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[hand2handking]

It's impossible to say without a direct comparison. You need a non-white parallel. THAT is the point.

thats why i said by label or public opinion

a non white parallel would preclude labels and public opinion being favorable to an "outspoken" black rapper

the fact there is no parallel is evidence of eminem's white supremacy.....

it's been almost a decade since eminem dropped anything relevant yet hes still around

fixed

 

[gwap]

eminem isn't even that hot right now...lol

"still around"

he's only getting press from political comments... not music

 

[hand2handking]

jay has rapped about all the things every rapper has

when has jay dropped a song about killing his mom?

 

[tr1ll]

jay has rapped about all the things every rapper has

when has jay dropped a song about killing his mom?

So are you talking about rapping about drugs, politics or killing moms now?

I've just been sitting back trying to follow.

 

[iamdef]

exactly my point what ____ rapper is going to be given his kind of leeway? whether by a label or public opinion?

It doesn't prove your point tho, it just means that there's no exact parallel to Eminem. Em has not be given much leeway. He faced his criticism and overcame it. Was it made easier because he is white, sure but he didn't have a free pass nor was it "no big deal"

 

[hand2handking]

the fact there is no parallel is evidence of eminem's superiority.....

it's been almost a decade since eminem was on top of mainstream

no other white rapper wants to be a great?

the industry doesn't want another great white rapper?

theyve tried

mac miller

nikki minaj just said the top 10 hip hop chart was majority white artists

 

[hand2handking]

It doesn't prove your point tho, it just means that there's no exact parallel to Eminem. Em has not be given much leeway. He faced his criticism and overcame it. Was it made easier because he is white, sure but he didn't have a free pass nor was it "no big deal"

yea i remember when em's career almost ended over his lyrics

So are you talking about rapping about drugs, politics or killing moms now?

I've just been sitting back trying to follow.

jay rapped about drugs sure seling them

did he ever glorify how great drugs make you feel?

how he himself enjoyed popping?

yall talk about a direct comparison but cant offer one

 

[RustyShackleford]

exactly my point what ____ rapper is going to be given his kind of leeway? whether by a label or public opinion?



they dont have to be considered great, just considered at all

and i listed the g-easys, asher rots, riff raffs who stand on ems back



the difference between kanye and em is that white ppl are allowed to be political

kanye might have benefited but what he said and what em said are politically two different things

again kanye was standing up for the ppl in katrina, what did em say that was so politically relevant?




get them like bruh

here let me help get u started



again i brought up the team not the movie

Have you seen and heard Mosh?

He goes in on Bush about the Iraq War.

You know that thing where the entire country was lied to about the reason, to send us into messy conflict that cost probably over a trillion dollars, lend to the death of tons of solider and civilians, destabilized the region and lend to the expansion of the nation's mass surveillance network. One that may not be fully operating with the Constitution.

And shamed anyone that spoke out against the farce as unpatriotic.

You know, that Iraq War.

Not to mention the international embarrassment it caused that it took Obama 8 years to repair America's reputation with most of our allies.

And could go on about the long lasting effects of the Iraq War too.

If you think that Iraq War was not politically relevant. I don't know what to tell you.

Other than listen and read some more MLK to learn about how racism and militarism are linked.

 

[iamdef]

yea i remember when em's career almost ended over his lyrics

happened a number of times, even if you feel those times weren't as dire.

 

[hand2handking]

Have you seen and heard Mosh?

He goes in on Bish about the Iraq War.

You know that thing where the entire country was lied to, to send us into messy conflict that cost probably over a trillion dollars, lend to the death of tons of solider and civilians, destabilized the region and lend to the expansion of the police state.

And shamed anyone that spoke out against the farce as unpatriotic.

You know, that Iraq War.

Not to mention the international embarrassment it caused that it took Obama 8 years to repair America's reputation with most of our allies.

And could go on about the long lasting g effects of the Iraq War too.

If you think that Iraq War was not politically relevant. I don't know what to tell you.

Other than listen and read some more MLK to learn about how racism and militarism and linked.

i know it was a big deal

i lived thru it

but eminem taking on bush so courageously in a lyric falls flat to me

you making it sound like he was so active what else did he do? donate any money anywhere?

nwa was talking about ppl here, fixing here

like kaep we all see his sacrifice

em knows he made his money in black ppls art form

wheres his sacrifice?

he such a patriot right?

happened a number of times, even if you feel those times weren't as dire.

if it did it was a result of his own white privilege backfiring on him

 

[getback]

I feel like H2H is forgetting just how much criticism Eminem faced. Granted it was it was like 1999-2002 so it was a long time ago.

That was a massive part of his appeal though. A lot of people checked on him because he was anti-establishment from the jump.

 

[Master Zik]

X said a lot of sick **** but he wasn't as consistently weird and nasty.

wouldnt that point to em being able to do things black rappers cant?

charles hamilton tried "quirky" and look how that turned out

No.

Just no.

This isn't something black rappers can't do. Its something black ppl aren't in to.

What black ppl are in to the **** Em is on? Thats some white ppl ****.

This comparison is purposely ignoring cultural and societal differences.

Its like saying black rappers cant be on that red neck ****. No. Black rappers aren't rednecks period.

Charles Hamilton was weird but not on no Em ****. Check any of his 50 mixtapes.

 

[getback]

i know it was a big deal

i lived thru it

but eminem taking on bush so courageously in a lyric falls flat to me

you making it sound like he was so active what else did he do? donate any money anywhere?

nwa was talking about ppl here, fixing here

like kaep we all see his sacrifice

em knows he made his money in black ppls art form

wheres his sacrifice?

he such a patriot right?


if it did it was a result of his own white privilege backfiring on him

In 2002, Eminem founded a charity that bears his birth name—the Marshall Mathers Foundation—through which he provides assistance to disadvantaged and at-risk youth, primarily in Detroit and surrounding communities. Of late, the foundation has given away under $200,000 to a select batch of organizations.

Eminem via his foundation has supported places like the Horatio Williams Foundation, which provides educational and athletic support to Detroit metro youth, Excellence for Detroit, which prepares youth for college, Michigan State University, and Life Ties, which helps youth in crisis.

The rapper is also interested in health and human services organizations in Detroit and has helped fund places like Wolverine Human Services, South Oakland Shelter in Michigan, Michigan AIDS Coalition, Gleaners Community Food Bank, Henry Ford Health System, Families Against Narcotics, and Common House, which provides a lifeline for individuals and families in crisis, victims of crime, persons with mental illness, and people coping with critical situations.

 

[hand2handking]

ah but there was a redneck rapper

anyone remember bubba sparks?


a foundation in his own name

i wonder how much funds he embezzled

everyone with their own nonprofit is banking off it

 

[getback]

More goalpost moving.

Now it's in his own name so it's no bueno.

Next it will be he didn't donate enough.

Then it will be it was only Michigan residents.

 

[iamdef]

I feel like H2H is forgetting just how much criticism Eminem faced. Granted it was it was like 1999-2002 so it was a long time ago.

That was a massive part of his appeal though. A lot of people checked on him because he was anti-establishment from the jump.

Nah he doesn't forget it, he just washes it away from being significant.

 

[atlsfinest]

I came just to check in on this thread and its the same three dudes arguing over and over.

 

[gwap]

where are the other great white rappers?

why aren't there any?

this is the easiest way for a label to make millions with minimal effort right?

reality doesn't match your perception.

 

[hand2handking]

More goalpost moving.

Now it's in his own name so it's no bueno.

Next it will be he didn't donate enough.

Then it will be it was only Michigan residents.

and after all that its what has he done specifically for black ppl that created the craft he profited so much from

he ever tweeted black lives matter?

where are the other great white rappers?

why aren't there any?

this is the easiest way for a label to make millions with minimal effort right?

reality doesn't match your perception.

they dont have to stick to hip hop when they have every other genre under dominance

 

[getback]

and after all that its what has he done specifically for black ppl that created the craft he profited so much from

he ever tweeted black lives matter?

If you don't think creating a foundation and contributing to dozens of inner Detroit charities doesn't positively affect black people then you are lying to yourself. I'm not attacking you, but you are being completely dishonest.

And I don't have twitter. But he does rap about BLM.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/08/emine...ing-on-donald-trump-in-new-interview-7142822/

 

[calibeebee]

^^ DMX?....

Too Short, the GETO boys?

 

[RustyShackleford]

i know it was a big deal

i lived thru it

but eminem taking on bush so courageously in a lyric falls flat to me

you making it sound like he was so active what else did he do? donate any money anywhere?

nwa was talking about ppl here, fixing here

like kaep we all see his sacrifice

em knows he made his money in black ppls art form

wheres his sacrifice?

he such a patriot right?

You say it is a big deal, yet you just questioned it's relevancy.

I answer your question, and you move the goal post.

Now it is not about if his criticism based on a political topic but what did he do with the money and how big of a patriot he was.

 

[hand2handking]

If you don't think creating a foundation and contributing to dozens of inner Detroit charities doesn't positively affect black people then you are lying to yourself. I'm not attacking you, but you are being completely dishonest.

And I don't have twitter. But he does rap about BLM.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/08/emine...ing-on-donald-trump-in-new-interview-7142822/

sure it helps black people i didnt say it didnt

i said specifically for black ppl, like the uncf or naacp

 

[hand2handking]

I answer your question, and you move the goal post.

Now it is not about if his criticism based on a political topic but what did he do with the money and how big of a patriot he was.

you insinuated that he was some paragon of virtue for taking on bush

all i said if he was all that then what else has he done other than a lyric

i was informed he's done things for detroit and thats great

but for someone who "came up from the bottom" as a white man

i would think he would recognize how much more difficult it is for a black man

someone brought up proof before, more talented and from the same area

yet proof never got the dre co sign

but lets ignore all of that because em is so "credible"

 

[tr1ll]

Its like saying black rappers cant be on that red neck ****. No. Black rappers aren't a rednecks period.

ah but there was a redneck rapper

anyone remember bubba sparks?



a foundation in his own name

i wonder how much funds he embezzled

everyone with their own nonprofit is banking off it