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Top 10? Nah.
Names that come up during that time... Fitz, Welker, Jennings, Smitty, Wayne, Andre, Megatron... all in the upper tier conversation.
Welker's option route game was stupid.
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Names that come up during that time... Fitz, Welker, Jennings, Smitty, Wayne, Andre, Megatron... all in the upper tier conversation.
Welker's option route game was stupid.
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Or on the flip side you could ignore a season worth of objective input and only focus in on one over reaction made on one day, about one quarter of play, that was taken accountability for after the game, and make a full judgment about that person based on that one post.
since you're so good at lurking and finding quotes and saving them in Microsoft word to get lulz on an Internet forum, why don't you dig deeper and see how objective I've been about the Cowboys all season long front and center in this thread?
Props when they've been great, critique and jokes (like everyone else) when they haven't. Numerous times in the thread I've mentioned how stellar Tyron Smith is. Best LT in the league. If you wanna waste time advance searching **** we can go back and find it but I don't see a point in doing so. If I hated the Cowboys with so much bias why would I waste my time complimenting players? Over and over I've said how unfair Dez is. Even when I went to a Chargers vs. Cowboys game last season I was posting about what a monster dez was, as he was tearing apart that SD secondary live in person. Sean Lee has been one of my favorite Lb's for years, when he got injured again in the preseason I was one of the few defending him (to a fault) about being an all-glass team player. I was probably wrong, but the point is I had his back because I respect his abilities. I went to a Cowboys training camp practice for gods sake and posted pictures of me there supporting Dez and Whitten and marveling at their abilities in practice (we can advance search that too if you'd like).
Was that part of the agenda bro? Did I go to a Cowboys practice just to use it against them on an Internet forum 2 years later? I was there because at the end of the day even after all the jokes in fun I respect all NFL talent and love this game to death. Of course I like to see the Cowboys lose, it's funny. But the same goes for other teams. Watching Peyton throw ducks is hilarious, have we not been joking about him and slandering him the laSt 6 weeks on NT? Everyone's fair game Man, and obviously we all over react from time to time.
It's sports. Nothing's a given. Being irrational sometimes is a part of being a fan. But for the most part most of us regulars here respect the top talent no matter what helmet they have on.
It's a shame that I have to waste this much time trying to prove something to you that you won't beleive no matter what evidence I show.
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Fine, take TD into the hall
We know your aren't getting a Super Bowl this year or next so it's all about the small victories
y u do dis
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No one said you hate the Cowboys. You just let your love affair for your "2nd" team and Rodgers blind you in the heat of the moment that you were so quick to discredit Romo.
Nothing to be ashamed about. I just call it like I see it.
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Should use a combination of the two tbh. Eye-test, skill, attributes, and abilities + stats. I'm just saying that the box score from a game doesn't always tell the entire story.
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Uh huh...Tell me more...
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Fair enough.
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You think that was a "gotcha" moment?
It's akin to saying "tell me which QB's are the most accurate... I bet they'll be in your top 10 QB's list". No ****.
Being open is a direct result of running your routes the right way. Welker caught 12394021409 balls because he would abuse the option routes like no one else and get open.
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Just nasty...but what do you expect from a future HOFer
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I think he definitely gets in the hall.
Romo too if he gets a ring to add to all his numbers.
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LOL. You can actually judge accurate QB's through stats though so that example was pretty pathetic.
...but you're right. Greg Jennings was definitely Top 5 in route running that year. No need for further discussion.
Next NT discussion: Fred Taylor's blitz pick-ups on 3rd down were Top 3 during his era.
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romo in the HOF discussion :x :x
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TD isn't in the HOF. He was great but not for a long enough time period.
Not to mention, every RB after him in that system had 1000 yard seasons.
Not to mention, every RB after him in that system had 1000 yard seasons.
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Witten is in the Hall...no question. I don't think Romo has any real shot to get in the Hall of Fame with or without a ring and I'm a Dallas fan. His regular season stats are good but he's had too many failures in big moments and hasn't been real successful in the playoffs or made it very often for that matter.
He's the modern day Danny White; if he wins a ring as the starting QB he'll at best be respected by Dallas fans and MAY get in the ring of honor at the stadium.
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Oh, we're talking 3rd down blitz pickups now???
you already know 
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I like it because if Romo goes in Ben definitely will
Hines Ward the best blocking WR ever? Regardless of downs
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terrell davis (first 4 years, 95-9
•season
61 games
6413 rushing yards (105 yards average per game)
1 td average per game (56 rush, 5 receiving)
•playoffs
8 games
1140 rushing yards (142 yards average per game)
12 tds (1.5 average per game)
3x 1st team all-pro
2x superbowl champion
superbowl 32 mvp
98 nfl mvp
rushed for 2008 yards in 98. he sat out 8 full quarters in the season when the broncos had a good lead in a game. in a sense, he rushed for 2008 yards in 14 games. if shanahan played him for those 8 quarters, the rushing record for a season could have been broken.
2008+125.5+125.5 = 2259 rushing yards (estimate based on average rushing yards per game in 9
rushing record - 2105 by dickerson
•first 4 years rushing in nfl history
eric dickerson - 6968 yards, 4.8 ypc
earl campbell - 6457 yards, 4.6 ypc
terrell davis - 6413 yards, 4.8 ypc
no member in the hof has more rushing touchdowns than terrell davis (56) in their first 4 years in the nfl.
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I went over this before ........Was Marc Bulger= Kurt Warner? No
But when he had similar weapons he put up good numbers. Bulger had a 26-10 when he had weapons like Warner
Bulger played well enough for them to cut Kurt Warner
Similar to how Denver had a bunch of running backs do great in that system but Terrell Davis was the best
The Rams had a bunch of weapons in that system, so guys could put up good numbers but Kurt Warner was the best of the system
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if Warner is in (which I think is a yes) then TD should be in
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Ehhh.
I think your minimizing his career. Yea he had alot of blunders but his numbers compare to all time greats. That can't be discredited.
And all it takes is one ring and people forget about the bad and think of you as a winner.
All it takes is one to solidify your "legacy" in today's super bowl or bust way of thinking.
I think your minimizing his career. Yea he had alot of blunders but his numbers compare to all time greats. That can't be discredited.
And all it takes is one ring and people forget about the bad and think of you as a winner.
All it takes is one to solidify your "legacy" in today's super bowl or bust way of thinking.
Again, for everyone saying the system is holding back TD's case, where do you draw the line with this stuff? How much do you hold it against players?
I'm stuck on Bruce and Holt because we're talking about Warner but do you hold votes away from them because of the Martz system they succeeded in? Because IMO they're both HOF'ers as well.
I feel like if you use that excuse, then you need to use it across the board.
I'm stuck on Bruce and Holt because we're talking about Warner but do you hold votes away from them because of the Martz system they succeeded in? Because IMO they're both HOF'ers as well.
I feel like if you use that excuse, then you need to use it across the board.
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did Marc Bulger ever even make the playoffs?
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Well average QBs today can have numbers compared to some of the all time greats. Have to compare to his era (not saying he can't go in but impossible to compare QB numbers to back in the day)
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