**NBA FINALS THREAD - RAPTORS DEFY GRAVITY**

[buc em]

Ben averages 17-9-8 right now playing with four other 17 PPG scorers.

If you don’t think he could average 6 more PPG along with with one more rebound and two more assists if he played on a team whose next best players are Lavert and Dinwiddie you might be drunk.

 

[getback]

23-25 PPG? Can't think of the last person to do that without a jump shot. Shaq?

 

[B Sox]

We blaming presti for Russ never improving his shooting, too? Or his shot selection?

Very poor player development over the years by OKC, IMO.

 

[bostoiah]

If Ben was on a team where he had a complete green light to do literally whatever he wanted with no real expectations and didn’t have to defer to an Embiid, Jimmy or Tobias as scorers then he’d be averaging somewhere around a 23-25 point triple double right now. As well as playing the same elite defense he already plays.

LMAO

Foh

 

[MVP]

Must be 2 Ben Simmons

 

[buc em]

Then please, genius posters, enlighten me on how many PPG you think Ben would average if he didn’t have Embiid, Jimmy and Tobias and had the green light to do whatever he wanted with zero expectations.

 

[xxpizzo]

Ben averages 17-9-8 right now playing with four other 17 PPG scorers.

If you don’t think he could average 6 more PPG along with with one more rebound and two more assists if he played on a team whose next best players are Lavert and Dinwiddie you might be drunk.

bruh these the same dudes who stay quiet when ben has a good game. they go into hiding

dont even go back and forth with them

enjoy the game tonight brodie

 

[bostoiah]

Then please, genius posters, enlighten me on how many PPG you think Ben would average if he didn’t have Embiid, Jimmy and Tobias and had the green light to do whatever he wanted with zero expectations.

Around the same statistics

Dude said 25PPG triple double

Cmon son

 

[nick.]

 

[kingfoamnyc]

I think Ben EASILY averages 21, 8, 8 on a team where he has the green light.

 

[abematic]

Ben averages 17-9-8 right now playing with four other 17 PPG scorers.

If you don’t think he could average 6 more PPG along with with one more rebound and two more assists if he played on a team whose next best players are Lavert and Dinwiddie you might be drunk.

Bc Ben who four other 17 PPG scorers, he can average that. Now if he doesn’t have them, hmmmm. Nahhhh

 

[xxpizzo]

whats this prove ?

Nets ran the same defense in game 3..

31 pts without a jumpshot

legit only his 2nd year AND still learning the ins and outs

yall just love to hate.. let it flow my guys

 

[nick.]

whats this prove ?

Nets ran the same defense in game 3..

31 pts without a jumpshot

legit only his 2nd year AND still learning the ins and outs

yall just love to hate.. let it flow my guys

I like Simmons

It'll always be jokes >>> facts though

 

[VARNELL HILL]

This is from last season

Brett Brown has staggered his rotation to keep Simmons in the mix when Embiid sits and toggled between Amir Johnson, Richaun Holmes, and Dario Saric as backup centers. The most common result is implosion. Lineups featuring Simmons but not Embiid eat about nine points per 100 possessions on average, a devastating figure that unwinds much of Philadelphia's best work.

It's then that Simmons hits the wall. Compare the situational effectiveness of various Sixers and you'll find that players like Saric, J.J. Redick, and Robert Covington perform pretty similarly both in these lineups and out. Their shooting percentages, in particular, go almost untouched. Not so for Simmons, whose 60.5% true shooting with Embiid on the floor craters to 46.6% when Embiid sits. That difference is a chasm— similar to the margin in efficiency between Chris Paul and Dion Waiters.

Without Embiid, the shape of the defense changes. Help against Simmons comes more readily and stays for a beat longer, unbothered by the threat of Johnson catching the ball around the rim. Defenders edge in all over the floor. Redick and Covington may have the league's respect, but the goal is to crowd the paint and then run them off the line, forcing less natural ball handlers to make critical plays

But sure...give him his own team and he's averaging a 20 point triple double

 

[getback]

Then please, genius posters, enlighten me on how many PPG you think Ben would average if he didn’t have Embiid, Jimmy and Tobias and had the green light to do whatever he wanted with zero expectations.

He's not a legit scoring threat. You make it seem like he can get buckets at will. The man doesn't have a jump shot. Aussie Rondo.

 

[MVP]

I think Ben EASILY averages 21, 8, 8 on a team where he has the green light.

Him having the green light means he gets a jumper? Cause one would think the game is much easier for him now with all the other threats on the floor. Him by himself with this severely limited skillset on offense = just packing the paint on him every single time.

 

[xxpizzo]

I like Simmons

It'll always be jokes >>> facts though

ill give you that the jokes do be on point no doubt

he 100% needs a jumper but what hes doing atm is working with our team we have built.. now if it switches up sure ill be here with yall and joking

 

[JD617]

Pat Beverly went on record on the knuckle heads pod today saying that the three toughest covers in the league are:

Dame- Pat elaborated on this and said if Dame played for a different coach like Dantoni it would be a wrap for everybody. He also said that people are only getting a LITTLE TASTE of what Dame is capable of.

Russ

kemba- he elaborated on this and said that due to his weak teammates you can just trap Kemba to subdue him.

Funny how Kyrie isn’t on this list from arguably the best perimeter defender in the league.

You don't think it's a factor that he's played against Kyrie a total of 7 times in 6 years, as opposed to 26 times against Lillard and 20 times against Russ, including playoff battles?

 

[Clyde Frog]

Looks like he already has the green light to me

 

[VARNELL HILL]

Him having the green light means he gets a jumper? Cause one would think the game is much easier for him now with all the other threats on the floor. Him by himself with this severely limited skillset on offense = just packing the paint on him every single time.

Right

It's not as a simple as saying "take away the other good players on the team and he'll average this".

That's actually going to make it MORE difficult on him

 

[Kinfolk]

You don't think it's a factor that he's played against Kyrie a total of 7 times in 6 years, as opposed to 26 times against Lillard and 20 times against Russ, including playoff battles?

No.

He put Kemba on the list, I know you saw that part.

I didn’t know too much about Pat before listening to that pod.

If you just go off of how he acts on the floor most will think he’s a pest and hate him.

He’s a thoughtful and objective dude. So again, no..

 

[Based Jesus]

Right

It's not as a simple as saying "take away the other good players on the team and he'll average this".

That's actually going to make it MORE difficult on him

A mother****ing 20+ point triple double *****

 

[amitt5504]

buc em with the shirt off hot takes
X xxpizzo with the trash talk

 

[trynafeelmink]

Ben averages 17-9-8 right now playing with four other 17 PPG scorers.

If you don’t think he could average 6 more PPG along with with one more rebound and two more assists if he played on a team whose next best players are Lavert and Dinwiddie you might be drunk.

and somewhere you didn't think to consider that a dude with a non existent Jumpshot who goes through phases of being aggressive or not Wouldn't be hampered by being the #1 scoring option with Defenses zero'd in on him? Or that Passing lanes would be clgged if he didn't have three other guys who can get 20? Or That he would have a much harder time getting boards if defenses weren't paying so much attention to keeping Embiid off the glass?

 

[VARNELL HILL]

A **********ing 20+ point triple double *****

This is all grade A bulletin board material for when they got tossed and he puts up a few duds

We gonna see how much "Philly vs Everybody" there is in a couple weeks