antj2k2 wrote:
What in the hell are you talking about?Iverson isn't one of the greatest of this era?
wat in the hell are u smoking? NO!
this era = 2000 - present day
and yes he is one of the greatest in this era..........
thats ur opinion...but nobody has yet told me other things he does efficiently besides tha stuff i named
Originally Posted by vezon
I can't believe this herb is calling Iverson overrated. I bet if you ask everyone in the league to name one of the best scorers in the game let alone a 6ft guard they will tell you Iverson. Plus you're also forget also can also shoot, look at his career stats that 3peat posted. He didn't get that by only layups and shooting free throws. I bet this dude only go by stats and haven't seen Iverson play until this season
Climb off... this answer is so STUPID, i wont respond.
But toBullsRepeat3Peat, Im not justlooking at his stats. Yes he is a horrible shooter, but there's other things. You mentioned his assists. While he has gotten a little better at passing,you also have to look at his turnovers. He doesnt have an efficient assist to turnover ratio. Kobe doesnt either but im not comparing the two. His steals aregreat, he gets in the passing lanes alot, but lets not make him out to be a great defender. From what I have seen over the years he doesnt really play thatgood man to man defense. Also, when you mention the word "clutch", Iverson's name doesnt come to mind. But like i said before I give him creditfor the things he does do well (layups, steals, taking a physical beating every night, handle). And while 45% and 42% might not sound like that big of adifference, it is. For Iverson to raise his career FG% to 45% would take alot. Those are my reasons why, to me, he's overrated.
how can you lead a team tot the finals by yourself and earn league scoring honors and league MVP that year, as only 6'0 (at best), and revolutionize a position an not be considered one of the best of the era.
That should go with out saying, you my friend get a large
Is that considered an answer? League MVP, finals appearance with 0 team behing him, a warrior mentality, revolutionizing a position, 6'0 (atbest), etc. Need i go on?
I've seen Deron play around five or six times this season, mostly against the Lakers or Clips on account of where I live. The last time I sawhim was against the Clips like a week or two ago. And mind you, I'm only watching him against certain teams, but every time I've seen him play so farthis season, he's impressed me with both the quality and efficiency of the shot he takes in addition to his playmaking ability. His numbers back up theimpression I've gotten from the times I've seen him play, so I think it's pretty fair to use that in his favor. Also, regarding his playoff tearfrom last season, his numbers right now are better than they were from last season's playoffs. Just saying.
Well, you're right that the only time I really get to see Kidd is when the Nets are on TNT or ESPN, but like with Deron, the times that I getto see him play really seem to back up what the stats are saying. Also, I don't think citing his first team all-defense is a good argument either, even ifit's voted on by coaches. Lest you forget, Larry Hughes was once granted that same honor for running around gambling in passing lanes and getting a bunchof steals. But everyone knew/knows that he's by no means a good defender. And again, I'm not calling Kidd a bad defender because he's not. But itlooks like he's half a step slower than he was in the past.
Originally Posted by khoshabasfinest23
im gunna have to go with his boy. this guy complains and whines all day. andat a 6"10 power forward who shoots more 3's than free throws in a season
how can you lead a team tot the finals by yourself and earn league scoring honors and league MVP that year, as only 6'0 (at best), and revolutionize a position an not be considered one of the best of the era.
That should go with out saying, you my friend get a large
Is that considered an answer? League MVP, finals appearance with 0 team behing him, a warrior mentality, revolutionizing a position, 6'0 (at best), etc. Need i go on?
please dont go on...obviously u dont get it...just chill out
Minimal increase? You really think over a full turnover per game more is a minimal increase? Think about it. He's turning the ball over at arate that's 137% of what he was doing last season. That's minimal? NBA players in general don't turnover the ball too often, so ANY increase, letalone a full turnover, will usually be more than minimal. And if you want to think about it in terms of actual game play, that's an entire extra possessionfor the other team that, at least last year, wouldn't have occurred. Now, considering the fact that in terms of point differential, even the worst teamsonly lose by an average scoring margin of four possessions a game, that extra turnover sure seems like it means a lot more, doesn't it?Originally Posted by bonafide hustla
and again you keep mentioning the awfully high turnover ratio, but you're sitting here boxscore picking over a VERY minimal increase. Since you like to talk stats, look at howmany times he's averaged 10.4 assists in his career, and look at his TO ratio any time he's had over 10 assists pg. To be honest you sound like a columnist that I recently read saying that Calderon should be getting paid some rediculous contract and this man kept using some calculus looking deriven efficiency rating.and here were a boatload of bums and tier 3 PGs who were high on that lis
Deron's stats are equal at best and down in most categories compared to his playoff run last year? Really? You might want to take that backwhile you still can. Last year in the playoffs, he averaged 19.2, 8.6, and 4.3 boards on 45% shooting in 39 minutes per game. This season, he's averaging19, 9.5, and 3 on 51%+ shooting in 37 minutes per game. That's down? Really? Okay, sure.Originally Posted by bonafide hustla
No they aren't. they're about equal if best if not slightly down in most categories. I dont even look at stats like this cuz its soo flawed and I used to try to do that prior to nba tv, but clearly Deron is a beast and is good in every phase of basketball. Last year playoffs I recall him being THE man on that team. It was HIS team. Now Boozer is the central focus of that team . He gets the ball most. He is looking more like their franchise player.
Go back and re-read my post. I didn't say Kidd was a bad defender. In fact, I said that he was a good defender. All I'm saying is thathe's not as good as he USED TO BE, which you essentially agreed with so I'm unsure of what you're arguing. And I suppose it's your opinion thatLarry Hughes is a good defender, but I'm sure there are a number of Cavs fans who would argue otherwise. And yes, they do award players for just gamblingon passing lanes, and Larry Hughes was a case in point. The only reason why he got on the all-defensive team while they didn't is cause Larry lead theleague in steals that year, and steals really aren't an indication of how good your defense is. Bruce Bowen and Tayshaun Prince for instance, have neverbeen at or even anywhere near the top of the league in steals, yet they're both still widely considered two of the better perimeter defenders in theleague.
