[[ NEW YORK METS 2009 OFFSEASON POST: Beltran ahead of schedule ]]

[eye eat kicks]

Parnell should be the 8th inning guy from now on. Putz has to chillax for a little. its just a bad loss relax, mets are on a hot streak right now. We'regonna win the next 3 games with johan and pelf next 2. i like Fmart and i cant wait till reyes hopefully by friday and beltran get back .

Mets go Lets!

 

[shuges]

 

[mez 0ne]

Gotta give the Mets some credit for grinding it out with all the injuries, but it seems like the depleted lineup is catching up now. Top of the order nothitting now for two games (even though last night should have been a win), they can't seem to take advantage of the opportunities when they get them. Omarhas to seriously consider another bat by the deadline, whether it's someone to play first or a corner outfield spot.

Its not easy when 3 of your 4 core players are out, and David struggling. Sheff can't even rest his hamstring since Tron is out.

 

[airmaxpenny1]

 

[john sterling]

I heard something about Beltran possibly having swine flu, Maine as well. Apparently someone in the SNY crew had it.

 

[mez 0ne]

Doubt its swine flu because those symptoms are relatively mild compared to a normal flu, its pretty much just that stomach virus that's been going aroundlately. We are just going to have to hope Pelf wins tonight because this there isn't much we can expect from this offense right now with all of these guysout.....they just have to be thankful all of this has coincided with a weak schedule. Reyes and Tron should be back by the weekend, the Nats are far far worsethan the Pirates.

In other news, Brad Holt has been promoted from single A to AA. He had a shaky first outing in A-ball but he dominated his last 7 starts. I think Omar has theguy on a fast track to the majors, he's a guy with more potential than Neise in my opinion.

 

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by SHUGES

 

[mez 0ne]

I feel like I'm talking to myself at times.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Omar needs to trade Putz. He's the only player that can really bring something good back that won't mortgage our future.

 

[mez 0ne]

Considering only K-Rod, Parnell, and Stokes are the 3 best arms (with Feliciano being a good lefty specialist), I can't see them getting rid of Putz toweaken the pen depth. Maybe if Shawn Green were pitching well it'd be a different story, but you can't can't weaken the pen right now.

Mets NEED Putz to get back on track.

Rain out today is a good thing, Reyes suffered a setback though some problem with his hamstring, so much for that.

After the Nats it won't get easy with this lineup, Mets went from 1.5 games up to 3 games back in a hurry.

 

[mez 0ne]

Nice to see Green pitching better lately, Putz is throwing 90-91mph i don't know how much more evidence the Mets need to further look into a possibleinjury...he threw 97 in the WBC.

Nice to see Beltran back in the lineup and pick up right where he left off, Pelf just didn't have ANYTHING today. Mets have had some tough luck playing @PIT these last few years.

Following today's 11-6 loss to the Pirates, Carlos Beltran said:

"The reality is, coming here to Pittsburgh and getting swept, for me, I feel embarrassed… We need to find a way to play better and to focus more on what we need to accomplish… I mean, we have to take this personally. It can't happen… I know the Pirates are a big-league team, but we're better than them. We're better than them, and we know we're better than them. But, we have to do something about it. McLouth wasn't here and they still came out and scored 11 runs. 11 runs? We have to play better."

Nice to see that.

But in BAD news.....WFAN stated that Reyes has a minor tear in his HAMSTRING. I wish they could tell us how minor it is (grade 1 being slight, grade 3 beingworse), but you know the Mets medical staff, and Jerry will state the usual "he'll be fine in a week".

 

[eye eat kicks]

i'm like about to cry lol, i cant believe both delgado and reyes are out for redic. long.

they have to get someone with power imo and quick, we'll see

 

[addictedtofreshkicks]

smh

 

[mez 0ne]

I doubt people will agree with me, but say Reyes injury is worse than we think and hes out for the season (same with Gado)....

.....Cora with his thumb, Church out, Sheff with a bad hammy, Pagan out, Beltran's sore knee (although he's playing through it), Putz OBVIOUSLY HURTwith his low velocity, Delgado/Reyes out, Oliver Perez on the DL.......

.....I wouldn't be completely against being sellers this season. Why trade our good young prospects like Parnell, Fernando Martinez, Brad Holt, Neise,etc.....for a QUICK FIX this season when there are so many holes right now with these injuries. I wouldn't mind getting rid of any of the older guys tocontending teams and stock up for next season. Get a new GM as well (not all Omar's fault) and a new manager, just get something new going.

If this team were healthy they would be one of the top 4 teams in the National League, easily. But at this point I wouldn't trade any young guys for aquick fix, won't solve anything.

You keep Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, K-Rod, Parnell, Fernando Martinez, and all the prospects in A/AA in tact.

 

[addictedtofreshkicks]

I don't have a problem with being sellers... stock up on prospects.

but the Mets would never do that... especially in NY.

 

[youngin33]

Injures getting out of hand quick. The week I was in Vegas we go 5-1, and now this crap when I return? Need to do work this weekend.

 

[airmaxpenny1]

Id rather this happen now than later than September.

 

[eye eat kicks]

yea mez i have a feeling reyes and gado will be out for season, putz will be out soon also i feel but parnell is nasty. i dont think we should give up on thisseason. its really redic that we can't make playoffs with this team. we have so much talent i dont get it. i think its like a curse

 

[jaysfordays]

I guarantee that the Nats win 2/3 this weekend.

 

[cincoseisdos]

Originally Posted by Mez 0ne

I doubt people will agree with me, but say Reyes injury is worse than we think and hes out for the season (same with Gado)....

.....Cora with his thumb, Church out, Sheff with a bad hammy, Pagan out, Beltran's sore knee (although he's playing through it), Putz OBVIOUSLY HURT with his low velocity, Delgado/Reyes out, Oliver Perez on the DL.......

.....I wouldn't be completely against being sellers this season. Why trade our good young prospects like Parnell, Fernando Martinez, Brad Holt, Neise, etc.....for a QUICK FIX this season when there are so many holes right now with these injuries. I wouldn't mind getting rid of any of the older guys to contending teams and stock up for next season. Get a new GM as well (not all Omar's fault) and a new manager, just get something new going.

If this team were healthy they would be one of the top 4 teams in the National League, easily. But at this point I wouldn't trade any young guys for a quick fix, won't solve anything.

You keep Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, K-Rod, Parnell, Fernando Martinez, and all the prospects in A/AA in tact.

I agree 100%

But my question is, is this even possible (being sellers) ? Being in NY, and the first season of the new park?

 

[mez 0ne]

I doubt it would happen because that would mean empty seats at a new stadium, not a good look.

I personally would though, they say Reyes may miss up to 6 weeks....in mets terms that means 12 weeks + rehab...I'm going to assume out till September.

I'm not relying on Delgado at this point either, he is older and who knows how long rehab would take him. Its his last season with the Mets anyways, justmore payroll off the books (12M), and Wagner is off the books as well (out for the year also).

I guarantee that the Nats win 2/3 this weekend.


Nah, maybe win today because Redding has done nothing so far, but thats as far as it goes.

i dont think we should give up on this season. its really redic that we can't make playoffs with this team. we have so much talent i dont get it. i think its like a curse


The Mets were playing good baseball then it all went downhill in PITT, you can't expect these bench players to put up a ton of runs consistently. Evenyesterday with Pelf having NOTHING, the Mets came back two times, got it to 5-4. then the Pirates put up another 4 spot and it was over.

I still think the Mets will make ONE move to get either a 1st baseman or corner outfielder just to make some sort of push, because they still have a chance ata playoff spot......but everyone of us will have to lower our expectations at this point. Our starting pitching will have to carry us often since runs will behard to come by, David is already not getting ANYTHING to hit. Murphy looks tentative out there and is pressing, also doesn't help that Jerry has treatedhim and Church like a couple of minor leaguers when they were both hitting .400, no coincidence both are struggling now.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Redding gets rocked again tonight I want to see Niese up here. Yea I know we'll be rushing him, but what do we have to lose at this point? Give Niese acouple of starts and see where he goes from there.

The only problem with us being sellers is who can we sell that won't hurt us and bring any value?

Sheffield
Castillo?
Putz
Church?

That's pretty much it. There's not much to sell. I'd rather buy, but buy smartly. No way in hell I want to see another Victor Zambrano trade.

I have no problem trading Fernando Martinez for Holliday IF he signs an extension. It won't be a terrible move imo. You get a very good hitter in his primeand will be there for the next 7 years in exchange for a 20 year old that could be a beast, but has been hurt a couple of times at the minor league level.

 

[mez 0ne]

True, I was about to bring up that point, who would we sell? (Mets won't sell anyways but just for arguement's sake)

- Delgado is hurt way beyond the trading deadline.

- Schneider only has 1 year left on his contract, a contender could use him as a backup.

- Putz is hurt but still has a lot of value, Church is another servicable outfielder a team could use. Sheffield yes.

-C astillo is stuck here, Cora is a great veteran backup who can contribute on any contender.

So pretty much Schneider, Sheffield, Church, Putz, and Cora........you won't get much but its better than nothing.

I agree with buying ONLY if they buy smart. Don't trade any prospects if possible (maybe single A guys), there are lots of cheap teams who want to unloadguys with contracts they no longer wish to pay, Mets could easily take the bulk of the contract assuming its nothing long term.

 

[mez 0ne]

For arguements sake:

Potential Free Agents for 2010
The following players have contracts expiring or should have the six years of service necessary to become free agents after the 2009 season.

* - player whose current contract includes 2010 option

Player Club
First Basemen
Carlos Delgado NYM
Jason Giambi * OAK
Ross Gload * KC
Aubrey Huff BAL
Nick Johnson WAS
Adam LaRoche PIT
Robb Quinlan LAA
Matt Stairs PHI
Mike Sweeney SEA
Jim Thome CHW
Chad Tracy ARZ

Second Basemen
Marlon Anderson NYM
Ron Belliard WAS
Jamey Carroll CLE
Mark DeRosa CHC
David Eckstein SD
Orlando Hudson LAD (wants to be a Met)
Akinori Iwamura * TB
Omar Infante ATL
Felipe Lopez ARZ
Placido Polanco DET
Freddy Sanchez * PIT

Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera OAK
Bobby Crosby OAK
Adam Everett DET
Alex Gonzalez * CIN
Khalil Greene STL
John McDonald TOR
Marco Scutaro TOR
Miguel Tejada HOU
Jack Wilson * PIT

Third Basemen
Adrian Beltre SEA
Hank Blalock TEX
Geoff Blum HOU
Joe Crede MIN
Pedro Feliz * PHI
Chone Figgins LAA
Troy Glaus STL
Mike Lamb MIL
Melvin Mora * BAL

Catchers
Josh Bard BOS
Henry Blanco SD
Ramon Castro NYM
Ramon Hernandez * CIN
Jason Kendall MIL
Jason LaRue STL
Victor Martinez * CLE
Benji Molina SF
Jose Molina NYY
Miguel Olivo * KC
Mike Redmond MIN
Brian Schneider NYM
Yorvit Torrealba * COL
Jason Varitek * BOS
Gregg Zaun * BAL

Outfielders
Bobby Abreu LAA
Garret Anderson ATL
Rick Ankiel STL
Rocco Baldelli BOS
Jason Bay BOS (no way he leaves Boston though)
Marlon Byrd TEX
Mike Cameron MIL
Frank Catalanotto TEX
Endy Chavez SEA
Coco Crisp * KC
Carl Crawford * TB
Johnny Damon NYY
David Dellucci CLE
Jermaine Dye * CWS
Darin Erstad HOU
Cliff Floyd SD
Ryan Freel BAL
Brian Giles SD
Ken Griffey Jr. SEA
Vladimir Guerrero LAA
Matt Holliday OAK (lthough will not be worth the $$$ he gets)
Geoff Jenkins * PHI
Reed Johnson CHC
Andruw Jones TEX
Austin Kearns * WAS
Hideki Matusi NYY
Jason Michaels CLE
Xavier Nady NYY
Magglio Ordonez * DET
Manny Ramirez * LAD (LOL)
Dave Roberts SF
Gary Sheffield DET
Randy Winn SF

Starting Pitchers
Brandon Backe HOU
Miguel Batista SEA
Josh Beckett * BOS
Erik Bedard SEA (will be traded by the deadline)
Daniel Cabrera WAS
Bartolo Colon CWS
Jose Contreras CWS
Doug Davis ARZ
Justin Duchscherer OAK
Adam Eaton BAL
Kelvim Escobar LAA
Jon Garland * ARZ
Tom Glavine ATL
Mike Hampton HOU
Rich Harden CHC
Tim Hudson * ATL[/b0
Randy Johnson SF
John Lackey LAA
Cliff Lee * CLE (will be traded by the deadline)
Braden Looper * MIL
Jason Marquis CHC
Kevin Millwood * TEX
Brett Myers PHI
Vicente Padilla * TEX
Carl Pavano CLE
Brad Penny BOS
Odalis Perez WAS
Andy Pettitte NYY
Joel Pineiro STL
Sidney Ponson KC
Jason Schmidt LAD
John Smoltz BOS
Jarrod Washburn SEA
Brandon Webb * ARZ
Todd Wellemeyer STL

Relief Pitchers
Danys Baez BAL
Joaquin Benoit TEX
Rafael Betancourt * CLE
Chad Bradford BAL
Doug Brocail * HOU
Kiko Calero FLA
Octavio Dotel CWS
Ryan Franklin * STL
Gary Glover WAS
Mike Gonzalez ATL
Tom Gordon ARZ
John Grabow PIT
Kevin Gregg CHC
LaTroy Hawkins HOU
Matt Herges CLE
Trevor Hoffman MIL
Jason Isringhausen TB
Masahide Kobayashi * CLE
Brandon Lyon DET
Ron Mahay KC
Gary Majewski WAS
Trever Miller STL
Darren Oliver LAA
Troy Percival TB
J.J. Putz * NYM
Fernando Rodney DET
Duaner Sanchez NYM
Scott Schoeneweis ARZ
Rafael Soriano ATL
Matt Thornton * CWS
Jose Valverde HOU
Luis Vizcaino * COL
Billy Wagner NYM
Jamie Walker BAL

 

[airmaxpenny1]

Nick Johnson needs to be a met