Next Gen Xbox Reveal Confirmed for May 21

[olx9o]

If you dont think there were great games in the last 6 years then there is nothing anyone can do for you.

haha word.

although i only play 2 games right now (halo4 & 2k)

 

[harlemtothebronx]

That 500 GB HDD and mandatory downloading is not going to work well. Why couldn't they go with a TB? Especially if the hard drive is not removable. Doesn't sound like a great idea.


I don't want to have to delete games to make space for others.

To have more money to squeeze outta people down the line.  There will be a Terabyte version when they do their Mid-Life Refresh(ie Xbox 360 Elite, Xbox 360 slim). Watch. 

You're right.

And to the person who said we'd be able to use an external, I'm a sucker for uniformity. I don't want any external/extra pieces. I'd prefer to just be able to upgrade my memory or have enough memory to store all the media Microsoft expects me to download. But yeah, it leaves a lot of room for a mid-life refresh, as people will be dying for bigger hard drives.

 

[D Double]

Microsoft talking up cloud capabilities because they skimped on the memory and GPU.

I guess they didn't learn anything from PS3. Developers aren't going to jump through hoops to get performance out of the hardware.

I doubt Microsoft cares anyway. They just want to be the center of your living room to push you services anyway.

This!

Their claim on cloud computing is rubbish. If the cloud boosts the one's spec from 10 times to 40 times that of the 360 then they would have no problems emulating the 360 for backward compatibility with the cloud.

Digital Foundry had a good article which people should read. Here's a couple of quotes.

When a game needs something processed, it sends a request to a server and waits for the reply. Even assuming instantaneous processing thanks to the power of the servers, the internet is incredibly slow in terms of real-time computing. A request from your console has to find its way through numerous routers and servers until it reaches its destination, and the results have the same labyrinthine journey back. To put this in perspective, when the logic circuits of a CPU want some data, they have to wait a few nanoseconds (billionths of a second) to retrieve it from its cache. If not in cache, the CPU has to wait as much as a few hundred nanoseconds to fetch the data from main RAM - and this is considered bad news for processor efficiency. If the CPU were to ask the cloud to calculate something, the answer won't be available for potentially 100ms or more, depending on internet latency - some 100,000 nanoseconds!

As a game has only 33 milliseconds to render a frame at 30FPS, such long delays mean the cloud cannot be relied upon for real-time, immediate results per frame. If you crash your Forza car into a wall, you don't want to see your vehicle continuing through to the other side of the scenery for the next three or four frames (even longer on those inevitable internet hiccups) until the physics running on the cloud return with the information that you've crashed.

The PS4 memory system allocates around 20,000MB/s for the CPU of its total 176,000MB/s. The cloud can provide one twenty-thousandth of the data to the CPU that the PS4's system memory can. You may have an internet connection that's much better than 8mbps of course, but even superfast fibre-optic broadband at 50mbps equates to an anaemic 6MB/s. This represents a significant bottleneck to what can be processed on the cloud, and that's before upload speed is even considered. Upload speed is a small fraction of download speed, and this will greatly reduce how much information a job can send to the cloud to process. Taking the Forza crash example, if the console has to upload both the car collision mesh and scenery mesh to the cloud for it to calculate whether they have collided or not, that's going to take several seconds.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-xbox-one-cloud-transform-gaming

yall are sitting here talking about stats and number blah blah blah, but what about the games? who cares about specs vs specs? if the next 5-6 years of games is as lackluster as the past 5-6 then we have problems. every other title is a horrible FPS. things need to change now. my ive played 3-4 games on my 360 2 of which are last gen games (halo 2 when online was still up and mvc2)

Specs do matter otherwise we would be stuck with the same consoles that for the past 6 years have played games you find lack luster.
This gen has been good for fighting games too since you're a mvc2 player

 

[Fresh Like Will]

Gears of War 1-3, Mass Effect 1-3, BioShock 1-3, Crackdown 1-2, Dead Rising 1-2, Left 4 Dead 1-2, Ninja Gaiden II, Bayonetta, Ratchet & Clank Future 1-3, Uncharted 1-3, Killzone 2-3, Metal Gear Solid 4, God of War 3, God of War: Ascension, 3D Dot Game Heroes, Infamous 1-2, ModNation Racers, LittleBigPlanet 1-2, LittleBigPlanet: Karting, Battlefield 3, Battlefield: Bad Company 1-2, Demon's Souls, Warhawk, Starhawk, Yakuza 3-4, Grand Theft Auto IV, Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2, Assassin's Creed 1-3, The Orange Box (Half-Life, Portal), Portal 2, Army of Two, Batman: Arkham Series, Resident Evil 5-6, Skyrim, Fallout Series, Dead Space 1-3

 

[rell826]

If you dont think there were great games in the last 6 years then there is nothing anyone can do for you.

Probably just play Madden, NBA 2K and Call of Duty.

 

[big smoke]

the last game that i considered worth 60 dollars i played was red dead redemption. the assassins creed games and gta4 were so repetitive. the gears joints had tight campaigns but i wasnt feelin the multiplayer like that

 

[swendro]

If you dont think there were great games in the last 6 years then there is nothing anyone can do for you.

^

Might as well give up gaming.

 

[duba169]

If you dont think there were great games in the last 6 years then there is nothing anyone can do for you.

Compared to the games in he ps2 era? Both systems were significantly worse. Much less originality. Too may FPS. Lack of attention to people who like single player games. Less amazing platformers.

Sony's exclusives blew Xbox out of the water though. Which is why I was still happy enough with ps3

 

[Bad Religion]

Id argue that the addition of Live Arcade and the PS Store has opened the door to hundreds of indie games that are not only original, but pushing the boundaries of what gaming means and does.

Sure, AAA games have been FPS focused and we are seeing more sequels than anything. But if you look below the Hollywood inspired blockbusters (not that they are all bad by any means) you can find some gems. And of the games being made today, 90% are just better technically. There was some trash that came out in the late 90's.

Alot of people look back at the PSOne and PS2/XBox eras with rose-coloured glasses. The majority of us were anywhere from preteen to teenagers, dying for something to define us. We never just hated something... I can pick out a bunch of games that were BAD, but I found something almost redeeming in each and every experience. As we get older, we just seem to hate everything.

Id also be willing to bet the memories alot of people have of those days are tied with memories of growing up, hanging out with friends, general nostalgia. Not saying that is you or that everything is included, but you have to admit we do tend to remember our younger days better than they were.

 

[duba169]

I hear u but it isn't even rose colored glasses. I've been buying ps2 games because they are dirt cheap and they are pretty damn amazing. I just beat dark cloud for the first time lol. That game is crack.

I personally like platformers the most so it's not strange that I would not be in love with the last era. Ratchet and clank, crash bandicoot, spyro, Jak and Daxter, packan world, sly cooper, ico, ape escape, maximo

There's simply less for me to love. Yes there are still origional games out there. Little big planet is awesome. Limbo is vpcreative. Heavy rain is too. Uncharted is awesome.

Been replaying crash bandicoot 2, onimusha, resident evil. They are still fantastic. I'd rather play OG resident evil than any of the new ones. It's still creepy. Silent hill too I bet

 

[RustyShackleford]

If you dont think there were great games in the last 6 years then there is nothing anyone can do for you.

Compared to the games in he ps2 era? Both systems were significantly worse. Much less originality. Too may FPS. Lack of attention to people who like single player games. Less amazing platformers.

Sony's exclusives blew Xbox out of the water though. Which is why I was still happy enough with ps3

No they damn well didn't.

The Halo games where much better than any FPS Sony put out.

Gears of War 1 was one of the best games of this generation. The hate for the series started after 2, even the most hardcore Sony fanboys where tipping there at to Gears. Only after UC2 came along they started talking ****.

MS has no answer for God of War.

MS racing line up this generation was better than Sony's.

MS online games lineup is way better than Sony's.

MS was much better early in this generation, Sony was better late.

An anyone saying there aren't any original games out there, is simply not paying attention or don't know what they are talking about. Check the damn PS store and XBLA

 

[Bad Religion]

Platformers and JRPGs really hit a wall the generation for sure; I agree with you on that.

Check out Dark Cloud 2, then join the many of us that dont understand why Level 5 did not continue the series.

 

[jordan23dotcom]

Compared to the games in he ps2 era? Both systems were significantly worse. Much less originality. Too may FPS. Lack of attention to people who like single player games. Less amazing platformers.

Sony's exclusives blew Xbox out of the water though. Which is why I was still happy enough with ps3

Thank you! Agreed! The most original games came off the market place. As far as fighting games go, we guys who are really into it call this time the "patch" era. Make a rushed version, have people pay for it, see what's wrong, fix it via update, repeat. Whole other discussion ......

 

[duba169]

Platformers and JRPGs really hit a wall the generation for sure; I agree with you on that.

Check out Dark Cloud 2, then join the many of us that dont understand why Level 5 did not continue the series.

you know it's funny that's the only ps2 game that I can't find for less than 30 something bucks. I spent near 60 hours on a game never done that before. besides maybe NBA street. I need a nice break

i hear 2 is even better. i think a 3rd comes out one day along with the 3rd ico game. I just really don't want a remake. The graphics are more than adequate for a dungeon crawler

just don't hammer me over the head with FPS and ill be okay

 

[jayfiend]

No they damn well didn't.

The Halo games where much better than any FPS Sony put out.

Gears of War 1 was one of the best games of this generation. The hate for the series started after 2, even the most hardcore Sony fanboys where tipping there at to Gears. Only after UC2 came along they started talking ****.

MS has no answer for God of War.

MS racing line up this generation was better than Sony's.

MS online games lineup is way better than Sony's.

MS was much better early in this generation, Sony was better late.

An anyone saying there aren't any original games out there, is simply not paying attention or don't know what they are talking about. Check the damn PS store and XBLA

You forgot " in my opinion"

 

[D Double]

Compared to the games in he ps2 era? Both systems were significantly worse. Much less originality. Too may FPS. Lack of attention to people who like single player games. Less amazing platformers.

Sony's exclusives blew Xbox out of the water though. Which is why I was still happy enough with ps3

I agree but also think a lot of the games don't get the publicity they deserved which makes it seem like there is less originality.

As for platformers the last 2D ones I played were Guacamelee, Sound Shapes, Mutant Blob Attacks and Rayman Origins. They're all great apart from Mutant blobs which is OK.

Thank you! Agreed! The most original games came off the market place. As far as fighting games go, we guys who are really into it call this time the "patch" era. Make a rushed version, have people pay for it, see what's wrong, fix it via update, repeat. Whole other discussion ......

They defnitely rushed cross Tekken. I don't mind patching as long as they don't try and rip you off for it. I think Capcom have learned their lesson but i won't get my hope sup
MVC2 was one of those rare games where even though it had flaws, soome of the flaws actually made the game better and so it was able to last for 10 years.

Platformers and JRPGs really hit a wall the generation for sure; I agree with you on that.

Check out Dark Cloud 2, then join the many of us that dont understand why Level 5 did not continue the series.

It's the JRPG's that took a big hit. They all got relegated to PSP's. If SE get the ball rolling ASAP with Versus and or FFXIV, I can see Japanese devs looking back at developing for consoles.

 

[Bad Religion]

Next gen Legend of Dragoon, Grandia, and Legend of Legaia and I'd get a PS4 tattoo on my face.

 

[jordan23dotcom]

^^^ that's why they should carefully make the game then let it run it's course. If a character is "too good" after a week of play, they nerf them. If other wise, they buff them. Horrible idea! Let people learn to use the tools, not switch it all up a week later. Mvc3 is still getting updates, not to mention the ultimate version that came out literally 9 months after the OG. Garbage ! Mvc2 and all other games that have "flaws" (halo 2 comes to mind) are perfect because they are imperfect.... If that makes sense lol

 

[D Double]

^^^ that's why they should carefully make the game then let it run it's course. If a character is "too good" after a week of play, they nerf them. If other wise, they buff them. Horrible idea! Let people learn to use the tools, not switch it all up a week later. Mvc3 is still getting updates, not to mention the ultimate version that came out literally 9 months after the OG. Garbage ! Mvc2 and all other games that have "flaws" (halo 2 comes to mind) are perfect because they are imperfect.... If that makes sense lol

MVC3's last update was Ultimate. It's received no attention from Capcom since but most people have accepted it and it's flaws and it's still the most popular event in recent tournaments. it's SF4 that is Capcom's baby.

 

[jordan23dotcom]

MVC3's last update was Ultimate. It's received no attention from Capcom since but most people have accepted it and it's flaws and it's still the most popular event in recent tournaments. it's SF4 that is Capcom's baby.

Mvc3 IMO is over produced trash. All the intentional "broken" gameplay makes the game a joke. Dont get me started and X factor. It's like checkmate a guy in chess but the loser has the ability to choose to play rock paper siccors to win on not. The reason it's so popular is because people who were getting slammed on mvc2 now have a chance. Lol but again, all IMO and a little off topic

 

[RustyShackleford]

No they damn well didn't.

The Halo games where much better than any FPS Sony put out.

Gears of War 1 was one of the best games of this generation. The hate for the series started after 2, even the most hardcore Sony fanboys where tipping there at to Gears. Only after UC2 came along they started talking ****.

MS has no answer for God of War.

MS racing line up this generation was better than Sony's.

MS online games lineup is way better than Sony's.

MS was much better early in this generation, Sony was better late.

An anyone saying there aren't any original games out there, is simply not paying attention or don't know what they are talking about. Check the damn PS store and XBLA

You forgot " in my opinion"

Nah B, didn't forget a damn thing

 

[a55a5in11]

No they damn well didn't.

The Halo games where much better than any FPS Sony put out.

Gears of War 1 was one of the best games of this generation. The hate for the series started after 2, even the most hardcore Sony fanboys where tipping there at to Gears. Only after UC2 came along they started talking ****.

MS has no answer for God of War.

MS racing line up this generation was better than Sony's.

MS online games lineup is way better than Sony's.

MS was much better early in this generation, Sony was better late.

An anyone saying there aren't any original games out there, is simply not paying attention or don't know what they are talking about. Check the damn PS store and XBLA

You forgot " in my opinion"

Nah B, didn't forget a damn thing

battle field was better than halo. lets be honest halo has fallen off alot since 2
forza was not way better than GT4
i agree with gears of war though. probably a top 2 game this generation for me
also ni no kuni > any 360 rpg

 

[royal assassin]

Mvc3 IMO is over produced trash. All the intentional "broken" gameplay makes the game a joke. Dont get me started and X factor. It's like checkmate a guy in chess but the loser has the ability to choose to play rock paper siccors to win on not. The reason it's so popular is because people who were getting slammed on mvc2 now have a chance. Lol but again, all IMO and a little off topic

lol you sound just like my homie who couldn't get used to the third game after being good in the second.  guys who don't adapt get crushed, don't blame the mechanics..i think mvc3 is world's better than 2

 

[RustyShackleford]

No they damn well didn't.

The Halo games where much better than any FPS Sony put out.

Gears of War 1 was one of the best games of this generation. The hate for the series started after 2, even the most hardcore Sony fanboys where tipping there at to Gears. Only after UC2 came along they started talking ****.

MS has no answer for God of War.

MS racing line up this generation was better than Sony's.

MS online games lineup is way better than Sony's.

MS was much better early in this generation, Sony was better late.

An anyone saying there aren't any original games out there, is simply not paying attention or don't know what they are talking about. Check the damn PS store and XBLA

You forgot " in my opinion"

Nah B, didn't forget a damn thing

battle field was better than halo. lets be honest halo has fallen off alot since 2
forza was not way better than GT4
i agree with gears of war though. probably a top 2 game this generation for me
also ni no kuni > any 360 rpg

-Battlefield is not a Sony exlcusive shooter

-GT 4 is the PS2 game( I dunno if you meant GT5)...But I meant comparing all the racers MS as released compared to all the racers Sony has released, MS has the edge

 

[jayfiend]

-Battlefield is not a Sony exlcusive shooter

-GT 4 is the PS2 game( I dunno if you meant GT5)...But I meant comparing all the racers MS as released compared to all the racers Sony has released, MS has the edge

You forgot " in my opinion"

And Halo is trash