my mind is blown right now

[lalph rauren]

Originally Posted by illwill24

Forgive them Father for they not know what they do....

Realest post in threadYou guys don't understand, I respect some of you don't believe in god but that doesn't mean you should mock the ones that do

 

[nikeairforce1]

Originally Posted by AJIIIpLATINum

The greatness and complexity of God is manifested in OPs question. I cant believe some of you believe light can only come from an insignificant sun and moon. God created light which is the manifestation of energy and all types of chemical reactions. Think of it as the big bang but instead of it happening by chance it happens under the careful supervision and direction of God almighty.

Also is revelation it says Jesus' new kingdom will have no Sun.
Revelation 21:23 "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof"

God bless

Unfortunately for your claim that God created the Big Bang (

),  the first verse of the Bible states that God created Earth before he created light.  He created Earth...in the DARK!

 

[h4][/h4]

[h4]Genesis 1[/h4][h4]The Beginning[/h4] [sup]1[/sup] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [sup]2[/sup] Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
 [sup]3[/sup] And God said, “Let there be light,

 

[jfaceproducer]

Damn...so many people to reply to..but I'm not lol. A believer vs a Non-Believer will go in circles forever. All I'll say is this. I don't believe in secular religious teachings. I believe in the unknown. I believe we've yet to know what "god" really is. God could just be a superior alien from a distant world, or he could just be pure energy. The universe itself could be a God, and we're just the inner parts of its body. !@% knows? Not me, and I won't dare claim I DO KNOW. God is definitely not man, and man was not made in god's image. that is an egotistical claim of mankind that out of all the beings in the universe, we were chosen to be created in his likeness. We physically interpret what our 5 senses can cipher. If God is beyond everything physical, we can't claim to understand him/her/it. And I'm quite ok with that. If God was such a "jealous god" he would show face and make sure there'd be no confusion, and all would worship at his feet, as a kind and loving god would do (sarcasm). He wouldn't play hide and seek.
according to the christian bible, I can live a good life, be a good man, treat others well, show love and give to the poor, don't do bad things, and still go to hell because I don't "keep the sabbath" or pray and worship god. One Saturday I was heading to work and my grandma told me "You know, you're not suppose to work on the Sabbath" and my reply "well, who's going to pay the bills?"
If I quit my job, and decided to give my life to Jesus (reading the bible, praying and worshiping all day), will he make money appear so that I can pay my rent? Do any of you want to experiment?
Faith don't pay the bills. Faith don't heal the sick. Faith don't help the poor.

our ONLY connection to god is through writings (bible,quran, whatever your cup of tea is). We read with our brains, not with faith, right?.....

 

[yardfather]

God didn't write the Bible.

You don't have to follow a religion to believe in God


/thread

 

[240Zestways]

Originally Posted by Fro B Giant


The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who
has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.

"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt
the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain?

No one appears to have done so.

So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due
respect, sir.

So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your
lectures, sir?"

This part of the story is what always ruins it for me, because there is a simple way to prove whether or not the professor has a brain(cutting him open), but nobody on this planet can prove or show that god exists.

 

[ayejreeun]

Originally Posted by Fro B Giant

"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ."

The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then
asks one of his new students to stand.

"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes sir," the student says.

"So you believe in God?"

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a
moment.

"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and
you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you
could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He
doesn't, does he?

My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed
to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

The student remains silent.

"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of
water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

"Let's start again, young fella Is God good?"

"Er... yes," the student says.

"Is Satan good?"

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

"Then where does Satan come from?"

The student: "From... God..."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there
evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"

"Yes."

"So who created evil?"

The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God
created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our
works define who we are, then God is evil."

Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: "Is
there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do
they exist in this world?"

The student: "Yes."

"So who created them?"

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his
question. "Who created them?

There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace
in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

"Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in
Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice is confident: "Yes, professor, I do."

The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use
to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"

"No sir. I've never seen Him"

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir, I have not."

"Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt
your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God
for that matter?"

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"Yes."

"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that,
son?"

"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."

"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem
science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of
his own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"And is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No sir, there isn't."

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The
room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

"You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat,
unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have
anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no
heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as
cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.
Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is
only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,
sounding like a hammer.

"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if
it isn't darkness?"

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and
it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the
word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make
darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This
will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed
to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed?
Can you explain how?"

"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains.
"You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad
God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we
can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To
view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death
cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just
the absence of it."
"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they
evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young
man, yes, of course I do"

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he
realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not
teaching your opinion , sir?

Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the
commotion has subsided.

"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student,
let me give you an example of what I mean."

The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who
has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.

"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt
the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain?

No one appears to have done so.

So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due
respect, sir.

So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your
lectures, sir?"

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student,
his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess
you'll have to take them on faith."

"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists
with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as
evil?"

Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see
it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man.

It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the
world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least
it does not exist unto itself.

Evil is simply the absence of God . It is just like darkness and
cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.

God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart.

It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness
that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

I dislike this "story" so much

-Evolution is adaptation.  It happens all through out the animal kingdom.
-The "brain" argument?

Seriously

-The Prof was set up to lose in the first place

 

[vendetta]

Just to point out part of the professor story.

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and
it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the
word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make
darkness darker, wouldn't you?"


The student claims that there is no such thing as darkness. Merely the absence of light. However, as quoted by one of our NT members.

"God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness"

Whether you believe the Bible to be factual or an allegory, looking at that sentence there's no feasable explaination to refute that God literally seperated light from darkness. Whether that be good from bad or happy from sad the two are seperated. To put it bluntly if there was 100% light as the student claims there would be no darkness to seperate. This is a direct contradiction to the student's point. Though I will give credit to the writer of the story for the concept of heat and cold. Bravo.

 

[uptownsdotnetstacky]

Every time I go through one of these religion threads, all the txt sounds like South Park "RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" in my head

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Lalph Rauren

Originally Posted by illwill24

Forgive them Father for they not know what they do....

Realest post in threadYou guys don't understand, I respect some of you don't believe in god but that doesn't mean you should mock the ones that do

I don't know why but this made me


I said multiple blasphemous things this morning just for sh and giggles, if God can forgive people who murder in his name I'm sure he can take a joke

 

[sillyputty]

 

[mccheesy]

I don't want to sound weird or suicidal or cynical but the truth might only come to us in death, once we pass between the boundaries of living into (insert whatever you believe here), be it reincarnation, limbo, etc.

I'm hoping as our soul departs from our body we're able to find answers to questions we have no way of finding out.

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by Lalph Rauren

Originally Posted by illwill24

Forgive them Father for they not know what they do....

Realest post in threadYou guys don't understand, I respect some of you don't believe in god but that doesn't mean you should mock the ones that do

You all should follow the one, true god. Spiderman.
Through Peter Parker is the only way to god. 

Thank Mary Jane for giving birth to Spiderman's tingly senses. 

PRAISE SPIDERMAN!

Stop it.

I don't have to respect your beliefs. I will however, protect your right to believe what you want. 

But you are NOT free from criticism or chastisement for what you think or believe, nor are the things you believe free from being discussed. 

Mccheesy wrote:

---

I don't want to sound weird or suicidal or cynical but the truth might only come to us in death, once we pass between the boundaries of living into (insert whatever you believe here), be it reincarnation, limbo, etc. 

I'm hoping as our soul departs from our body we're able to find answers to questions we have no way of finding out.

Again, another silly post.
You have no reason to believe there is anything after death beyond the fact that people want there to be something.

Wishing for there to be something doesn't make it more true or not. On top of that, you have no proof to even substantiate your guesses. 

So technically, my guess that we end up as ice cream cones in a middle school classroom is just as likely as your GUESSES that something happens to you when die.

Its just speculation so until you can back ANY of your guesses up, then you're free to assume anything.

 

[Jordan8]

Originally Posted by Fro B Giant

"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ."

The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then
asks one of his new students to stand.

"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes sir," the student says.

"So you believe in God?"

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a
moment.

"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and
you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you
could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He
doesn't, does he?

My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed
to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

The student remains silent.

"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of
water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

"Let's start again, young fella Is God good?"

"Er... yes," the student says.

"Is Satan good?"

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

"Then where does Satan come from?"

The student: "From... God..."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there
evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"

"Yes."

"So who created evil?"

The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God
created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our
works define who we are, then God is evil."

Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: "Is
there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do
they exist in this world?"

The student: "Yes."

"So who created them?"

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his
question. "Who created them?

There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace
in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

"Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in
Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice is confident: "Yes, professor, I do."

The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use
to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"

"No sir. I've never seen Him"

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir, I have not."

"Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt
your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God
for that matter?"

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"Yes."

"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that,
son?"

"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."

"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem
science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of
his own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"And is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No sir, there isn't."

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The
room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

"You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat,
unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have
anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no
heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as
cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.
Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is
only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,
sounding like a hammer.

"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if
it isn't darkness?"

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and
it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the
word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make
darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This
will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed
to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed?
Can you explain how?"

"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains.
"You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad
God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we
can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To
view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death
cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just
the absence of it."
"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they
evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young
man, yes, of course I do"

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he
realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not
teaching your opinion , sir?

Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the
commotion has subsided.

"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student,
let me give you an example of what I mean."

The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who
has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.

"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt
the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain?

No one appears to have done so.

So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due
respect, sir.

So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your
lectures, sir?"

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student,
his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess
you'll have to take them on faith."

"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists
with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as
evil?"

Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see
it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man.

It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the
world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least
it does not exist unto itself.

Evil is simply the absence of God . It is just like darkness and
cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.

God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart.

It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness
that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

/THREAD 

 

[hohlegend]

Everyone who posts on here should have their age next to the post count just so me we who and who not to take serious

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by HOHLegend

Everyone who posts on here should have their age next to the post count just so me we who and who not to take serious

The age of a poster does not invalidate the legitimacy of their rationality. 

 

[jimmybeanz]

Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by HOHLegend

Everyone who posts on here should have their age next to the post count just so me we who and who not to take serious

The age of a poster does not invalidate the legitimacy of their rationality. 

sorry, did you post the atheist white supremacy group you belong to yet?

 

[sillyputty]

This is basically all I've heard from "believers"

jimmybeanz wrote:

---

sillyputty wrote:

---

HOHLegend wrote:

---

Everyone who posts on here should have their age next to the post count just so me we who and who not to take serious

The age of a poster does not invalidate the legitimacy of their rationality. 
sorry, did you post the atheist white supremacy group you belong to yet? 


That was sarcasm... 

 ...and i'm a black male FYI.
In any case, I only said that to illustrate the point that since you all want to be free to "believe" anything you want, I can say that white people are better than blacks, asians, and indians...and I can't EVER be wrong because I "believe" it. 

 

[jimmybeanz]

Originally Posted by sillyputty


This is basically all I've heard from "believers"

jimmybeanz wrote:

---

sillyputty wrote:

---

The age of a poster does not invalidate the legitimacy of their rationality. 

That was sarcasm... 

 ...and i'm a black male FYI.
In any case, I only said that to illustrate the point that since you all want to be free to "believe" anything you want, I can say that white people are better than blacks, asians, and indians...and I can't EVER be wrong because I "believe" it. 

my "opinion" is that you need counseling.  who do you think you are that everyone should "believe" what you say?  *$*%@.  you've lost your credibility.  

 

[nocomment6]

thats hilarious.

 

[lol]

I'm down to worship spiderman. He's cool.

 

[skysthelimithp]

Originally Posted by lol

I'm down to worship spiderman. He's cool.

im with it...he rocks red and blue, neutral is good

 

[mycoldyourdone]

im here.

 

[antonlavey]

 

[Jordan8]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by Fro B Giant

"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ."

The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then
asks one of his new students to stand.

"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes sir," the student says.

"So you believe in God?"

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a
moment.

"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and
you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you
could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He
doesn't, does he?

My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed
to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

The student remains silent.

"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of
water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

"Let's start again, young fella Is God good?"

"Er... yes," the student says.

"Is Satan good?"

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

"Then where does Satan come from?"

The student: "From... God..."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there
evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"

"Yes."

"So who created evil?"

The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God
created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our
works define who we are, then God is evil."

Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: "Is
there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do
they exist in this world?"

The student: "Yes."

"So who created them?"

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his
question. "Who created them?

There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace
in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

"Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in
Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice is confident: "Yes, professor, I do."

The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use
to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"

"No sir. I've never seen Him"

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir, I have not."

"Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt
your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God
for that matter?"

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"Yes."

"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that,
son?"

"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."

"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem
science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of
his own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"And is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No sir, there isn't."

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The
room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

"You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat,
unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have
anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no
heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as
cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.
Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is
only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,
sounding like a hammer.

"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if
it isn't darkness?"

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and
it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the
word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make
darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This
will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed
to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed?
Can you explain how?"

"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains.
"You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad
God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we
can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To
view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death
cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just
the absence of it."
"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they
evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young
man, yes, of course I do"

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he
realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not
teaching your opinion , sir?

Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the
commotion has subsided.

"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student,
let me give you an example of what I mean."

The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who
has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.

"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt
the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain?

No one appears to have done so.

So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due
respect, sir.

So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your
lectures, sir?"

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student,
his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess
you'll have to take them on faith."

"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists
with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as
evil?"

Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see
it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man.

It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the
world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least
it does not exist unto itself.

Evil is simply the absence of God . It is just like darkness and
cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.

God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart.

It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness
that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

/THREAD 

 

[antonlavey]

^^^^

@ PEOPLE quoting that in desperation that maybe it will somehow make it true


OMG we finally found an argument that may challenge rational thinking and logic

We saw it Cartune, calm the hell down