NBA Off-Season News Thread: Roy extends 80/5, AI to Grizz, Chandler/Okafor swap, Marquis to C's.

Hoopsworld's top 5 SFs:
1. LeBron James, Cleveland: As if there was any doubt whom would be mentioned first in this discussion. At 24-years-old and an MVP candidate, James is the best player at his position and averaged 28.4 points per game, shooting 48 % from the field for the Cavaliers while also being named to the NBA All-Defensive Team for the first time in his six-year career. While confiscating dunk tapes and defending snubbing handshakes dominated James' summer, this coming season - and with the help of Shaquille O'Neal in Cleveland - LeBron will once again be all about chasing a ring. But for now, he's simply the best small forward in the NBA. No question about it.




2. Carmelo Anthony, Denver: Following "King James" is never easy. Yet if there was one guy who is familiar with the role (after he was selected two spots after James in the 2003 NBA Draft) and capable of playing second fiddle at small forward in this league to LeBron, it's Melo. Last season, Carmelo not only led Denver to the second-best record in the Western Conference, but he did so with his most well rounded season as a pro. He showed improvement defensively (even though no one is going to confuse him with Ron Artest) and averaged 22.8 points per game, while putting up his best numbers from beyond the arc at roughly 37%. How the Nuggets fair this coming season though - and towards a playoff push - will once again be a reflection of Anthony and his ability to keep adding to an already impressive resume. Something says Carmelo will be down for raising his game.




3. Paul Pierce, Boston: In this "Top 5" list - and excluding honorable mentions - Pierce is the lone player with a championship ring, not to mention NBA Finals MVP honors. An eight-time all-star and one of Boston's "Big Three, Pierce's numbers are simply impressive throughout his 10-seasons in the league. With a career-average of 22.9 points, 6.3 rebounds and 3.9 assists per game, Pierce is one of the more complete players in the game today given his ability to defend, rebound and score. If - and that is the key word here - Kevin Garnett sheds his fragility and Rasheed Wallace adjusts well to the Celtics, it's possible Pierce - who shot 45% from the field and averaged 20.5 points per game last season - could be in-line for another ring fitting. And that's "The Truth."




4. Ron Artest, Los Angeles: You may not like him or the way he plays, but you sure as heck have to respect and appreciate Ron Artest for what he brings to the small forward position. At 6'7 and 260 pounds, he is still the league's best defender. No doubt about it. As for his offense, Artest shot 40% from 3-point land despite his scoring average dipping to 17.1 points per game (which is down from his two previous seasons). Yet Artest's smothering defense remains his calling card and certainly gives the Los Angeles Lakers a leg-up in coming out of the West again next season. Right now, they are the team to beat. And while the Lakers lineup of Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol was outstanding last season, the addition of Artest makes Los Angeles a team poised to repeat.





5. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City: The Portland Trail Blazers will never admit they should have selected Durant with the first overall pick back in 2007. But the way this kid put up numbers in his second year, it's worth arguing someone missed the boat. The 2007-08 NBA Rookie of the Year, Durant averaged over 25 points per game last season and easily made his mark at all-star weekend in Phoenix by taking home the MVP trophy from the T-Mobile Rookie Challenge & Youth Jam. It was that February that Durant blew up: for the month, he averaged 30 points per game, shot 54% from the field, 51% on 3-pointers and 88% from the line. Now many will debate Durant's place on this list, likely arguing a number of honorable mentions should be here instead. But after seeing what the 6'10 small forward has done in two years, and knowing he'll only get better with age and experience in Oklahoma City, Durant is worthy of a perfect pick.





Honorable Mentions: Danny Granger, Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, Hedo Turkoglu, Shane Battier.

Indiana's Danny Granger was this close to cracking the "Top 5" list. He is coming off a career-year with the Pacers where he averaged 25.8 points per game, leaving one question to be asked: where does last season's Most Improved Player go from here?….Washington's Caron Butler is perhaps one of the most underrated players in the league today, let alone at small forward. Hopefully a return to all-star status will change that perception….With everything Detroit went through last season, Tayshaun Prince stayed an iron man. He appeared in all 82 games for the sixth straight season and started every game for the fifth straight season....Even though Hedo Turkoglu went sideways on the Portland Trail Blazers this summer, finishing last season as Orlando's best offensive threat was no joke. But can he do it again for Toronto?....Shane Battier, Shane Battier, Shane Battier.

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@ Durant not being #2.
 
Originally Posted by aubstuh86

AI + lobs to Crash and Chandler = WINS

not to mention they have a solid perimeter defender in raja bell so AI wont be caught up in mismatches no more. if ai goes to the bobcats they can sneak into the playoffs.
What happens if AI decides not to lob it. What if he just jacks it up?
 
Originally Posted by Tony Starks

Hoopsworld's top 5 SFs:
1. LeBron James, Cleveland: As if there was any doubt whom would be mentioned first in this discussion. At 24-years-old and an MVP candidate, James is the best player at his position and averaged 28.4 points per game, shooting 48 % from the field for the Cavaliers while also being named to the NBA All-Defensive Team for the first time in his six-year career. While confiscating dunk tapes and defending snubbing handshakes dominated James' summer, this coming season - and with the help of Shaquille O'Neal in Cleveland - LeBron will once again be all about chasing a ring. But for now, he's simply the best small forward in the NBA. No question about it.




2. Carmelo Anthony, Denver: Following "King James" is never easy. Yet if there was one guy who is familiar with the role (after he was selected two spots after James in the 2003 NBA Draft) and capable of playing second fiddle at small forward in this league to LeBron, it's Melo. Last season, Carmelo not only led Denver to the second-best record in the Western Conference, but he did so with his most well rounded season as a pro. He showed improvement defensively (even though no one is going to confuse him with Ron Artest) and averaged 22.8 points per game, while putting up his best numbers from beyond the arc at roughly 37%. How the Nuggets fair this coming season though - and towards a playoff push - will once again be a reflection of Anthony and his ability to keep adding to an already impressive resume. Something says Carmelo will be down for raising his game.




3. Paul Pierce, Boston: In this "Top 5" list - and excluding honorable mentions - Pierce is the lone player with a championship ring, not to mention NBA Finals MVP honors. An eight-time all-star and one of Boston's "Big Three, Pierce's numbers are simply impressive throughout his 10-seasons in the league. With a career-average of 22.9 points, 6.3 rebounds and 3.9 assists per game, Pierce is one of the more complete players in the game today given his ability to defend, rebound and score. If - and that is the key word here - Kevin Garnett sheds his fragility and Rasheed Wallace adjusts well to the Celtics, it's possible Pierce - who shot 45% from the field and averaged 20.5 points per game last season - could be in-line for another ring fitting. And that's "The Truth."




4. Ron Artest, Los Angeles: You may not like him or the way he plays, but you sure as heck have to respect and appreciate Ron Artest for what he brings to the small forward position. At 6'7 and 260 pounds, he is still the league's best defender. No doubt about it. As for his offense, Artest shot 40% from 3-point land despite his scoring average dipping to 17.1 points per game (which is down from his two previous seasons). Yet Artest's smothering defense remains his calling card and certainly gives the Los Angeles Lakers a leg-up in coming out of the West again next season. Right now, they are the team to beat. And while the Lakers lineup of Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol was outstanding last season, the addition of Artest makes Los Angeles a team poised to repeat.





5. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City: The Portland Trail Blazers will never admit they should have selected Durant with the first overall pick back in 2007. But the way this kid put up numbers in his second year, it's worth arguing someone missed the boat. The 2007-08 NBA Rookie of the Year, Durant averaged over 25 points per game last season and easily made his mark at all-star weekend in Phoenix by taking home the MVP trophy from the T-Mobile Rookie Challenge & Youth Jam. It was that February that Durant blew up: for the month, he averaged 30 points per game, shot 54% from the field, 51% on 3-pointers and 88% from the line. Now many will debate Durant's place on this list, likely arguing a number of honorable mentions should be here instead. But after seeing what the 6'10 small forward has done in two years, and knowing he'll only get better with age and experience in Oklahoma City, Durant is worthy of a perfect pick.





Honorable Mentions: Danny Granger, Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, Hedo Turkoglu, Shane Battier.

Indiana's Danny Granger was this close to cracking the "Top 5" list. He is coming off a career-year with the Pacers where he averaged 25.8 points per game, leaving one question to be asked: where does last season's Most Improved Player go from here?….Washington's Caron Butler is perhaps one of the most underrated players in the league today, let alone at small forward. Hopefully a return to all-star status will change that perception….With everything Detroit went through last season, Tayshaun Prince stayed an iron man. He appeared in all 82 games for the sixth straight season and started every game for the fifth straight season....Even though Hedo Turkoglu went sideways on the Portland Trail Blazers this summer, finishing last season as Orlando's best offensive threat was no joke. But can he do it again for Toronto?....Shane Battier, Shane Battier, Shane Battier.
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@ Durant not being #2.

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Durant is easily better than Pierce and Artest. Heshould be atleast #3
 
I agree that Melo should be ahead of Durant. And in my opinion Durant will be third fiddle for a while, that is until he starts working more on D, puts somemore weight on, and grabs some more boards.
 
I don't think weight is an issue with KD. Yea, he's skinny, but I don't think it's a big deal. As for rebounds, him & Melo are pretty muchidentical. I agree with D though, he could get better in the aspect. & I think he will, just like Melo has improved.

I think KD has a slight edge over Melo, & if KD keeps his level of play up & can continue to improve it'll be an easier choice to choose betweenthe two.
 
It's definitely close, but if I had to choose between the two, I'd take Durant over Melo.

Can Melo do anything Durant can't do?
 
Artest the best defender?
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Come on, solid, but if they goin that route, they overratin the hell outta dude.
 
i actually like that list. [ id put KD 4th]

theyre basing it off of their complete game.

Shouldnt KD @ least avg a couple more boards than MELO?? He is like 6'10.

If were talking shooting/offensively then sure hes #2.
 
Durant aint better than Melo...yet. And I'm only saying that because of Melo's inside game...but KD will be in the very very very near future. Hisceiling is just at a level that Melo's was never at.
 
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Originally Posted by Tony Starks

Can Melo do anything Durant can't do?
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Bingo. Carmelo has one of the best scoring ranges in the entire league. He can score down low, he can shoot the ball VERY well from the perimeter,for his size he can handle the rock. Durant is amazing, don't get me wrong, but he needs to bulk up if he wants to surpass Carmelo, because he's aroundto stay (yeah is basically almost 21, but Carmelo is only 25, he has plenty of game left in him).
 
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[h1]Where they sit after summer[/h1]
By John Schuhmann, NBA.com
Posted Aug 17 2009 3:46PM

NBA rosters are not quite finalized for the 2009-10 season, and there are still guys like David Lee, Ramon Sessions and Raymond Felton out on the market.

But this is the time when coaches and general managers start to take their vacations, with most of their summer work completed. That makes it time to take a trip around the league and rank all 30 teams as they stand in the middle of August.

This has been a summer where the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer, with trades and free agency creating an even darker line between the haves and have-nots of the league.

As we look at it, there seems to be lines of delineation after the top five, the top 13 and the top 19. Those lines may or may not become blurred come November. There will be a team or two that will surprise, and a team or two that disappoint.

Unfortunately, there are still 71 days before the season begins, so we'll have to wait until teams can prove us right or wrong.

Final Power Rankings of 2008-09: Still Much to be Determined

Hyperizin' Team of the Summer: Washington (+19)
Criticizin' Team of the Summer: Houston (-10)

Pace: Possessions per 48 minutes (League Rank)
Off: Points scored per 100 possessions (League Rank)
Def: Points allowed per 100 possessions (League Rank)
The league averages last season were 90.4 possessions (per team) per 48 minutes and 109.8 points scored per 100 possessions.

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[/td] [td]TEAM (LAST SEASON)[/td] [td]REC.[/td] [td]BREAKDOWN[/td] [/tr][tr][td]1[/td] [td] L.A. Lakers (1)[/td] [td]65-17[/td] [td]Pace: 93.1 (6), Off: 114.3 (3), Def: 106.1 (5)
Either you think the Artest-for-Ariza swap was a big upgrade for the Lakers, or you think the True Warier will become a major distraction and ruin the champs' chemistry. Either way, you know it's going to be an interesting season in L.A. For now, they're at the top.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]2[/td] [td] Cleveland (3)[/td] [td]66-16[/td] [td]Pace: 87.6 (25), Off: 113.9 (4), Def: 103.8 (2)
It will be difficult for the Cavs to match last season's win total, but they've added Shaq and Anthony Parker without losing anybody of significance. LeBron James will be well-rested and more motivated, but can Mo Williams show up in the Playoffs this time?[/td] [/tr][tr][td]3[/td] [td] Orlando (2)[/td] [td]59-23[/td] [td]Pace: 90.8 (12), Off: 111.0 (9), Def: 103.6 (1)
Otis Smith tinkered with what was a winning formula and went way over the luxury tax to do so. The Magic are deep in talent and have a little more versatility with the additions of forwards Matt Barnes and Brandon Bass, but the Cavs and Celtics got better too.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]4[/td] [td] San Antonio (10)[/td] [td]54-28[/td] [td]Pace: 86.8 (27), Off: 110.6 (12), Def: 106.3 (6)
Richard Jefferson is not only a major upgrade at the three, but with an ever-improving catch-and-shoot jumper, he seems to be a perfect fit with the Spurs. If they keep Manu Ginobili healthy and Tim Duncan fresh, put the Spurs right there with L.A.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]5[/td] [td] Boston (5)[/td] [td]62-20[/td] [td]Pace: 89.0 (18), Off: 112.2 (6), Def: 103.9 (3)
The addition of Rasheed Wallace makes the Celtics' frontline more intimidating than it already was. But more important to their quest for another title are the health of Kevin Garnett and the psyche of Rajon Rondo. You have to wonder about both.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]6[/td] [td] Dallas (7)[/td] [td]50-32[/td] [td]Pace: 90.1 (16), Off: 112.2 (5), Def: 110.0 (18)
With a swap of Brandon Bass and Antoine Wright for Shawn Marion, the Mavs are still a step below the Lakers and Spurs. But Ron Artest's behavior and Manu Ginobili's ankles are forever fragile, so third in the West ain't a bad spot to be in.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]7[/td] [td] Denver (4)[/td] [td]54-28[/td] [td]Pace: 93.1 (5), Off: 111.8 (7), Def: 108.1 (
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Arron Afflalo was an underrated pickup, but the Nuggets lost some key depth with the departures of Dahntay Jones and Linas Kleiza. Did they have the ability to improve on last season anyway, or was '08-09 the perfect storm for Denver?[/td] [/tr][tr][td]8[/td] [td] Portland (9)[/td] [td]54-28[/td] [td]Pace: 85.7 (29), Off: 115.2 (2), Def: 109.0 (11)
Andre Miller is an upgrade at the point, but the Portland offense was already very efficient. In order to take the next step they need to improve defensively. So if Greg Oden can stay healthy and out of foul trouble, they're in great shape.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]9[/td] [td] Washington (28)[/td] [td]19-63[/td] [td]Pace: 89.7 (17), Off: 107.0 (26), Def: 115.3 (29)
With Gilbert Arenas looking spry in workouts and pro-am action and added depth with Randy Foye and Mike Miller, the Wizards should be the fourth best team in the East. But they're lacking beef on the frontline, which will really hurt them against the top three.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]10[/td] [td] Utah (12)[/td] [td]48-34[/td] [td]Pace: 91.8 (10), Off: 111.7 (
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, Def: 108.9 (10)

The Carlos Boozer situation clouds Utah's outlook for the coming season. Will the Jazz trade him? If not, can Boozer and his teammates possibly pretend like nothing happened and make the best out of what is certainly his final season in Utah?[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
[/td] [td]TEAM (LAST WEEK)[/td] [td]REC.[/td] [td]BREAKDOWN[/td] [/tr][tr][td]11[/td] [td] New Orleans (11)[/td] [td]49-33[/td] [td]Pace: 86.4 (28), Off: 110.4 (13), Def: 108.6 (9)
Does swapping Tyson Chandler for Emeka Okafor make the Hornets a better team? Not necessarily. And trading Rasual Butler for nothing certainly doesn't. When the Hornets won 56 games two years ago, who knew their window of opportunity would close so quickly?[/td] [/tr][tr][td]12[/td] [td] Atlanta (
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[/td] [td]47-35[/td] [td]Pace: 88.4 (24), Off: 110.9 (11), Def: 109.1 (13)
The additions of Jamal Crawford and Joe Smith give the Hawks added depth, but they still lack leadership and cohesion. With other teams in the East making bolder moves, Atlanta's four-year run of winning more games than the year before is probably over.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]13[/td] [td] Toronto (22)[/td] [td]33-49[/td] [td]Pace: 90.7 (14), Off: 108.5 (22), Def: 111.6 (22)
Bryan Colangelo was aggressive and inventive in overhauling the Raptors' roster and Hedo Turkoglu fills a big need for a playmaker on the wing. This certainly looks like a playoff team again, but the defensive end of the floor will keep them from competing with the best in the East.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]14[/td] [td] Chicago (14)[/td] [td]41-41[/td] [td]Pace: 92.0 (9), Off: 109.7 (18), Def: 110.0 (17)
Can a team improve after losing its leading scorer and adding only a couple of non-lottery picks? They can if they have Derrick Rose with a year of experience and Luol Deng, who can make them a tough defensive team again, coming back from injury.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]15[/td] [td] Phoenix (17)[/td] [td]46-36[/td] [td]Pace: 94.5 (4), Off: 115.4 (1), Def: 113.4 (27)
How does the most efficient offense in the league miss the Playoffs? With a horrible defense, of course. Does a healthy Amar'e Stoudemire make the Suns a better defensive squad? Not really. This team needs a personality makeover to get the job done.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]16[/td] [td] Houston (6)[/td] [td]53-29[/td] [td]Pace: 89.0 (19), Off: 109.9 (15), Def: 105.5 (4)
Signing David Anderson will help cushion the blow of losing Yao Ming for the season, but not enough. The Rockets can use this year (and perhaps Tracy McGrady's expiring contract) to strengthen Yao's supporting cast while he strengthens his body.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]17[/td] [td] Detroit (16)[/td] [td]39-43[/td] [td]Pace: 85.5 (30), Off: 108.9 (21), Def: 109.5 (16)
Joe Dumars spent money and brought in talent, but was the money spent wisely? It remains to be seen if John Kuester can make a team out of the roster, if Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva can play some defense, or if the talent will mesh.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]18[/td] [td] Philadelphia (15)[/td] [td]41-41[/td] [td]Pace: 88.9 (20), Off: 109.1 (20), Def: 109.1 (12)
Lou Williams isn't a point guard and Jrue Holiday probably isn't ready, so the Sixers will really feel the absence of Andre Miller. Andre Iguodala can take more of the playmaking burden on his shoulders, but we still don't know if he and Elton Brand can play together.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]19[/td] [td] Miami (13)[/td] [td]43-39[/td] [td]Pace: 88.6 (23), Off: 109.4 (19), Def: 109.1 (14)
The Heat have done nothing to alleviate the burden on Dwyane Wade, and it's hard to imagine him having a better season than he did last year. So Erik Spoelstra has to hope that the light in Michael Beasley's head went on this summer.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]20[/td] [td] Oklahoma City (27)[/td] [td]23-59[/td] [td]Pace: 92.3 (
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, Off: 104.5 (29), Def: 111.0 (20)

Kevin Durant is ready to blow up and James Harden is a good fit. But the biggest key for the Thunder in the next two seasons will be the maturation and decision-making of Russell Westbrook, who has the talent, but needs to slow it down a bit.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
[/td] [td]TEAM (LAST WEEK)[/td] [td]REC.[/td] [td]BREAKDOWN[/td] [/tr][tr][td]21[/td] [td] L.A. Clippers (29)[/td] [td]19-63[/td] [td]Pace: 90.8 (13), Off: 103.7 (30), Def: 113.3 (26)
Blake Griffin looks like the real deal, trading Zach Randolph is addition by subtraction, Rasual Butler gives the Clippers some needed shooting, and they can't be any worse than last year, right? Let's see how Baron Davis and Mike Dunleavy get along any better.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]22[/td] [td] Charlotte (19)[/td] [td]35-47[/td] [td]Pace: 87.2 (26), Off: 106.0 (27), Def: 107.5 (7)
The Bobcats went from the 23rd best defense in '07-08 to the seventh best last season, telling you how much of an impact Larry Brown had. Now, the question is: How do they improve offensively? Tyson Chandler isn't going to help much on that end.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]23[/td] [td] Indiana (18)[/td] [td]36-46[/td] [td]Pace: 95.0 (3), Off: 109.8 (17), Def: 111.0 (19)
The Pacers added some solid role players in Dahntay Jones, Tyler Hansbrough and Earl Watson, but with Mike Dunleavy out for the start of the season, are they any better than they were a year ago? Not if Washington and Toronto make the East stronger overall.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]24[/td] [td] Golden State (24)[/td] [td]29-53[/td] [td]Pace: 96.9 (1), Off: 110.9 (10), Def: 114.8 (28)
Was Anthony Randolph's performance in Las Vegas the preview of a breakout season, or was it just another Summer League apparition. Until we see what Randolph does against real competition, this team is tough to figure out (but still fun to watch).[/td] [/tr][tr][td]25[/td] [td] Milwaukee (21)[/td] [td]34-48[/td] [td]Pace: 91.4 (11), Off: 108.1 (23), Def: 109.3 (15)
If the Bucks were healthy last season, they would have been a solid squad. But now, Richard Jefferson and Charlie Villanueva are gone, and they're left with a strange mix of the past (Michael Redd), the present (Andrew Bogut) and the future (Brandon Jennings).[/td] [/tr][tr][td]26[/td] [td] New Jersey (20)[/td] [td]34-48[/td] [td]Pace: 88.6 (22), Off: 109.9 (16), Def: 112.6 (23)
After trading Vince Carter, the Nets aren't coming close to a playoff spot, but they could remain somewhat competitive if their young core takes a step forward and they make a new commitment to defense. That and a go-ahead on Brooklyn could entice a free agent next summer.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]27[/td] [td] Minnesota (26)[/td] [td]24-58[/td] [td]Pace: 90.4 (15), Off: 107.5 (24), Def: 112.9 (25)
The David Kahn era is less than three months old, but he's certainly made his mark. His is a long-term plan and the Wolves have got the building blocks for a bright future, but Kahn may be the only one who thinks drafting two point guards back-to-back was a good idea.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]28[/td] [td] New York (23)[/td] [td]32-50[/td] [td]Pace: 95.1 (2), Off: 110.0 (14), Def: 112.7 (24)
With the David Lee and Ramon Sessions situations still very much in the air, we don't know exactly where the Knicks sit in the Eastern Conference lower-archy. But even if both end up in New York, this team is still well short of playoff caliber.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]29[/td] [td] Memphis (25)[/td] [td]24-58[/td] [td]Pace: 88.8 (21), Off: 105.1 (28), Def: 111.2 (21)
New acquisition Zach Randolph has essentially the same contract as Pau Gasol, whom the Grizzlies traded a year and a half ago for financial reasons. Would anyone in the league outside of Memphis rather have Randolph than Gasol, even if he was paid half as much?[/td] [/tr][tr][td]30[/td] [td] Sacramento (30)[/td] [td]17-65[/td] [td]Pace: 92.9 (7), Off: 107.1 (25), Def: 116.4 (30)
There's nowhere to go but up for the worst team in the league last season, but while Tyreke Evans is a talent, the Kings need a lot[/td] [/tr][/table]
 
Memphis at 29 is laughable. Milwakuee, Indiana, Charlotte, New Jersey all better than them? Knicks too. stop it.
 
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at the knicks being so far down. In order for theKnicks to get back on top were gona need a miracle in 2010
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