**NBA FINALS THREAD - RAPTORS DEFY GRAVITY**

Who Will Win it All?

  • Warriors

    Votes: 86 53.4%
  • Bucks

    Votes: 27 16.8%
  • Raptors

    Votes: 9 5.6%
  • Nuggets

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Rockets

    Votes: 13 8.1%
  • Sixers

    Votes: 5 3.1%
  • Celtics

    Votes: 6 3.7%
  • Clippers

    Votes: 5 3.1%
  • Other West Team

    Votes: 6 3.7%
  • Other East Team

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Total voters
    161
  • Poll closed .
You guys are complete idiots. Instead of keeping Ben and preparing for the next 1-2 years when embiid falls apart, you’d rather trade a guy in his third season. Ben is the future, surrounded by shooters and a big man who runs the floor

I’ll taje the bet that Ben develops a shot over Joel’s health any day
Ben ain’t developing a shot. It’s been 3 years. He still shoots with the wrong hand.
 
:lol: ahhhh I forgot. That would be a good look but I doubt they would move him. The other two are legit possibilities.



What you’re saying sounds good in theory but we’ve actually seen Embiid dominate (if healthy) when the offense is catered to him. Then Ben-centric offense would be way more ideal long-term but getting the pieces may be difficult.
It isn’t that difficult. Last year you had Covington, redick saric bellinelli and ilyasova and when Joel was out Ben was running.

Jimmy was the piece Ben was missing. A second ball handler
 
It isn’t that difficult. Last year you had Covington, redick saric bellinelli and ilyasova and when Joel was out Ben was running.

Jimmy was the piece Ben was missing. A second ball handler
And so was Fultz. Ben doesn’t want a second ball handler. When he’s off ball he plays disengaged
 
Yea because Simmons can’t run a half court offense. I been saying this since the beginning of the season

Replace Simmons with a competent guard *cough cough* Jrue Holiday *cough cough* and the ceiling drastically improves

Jrue holiday
Lou will
Iggy
Thad young
Vucevic

That team goes to the ECF at minimum this season..
 
Bleh lol just gimme Jrue back

You gotta admit it's pretty funny in hindsight :lol:. That team is no worse than a 3 seed right now. Lou will and vuc probably put you over this Toronto team. Iggy and young may not slow down Kawhi but neither is Simmons and offensively that's a wash. Jrue would dominate Lowry. And yall had Jodie Meeks :lol. That team with Elton brand is better than this team with Elton brand. Damn..
 
You gotta admit it's pretty funny in hindsight :lol:. That team is no worse than a 3 seed right now. Lou will and vuc probably put you over this Toronto team. Iggy and young may not slow down Kawhi but neither is Simmons and offensively that's a wash. Jrue would dominate Lowry. That team with Elton brand is better than this team with Elton brand. Damn..
It is funny. Just not falling for it lol

All this is on BB/Simmons PG nonsense
 
At this point, Kyrie is overextending himself. He THINKS he needs to do more but in actuality, he’s not a leader IMO.

He’s my 2nd favorite player after Kawhi but man. He runs his mouth toooooo much. Based off his skills, to a man, you’d respect him off skills alone but I wouldn’t be able to take his leadership dialogue seriously. Like he’s bland and hollow AF. Almost soulless. He needs to be a better passer too.

Kyrie my guy but he’s better suited as a 1b or HIGH LEVEL 2nd option
 
Lol man the way this dude Simmons comes down court with the ball you would think he’s elite.

Too bad he’s trash.
 
This Ben Simmons aka Walking Triple Single slander is some good stuff. I haven’t seen someone so universally hated in this thread since that racist @Duke330 dude. I still have a feeling that buc em buc em is going to swoop in and defend him.

Based on what I’ve seen, Embiid is an unproductive offseason and unimproved/injury riddled 2019-2020 season away from the turn.

There’s no defending Ben’s effort/passiveness. It’s like he’s so scared of looking bad by Kawhi ripping him or somebody blocking him at the rim that he’d rather just not even attempt it and just pass it out and let somebody else try. Ben can do whatever he wants vs about 70-80% of the league. But certain teams he’s just completely ineffective against because of his lack of will vs them when they actually have defenders to put a body on him and a smart gameplan.

I’m sick and ******* tired of Embiid being sick and tired but the dude averaged 28 and 14 this year, he’s improved plenty over his first couple years and still plays elite defense. The issue with him has absolutely nothing to do with his play, but all to do with there seemingly ALWAYS being something wrong with him. Other than MJ’s Flu Game I cant remember a single star player in the history of the NBA that was making the excuse of being sick in the middle of the playoffs like this. This man hitting up Brett Brown at 6AM on gameday saying he might not be able to play a playoff game because he’s sick is one of the most ridiculous things in sports I’ve ever heard. He has so much growing up to do.
 
You can hate on regular season Butler all you want, but that man shows up in the playoffs and thats really all that matters.

Simmons gotta go though. Trade him while he still has value.

Raymond Felton can run that team better.
 
They gon have to think hard on who to deal. Embiid probably makes more sense if he doesn't lose any weight
Think hard?

Embiid is the once in a lifetime talent. Simmons is nothing more than a 6’9 Corliss Williamson with a handle
 
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