NBA Off-Season News Thread: Roy extends 80/5, AI to Grizz, Chandler/Okafor swap, Marquis to C's.

[bigmike23]

if you think adding lee,boozer or Millsap makes your team a playoff in a stack west then your a bigger homer then i gave you credit for

 

[bhzmafia14]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

if you think adding lee,boozer or Millsap makes your team a playoff in a stack west then your a bigger homer then i gave you credit for

If OJ and Rudy don't get better together as players, then the team won't be going anywhere. This team is relying on them to show up next season. If they show up, play team ball, improve on their weaknesses, etc. then the other guys can do their job. If they continue to look lost (especially Rudy) and OJ doesn't get freedom to dominate the ball then expect the same results.


Them alone won't get Memphis to the playoffs.

Memphis needs:
-veteran help at PG
-another shooter
-starting caliber pf

like i said if oj and rudy get their act together, then they won't be a playoff team, but they will be in the 40 win range. what i don't get is whyits so hard to believe that this team with more help thru free agency won't make the playoffs when the team they had years ago made it 3 straight years andwas not much better.

jwill/watson

miller/bonzi

battier/posey

gasol/swift

wright/tsakalidis

most of those players were young with the exception of wright,jwill and posey. that was the same memphis team that won 28 games in 02-03 and the next season won 50 games because they traded for miller and bonzi and signedposey.

and let me re-phrase that before people think im going crazy. no, i don't think memphis will make the playoffs next season. i think they will take a hugeleap from this past season IF they make the right moves in free agency.

 

[babyfacedassassin31]

Worst thing that happened to the early 2000s Grizzlies was when Hubie had to retire due to health issues had he stayed I think things would have been verydifferent after all if he can make JWill lead the league in assist/turnover ratio he could do anything in my book.

That team was great just couldnt get past the Suns

Jerry West got JWill from Sacto draft day trade for Pau & Wright drafted Shane traded for Miller and Bonzi giving up only Gooden and Girecek who were bothrookies he signed Posey,Watson and also Rodney Buford and got Wesley Person from the Cavs.

If Hubie had stayed another full year theyd have done well Mike Fratello came in and didnt get on with players and thats when they traded Posey and JWill toMiami and we know wat happened there and they sent Swift and Shane to Houston , Bonzi went to Sacto.

Thanks to Fratello that team got broke up way b4 they should have that hire was the worst decision since they landed in Memphis.

Iam a huge JWill fan and have over 100 games on tape from his years in Memphis and they were alot better than people gave them credit for they just never gotmuch national attention.

Peace
Scottie

 

[bhzmafia14]

But, just to make sure, we took time to get the opposing view. And here's the latest: The Heat on Saturday said it was the Grizzlies that contacted it and tried to trade the No. 2 pick for Michael Beasley, not the other way around. A Heat spokesman confirmed that it was the Grizzlies who made the overtures.

In addition, that same report in the Commercial Appeal said that the Heat offered starting point guard Mario Chalmers for the No. 27 pick. Again, a Heat spokesman quickly corrected that it was Memphis that attempted to peddle No. 27 pick for Chalmers.
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_baske...y-for-no-2.html

So, Wallace was the ambitious one.

[h3][/h3]

[h3]Did the Heat offer Beasley for No. 2? (Updated!)
[/h3]
[h3]> Posted by Ira Winderman on June 27, 2009 12:12 PM[/h3]

In the wake of the NBA Draft, you start to hear rumors about what teams supposedly were attempting to do. Such after-the-fact stuff generally has little shelf life, either because the speculation is inaccurate or, by that point, meaningless.

And yet, it was not easy to simply dismiss a report in Saturday's Memphis Commercial Appeal that said the Heat, on draft night, offered Michael Beasley for the No. 2 overall selection. We generally tend to believe reports connected, even if somewhat obtusely, to Grizzlies General Manager Chris Wallace (pictured below), the former Heat personnel executive.

But, just to make sure, we took time to get the opposing view. And here's the latest: The Heat on Saturday said it was the Grizzlies that contacted it and tried to trade the No. 2 pick for Michael Beasley, not the other way around. A Heat spokesman confirmed that it was the Grizzlies who made the overtures.

In addition, that same report in the Commercial Appeal said that the Heat offered starting point guard Mario Chalmers for the No. 27 pick. Again, a Heat spokesman quickly corrected that it was Memphis that attempted to peddle No. 27 pick for Chalmers.

That part of the corrected equation makes plenty of sense. Chalmers, according to numerous insiders, has been the star of the Heat's offseason workouts.

Still, what we know now is that the Grizzlies have interest in Beasley, that there, indeed, is a market for the forward. What we've always known is the pervading sense that Heat President Pat Riley has never been totally comfortable with Beasley, seemingly cornered into selecting him at No. 2 in 2008. Recall, in advance of that selection last June, all the posturing when it came to O.J. Mayo and even Brook Lopez. And, make no mistake, the choice would have been Derrick Rose if the point guard had not gone at No. 1 to the Bulls.

The fallout? Apparently Riley can have No. 2 pick Hasheem Thabeet for Beasley. Riley, in a conversation a week ago, did stress how he was, is and will remain a center guy. Remember, Riley's first rebuilding project with the Heat came behind the shot blocking and rebounding of Alonzo Mourning.

Beasley for Thabeet? Nah, wouldn't do it. Somehow, it's nice to have players who also can score the ball.

And so goes another day of NBA rumors and surprisingly swift Heat reaction.

 

[M. Fresh]

might be nothing but the rumor around sa is sheed was spotted at the airport and around town

 

[lil stevie728]

Orlando should go after Ike Diogu instead of Bass.

 

[youngtriz]

Originally Posted by bhzmafia14

But, just to make sure, we took time to get the opposing view. And here's the latest: The Heat on Saturday said it was the Grizzlies that contacted it and tried to trade the No. 2 pick for Michael Beasley, not the other way around. A Heat spokesman confirmed that it was the Grizzlies who made the overtures.

In addition, that same report in the Commercial Appeal said that the Heat offered starting point guard Mario Chalmers for the No. 27 pick. Again, a Heat spokesman quickly corrected that it was Memphis that attempted to peddle No. 27 pick for Chalmers.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_baske...y-for-no-2.html

So, Wallace was the ambitious one.

[h3][/h3]

[h3]Did the Heat offer Beasley for No. 2? (Updated!)
[/h3]
[h3]> Posted by Ira Winderman on June 27, 2009 12:12 PM[/h3]

In the wake of the NBA Draft, you start to hear rumors about what teams supposedly were attempting to do. Such after-the-fact stuff generally has little shelf life, either because the speculation is inaccurate or, by that point, meaningless.

And yet, it was not easy to simply dismiss a report in Saturday's Memphis Commercial Appeal that said the Heat, on draft night, offered Michael Beasley for the No. 2 overall selection. We generally tend to believe reports connected, even if somewhat obtusely, to Grizzlies General Manager Chris Wallace (pictured below), the former Heat personnel executive.

But, just to make sure, we took time to get the opposing view. And here's the latest: The Heat on Saturday said it was the Grizzlies that contacted it and tried to trade the No. 2 pick for Michael Beasley, not the other way around. A Heat spokesman confirmed that it was the Grizzlies who made the overtures.

In addition, that same report in the Commercial Appeal said that the Heat offered starting point guard Mario Chalmers for the No. 27 pick. Again, a Heat spokesman quickly corrected that it was Memphis that attempted to peddle No. 27 pick for Chalmers.

That part of the corrected equation makes plenty of sense. Chalmers, according to numerous insiders, has been the star of the Heat's offseason workouts.

Still, what we know now is that the Grizzlies have interest in Beasley, that there, indeed, is a market for the forward. What we've always known is the pervading sense that Heat President Pat Riley has never been totally comfortable with Beasley, seemingly cornered into selecting him at No. 2 in 2008. Recall, in advance of that selection last June, all the posturing when it came to O.J. Mayo and even Brook Lopez. And, make no mistake, the choice would have been Derrick Rose if the point guard had not gone at No. 1 to the Bulls.

The fallout? Apparently Riley can have No. 2 pick Hasheem Thabeet for Beasley. Riley, in a conversation a week ago, did stress how he was, is and will remain a center guy. Remember, Riley's first rebuilding project with the Heat came behind the shot blocking and rebounding of Alonzo Mourning.

Beasley for Thabeet? Nah, wouldn't do it. Somehow, it's nice to have players who also can score the ball.

And so goes another day of NBA rumors and surprisingly swift Heat reaction.

THANK YOURILEY!!!!!!!!.... i knew you couldnt be that dumb... and for whats is worth... after the work out that beasley did for the heat... they said HE WAS THE MANTHEY WANTED... there is a couple videos of the heat cheering when rose got drafted because how bad they wanted beasley...they used OJ's work out rightbefore the draft to set up a smoke screen...

 

[youngtriz]

any news on A.I. or bosh...

 

[dlo13]

I had 3 people text me last night about a Josh Smith for Amare rumor. It was somewhere between 11-midnight, I'm guessing Sportscenter said something on it?Anybody?

 

[gtownballer23]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

if you think adding lee,boozer or Millsap makes your team a playoff in a stack west then your a bigger homer then i gave you credit for

Orlando should go after Ike Diogu instead of Bass.

Word is they may offer Rasheed too. That would be crazy since Magic fans have hated Sheed for the past 5 years. Looks like Hedo is def going to be gone.

 

[bangdak]

he was going to be gone from the start.

 

[i nasmatic i]

Heard both Hedo and Andre Miller in a sign-and-trade that would send Steve Blake, who played for EJordan in D.C., to Phi
Ric Bucher mentioned this on his Twitter...not much to go off of, but eh just something to contribute.

 

[jdb1523]

Judging by Villanueva's twitter he wants out

 

[bangdak]

Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I

Heard both Hedo and Andre Miller in a sign-and-trade that would send Steve Blake, who played for EJordan in D.C., to Phi

Ric Bucher mentioned this on his Twitter...not much to go off of, but eh just something to contribute.

i dont get this.
so, blazers send steve blake to philly, hedo goes to the blazers, and miller goes to orlando...? what on earth....someone tell me im just mixing things up

 

[kookcle]

Orlando just got rid of Rafer now they want Miller? I dont get that rumor

 

[i nasmatic i]

Miller and Turk would go to Portland.

 

[bangdak]

not bad for portland. with sergio gone, that means bayless gets some burn.
but what does orlando get back...?
nas, is this deal a rumor or confirmed. if confirmed,

 

[i nasmatic i]

It's just something Bucher got word of. It could be total BS for all we know.

Portland could send Philly Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster ($9M) for Miller then take Turkoglu for basically nothing because they're under the cap byabout an additional $9M. That's how I think it could work anyways.

 

[bigmike23]

tell me why one of Lebrons boys is at the awards show with him with a "i love NY" shirt on

 

[shuges]

Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I


Preferably, I want Memphis to aim for tough, veteran defensive minded players. There's enough scoring and youth with Gasol, Gay, Mayo and Conley. It's why I'm against bringing in players like Villanueva, Amare and Z-Bo.

This is EXACTLY why I hated OKC taking Harden. How many scorers do they think they need over there?

Russ, KD, and Green are all able to put the ball in the hole. And I think Westbrook is gonna have a better year shooting-wise this season. So why did they nottry to trade up and get the 2nd pick (Hasheem) or simply trade down and get some bigs?
And judging from Harden's demeanor ("I don't need to prove anything"), he's coming in with a chip on his shoulder trying to establishhimself. Can anyone say "chemistry issues"?

Originally Posted by Kookcle

Orlando just got rid of Rafer now they want Miller? I dont get that rumor

Miller is light years ahead of Skip as far as running a team is concerned.

 

[i nasmatic i]

Originally Posted by SHUGES

Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I


Preferably, I want Memphis to aim for tough, veteran defensive minded players. There's enough scoring and youth with Gasol, Gay, Mayo and Conley. It's why I'm against bringing in players like Villanueva, Amare and Z-Bo.

This is EXACTLY why I hated OKC taking Harden. How many scorers do they think they need over there?

Russ, KD, and Green are all able to put the ball in the hole. And I think Westbrook is gonna have a better year shooting-wise this season. So why did they not try to trade up and get the 2nd pick (Hasheem) or simply trade down and get some bigs?
And judging from Harden's demeanor ("I don't need to prove anything"), he's coming in with a chip on his shoulder trying to establish himself. Can anyone say "chemistry issues"?

James isn't just a scorer though, he's a good all around player. He'll be able to bring the ball up the floor and set up the offenseso Westbrook can play off the ball. Plus, remember what everybody was saying about James in March? "Why the hell did he wait so long to try and score? Whydidn't he try and take over sooner?" Well, that line of reasoning is probably one reason why Presti took James. He's unselfish to a fault. He hasno problem setting up his teammates. I saw him do it in practice and games. If he can be the all around threat he was at ASU with mediocre talent (besidesPendergraph), he'll do well with Durant, Green and Westbrook. Plus they got B.J. Mullens with #25 to hopefully fill that hole at center. There was noother big man that they could have traded down to fill the hole at center.

 

[holdenmichael]

Portland could send Philly Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster ($9M) for Miller then take Turkoglu for basically nothing because they're under the cap by about an additional $9M. That's how I think it could work anyways.


If they have the cap space, there's no need to do a sign-and-trade. So, Portland would be:

G Miller, Bayless
G Roy, Fernandez, Webster
C Przybilla, Oden
F Aldridge
F Turkoglu, Batum

I'm not sure who else they could get at PG, but Blake, Webster, and Outlaw ($13,274,000 combined) seems like a steep price to pay for a 33-year-old Miller.I have to figure that it's just two out of those three players. It's probably Blake and Outlaw ($8,930,000 combined) because their contracts expireafter this season.

The trade would leave Philly with:

G Blake
G Iguodala, Williams, Green
C Dalembert
F Brand, Speights, Smith
F Young, Outlaw, Kapono

Miller is light years ahead of Skip as far as running a team is concerned.


That misses the point. Rafer was a stop gap solution for a team that lost its starting, All-Star point guard. Trading for Miller makes no sensebecause they don't need a starter and Miller isn't a back up. Regardless, it appears Portland is the destination.

 

[bhzmafia14]

Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I

Originally Posted by SHUGES

Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I


Preferably, I want Memphis to aim for tough, veteran defensive minded players. There's enough scoring and youth with Gasol, Gay, Mayo and Conley. It's why I'm against bringing in players like Villanueva, Amare and Z-Bo.

This is EXACTLY why I hated OKC taking Harden. How many scorers do they think they need over there?

Russ, KD, and Green are all able to put the ball in the hole. And I think Westbrook is gonna have a better year shooting-wise this season. So why did they not try to trade up and get the 2nd pick (Hasheem) or simply trade down and get some bigs?
And judging from Harden's demeanor ("I don't need to prove anything"), he's coming in with a chip on his shoulder trying to establish himself. Can anyone say "chemistry issues"?

James isn't just a scorer though, he's a good all around player. He'll be able to bring the ball up the floor and set up the offense so Westbrook can play off the ball. Plus, remember what everybody was saying about James in March? "Why the hell did he wait so long to try and score? Why didn't he try and take over sooner?" Well, that line of reasoning is probably one reason why Presti took James. He's unselfish to a fault. He has no problem setting up his teammates. I saw him do it in practice and games. If he can be the all around threat he was at ASU with mediocre talent (besides Pendergraph), he'll do well with Durant, Green and Westbrook. Plus they got B.J. Mullens with #25 to hopefully fill that hole at center. There was no other big man that they could have traded down to fill the hole at center.

I just thought about something...Memphis was 29th in the league in scoring.

They have only OJ and Rudy in the starting lineup that can give them points. Adding another scoring PF such as Charlie V wouldn't be a bad thingas long as you have a big man to anchor the defense. Its not about how many scorers you have, its about how well they will grow and play together. With OJ andRudy basically spending most of the off-season together, they just might come back on the same page. Memphis has plenty of blue collar, tough guys now withYoung, Carroll, Arthur and Gasol. Then you have the defense added as well with Thabeet.

Also, I don't see Portland being able to get both Turk and Miller. One of them would have to take a paycut. I mean they barely have enough money to offerTurk. Remember how MEmphis 'got em' with the Darius Miles signing? I believe they only have like a little bit less than what Turkoglu asking price willbe.

 

[dlo13]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

tell me why one of Lebrons boys is at the awards show with him with a "i love NY" shirt on

Dude had the Yankees fitted, too. Can't tell me LeBron doesn't love torturing these CLE fans...

 

[duba169]

Originally Posted by DLo13

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

tell me why one of Lebrons boys is at the awards show with him with a "i love NY" shirt on

Dude had the Yankees fitted, too. Can't tell me LeBron doesn't love torturing these CLE fans...

or he loves torturing us new york fans

false hope