male ancestors, the descendants of John Bunch, show DNA markers from Cameroon, West Central Africa, I wanted to know if geneticists were able to establish a timeline for this white American family’s African DNA. Does their African DNA indicate ancient or medieval markers, or DNA from the colonial American era? And will geneticists be able to establish this genetic timeline, or is the information, lost, buried in the limitations of genetic research?

A notable part of the researchers’ report said the enslaved black John Punch had children with a free white woman. Then, because the mother was free, Punch's mixed-race children were born free, and generations of the Punch family later became prominent land owners in Virginia. But the Ancestry.com researchers said John Punch was “the first slave in the colonies.” Africans who were chattel slaves were enslaved for life in the colonies were distinguished from indentured slaves, who were (often voluntarily) enslaved to work for a few years. But the researchers’ use of the word "first" caused me to wonder how much documentary evidence should be expected in researching genealogy and history that are difficult to trace, because of the racial attitudes and scant records from the colonial era.

 

[tekthemaestro]

He didn't say it though. He is american first. According to him, race had nothing to do with it.

dog please stop quoting me when u have such low reading comprehension. by the time you arrived in this thread we'd had countless discussions on it. For the last time. Mass shootings are an AMERICAN problem. because they effect ALL americans. They're just carried out by white males by and large. You're trying to paint it as a minorities in America problem. which it is not. now mute me or something. u have so many opinions and none of them are informed, and all of them are tainted/tinted.

now yall posting dissertations on the origins of slavery in a thread about mass shootings. good lord

This has been said since page 1 I bet

im not discussing page 1 tho. im involved in the current conversation. where people keep saying "certain" groups. and "specific" males. theyre currently dancing around it. so i currently addressed it.

 

[getback]

where people keep saying "certain" groups. and "specific" males. theyre currently dancing around it. so i currently addressed it.

I think folks are just being sarcastic TBH

We all know what they mean.

It would be like saying "a certain president hates minorities."

 

[KHUFU]

Mass shootings are an AMERICAN problem. because they effect ALL americans. They're just carried out by white males by and large. You're trying to paint it as a minorities in America problem. which it is not. now mute me or something. u have so many opinions and none of them are informed, and all of them are tainted/tinted.

now yall posting dissertations on the origins of slavery in a thread about mass shootings. good lord

He contradicts himself!

 

[tekthemaestro]

I think folks are just being sarcastic TBH

We all know what they mean.

It would be like saying "a certain president hates minorities."

for sure we know what they mean lol. im saying dont tiptoe. let the truth flyyyyyyyy. texas getting exposed with all that everybody armed talk. all those right wing arguments getting exposed left and right. not to minimize the fact that people are actually dying in these cases. just speaking on their ideology in general.

and walmart is on some bs by removing the ammo sales. cuz they didnt budge with countless shootings before, until it happened twice in their stores. but it was only 2 or 3 weeks ago or so when they tried to blame video games for the problem and took down their pop up posters advertising for "violent games." taking down some cardboard call of duty posters was their response to mass shootings....

 

[getback]

and walmart is on some bs by removing the ammo sales. cuz they didnt budge with countless shootings before, until it happened twice in their stores. but it was only 2 or 3 weeks ago or so when they tried to blame video games for the problem and took down their pop up posters advertising for "violent games." taking down some cardboard call of duty posters was their response to mass shootings....

Yeah Wal-Mart is trash. Basically "what is the least we can do to appease people to make it look like we care."

 

[Present]

He contradicts himself!

Some one asks the rhetorical question...

"But before you start, is slavery new and only exclusive to whites"?

Gets a factual answer (with links) that establishes (clearly and in detail) that slavery as we know it is exclusive to the "Whites".

Resonse?

"now yall posting dissertations on the origins of slavery in a thread about mass shootings. good lord"

LMAO!!!

 

[KHUFU]

Some one asks the rhetorical question...

"But before you start, is slavery new and only exclusive to whites"?

Gets a factual answer (with links) that establishes (clearly and in detail) that slavery as we know it is exclusive to the "Whites".

Resonse?

"now yall posting dissertations on the origins of slavery in a thread about mass shootings. good lord"

LMAO!!!

That is how they get down around here. You have quite a few so called Black people ( I do not believe that they are indeed black.) who'll gate keep threads to prevent the sharing of information, sharing of knowledge. He'll run to a mod and state....they are derailing the thread, as it should be about mass shootings! Not about race!

They do not want to point the finger of blame where it deserves to be. Massa, we sick?!

 

[Cnowledge]

Dumb vs dumb.

**** gonna change. Just try to survive with u an yours.

 

[KHUFU]

That survival mindset is for the weak.
Thinking that you can't change anything is exactly what white supremacy wants you to think. You'll fit right into their plan...that is if you are indeed Black.
They wanted Black people to think that slavery was forever.
They wanted Black people to think that Jim Crow was forever.

Well, that ceiling has been broken.

 

[layziegunts]

We should change the name of it to "Mass Shooting Terrorist Thread - Waiting - On - The - Next- One"

The ones is Chicago and normally perpatrated by black people arent terrorist, because when they shoot they are usually targeting a person or gang that they know.

I think the suggested thread change make it perfectly clear about what types of shootings is being talked about in here

 

[hipstermike]

when shootings become fashion statements in the US