No basketball till October :(

Who do you think will win?

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No its the same two guys claiming that the West wasn't tougher than the east this year... dony pay it any mind
 
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I'm still not sure about that knee from ariza.  its not often u see someone jump off one foot to try and block a jump shot
 
Big difference is from 1980 to 1984, there were only 2 series' before the Finals.

There was also like 22 teams in all of basketball during that era. IE, fewer teams to even reach 50 wins.

Magic still reached 13 series wins over 50+ win teams, and his 5 titles, and he did it in a shortened career. He retired at 31, right where Bron will be in 6 months.

Magic played in 39 Playoff series from 1980-91. This will be Bron's 33rd.

When is one of y'all gonna bring some of that up?

I have to do everything around here? :lol


I'm reppin JD because at least he goes back and reviews actual facts. Good stuff man. (surprised the 89 Blazers are on that list, truly. )


You're big on mileage so didn't that actually work in Magic's favor a bit? He finished a Finals series on May 16th in 1980. in 1983 it was My 31st. I'm just curious if you factor that in at all.

IN 81 they went out in the first round, kinda that "recharge year"

Then, he went to 4 straight, and in 86, they got dismantled by Houston, somehow. (that famous backwards shot and Cooper lying on the floor like Mutumbo)

Then they followed that with 3 more runs, and in that 3rd, the whole entire team died.


So early years, there wasn't the same mileage that teams faced from 85 on. Not to mention more teams, more travel, etc. Hell, the sport wasn't even year round back then, they didn't play during the summer like they do now, weights, etc. But overall, he compacted 39 series in 11 years. Or 12, however the math splits. That's a lot. And that's without a first round the first 4 of his years? :eek

9 Finals in 12 years, any way you slice it, is a lot. But, he did get to avoid 4 extra first round series. Now, given that the West was considered weak back then and the Lakers were an insane powerhouse, those were all likely 3-0 sweeps anyways, so not sure the "true" importance of those extra 12-15 games over 4 years.

To me, it's more important that he got wins over the 76ers, the Celtics, and the Pistons, all teams that won titles either before, or after facing Magic. So he was beating true champions those years. Losing to MJ in 91 when Phil put young/fresh Scottie on him, and no one else on the team could dribble a ball, *shrugs* I can't get mad at him for that too much. I've been on record that in 92, they went out and got Sedale Threat to help play off the ball so when they faced Chicago again they would have someone who could handle those duties when Scottie was on Magic. That would have given him a chance at getting his 6th, but alas......
 
The 1980 season started October 12, 1979 and ended March 30th, 1979. The playoff weren't spaced like they are now. The 1980 Lakers played 10 games in 22 days including 2 back to backs. They played back to back in the NBA Finals

The 1981 season started on October 12, 1980 and ended March 30th 1979. The Lakers played a best of 3 since they didn't have good enough to qualify for first round bye because Magic missed 45 games, they played 3 games in 5 days.

The 1982 season is when the season started around the same time it currently does but the 1982, 1983, 1984 playoffs had points when the schedule was bunched
 
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In 1983 the Lakers beat the Spurs at San Antonio for the Western Conference Championship on May 20th and then traveled Philadelphia to face the 76ers on May 22th in the NBA Finals

In 1984, The Lakers beat the Suns at Phoenix for the Western Conference Championship on May 25th and then traveled to Boston on May 27th to face the Celtics in the NBA Finals

Just brutal scheduling :{
 
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And Mike did that when cats was getting clotheslines and they called it a foul vs. today where your headband too high up, and you get a flagrant 2
Yet bill liamber said he'd take Bron over MJ? Wasn't liamber the leader of that bad boys team? [emoji]128064[/emoji]
 
To his grave, Laimbeer is going to hate :lol

MJ could save Laimbeer's mom using CPR and Laimbeer would probably sue for putting hands on his mother
 
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http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/2/86...ors-stats-nba-finals-2015-cleveland-cavaliers

Are you looking for an argument that the Cavaliers have a shot to knock out the Warriors in the 2015 NBA Finals? You will not find it in the following chart.

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On paper, the Warriors are easily the most intimidating team LeBron James has ever faced in the Finals. Whether you look at win total, net efficiency rating or scoring margin, Golden State is tops, and in many cases way ahead. (Notably, LeBron had only previous faced one 60-win team in the finals. That was last year's Spurs, who completely waxed the Heat.)

The scoring margin list is particularly eye-opening. The Warriors had one of the top regular season scoring margins in history, and it's way ahead of the other teams LeBron has faced in the finals. In fact, it's more than double that of the 2011 Mavericks ... who beat James' Heat in a convincing six-game series. Ignore that series and LeBron's teams have beaten two opponents with sub-seven scoring margins in the finals, and lost to the two teams better than that. And the Warriors, again, are way better than that.

Everyone remembers the 2007 edition of the Spurs as being excellent. That team swept the Cavaliers in the finals. We sometimes forget that the 2014 Spurs were substantially better than the 2013 Spurs in the regular season. The 2013 edition lost to the Heat in a heartbreaking seven-game series, and the 2014 version, as noted above, waxed Miami. Not to beat a dead horse, but this Warriors team substantially outperformed even the 2014 Spurs.

This looks really ugly. But here's the chart Cleveland dreamers need to see to help them keep the faith.

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In the first half of the season -- through roughly mid-January -- the Warriors were absolutely phenomenal. That +495 cumulative scoring margin works out to +12 per game. That means the average Golden State game was a 12-point win. Meanwhile, after 41 games the Cavaliers had a scoring margin of zero. They'd flirted with an average scoring margin as high as +4 before a Western road trip before a two-week rest for LeBron threw them back down to mediocre.

Two things happened in mid-January for Cleveland. First, James took that break. When he returned to the court, he changed the offense, put Kyrie Irving in his place and began playing at an MVP level on both ends. Second, Cavaliers GM David Griffin swung trades for Timofey Mozgov, J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert. Everyone around the team seems to credit those additions for Cleveland's surge. And, as the chart shows, it was a massive surge.

Over the second half of the season, the Cavaliers were actually better than the Warriors. Cleveland's second half scoring margin was roughly +9 per game, while Golden State's was around +8. There's an argument that the Warriors ran out to such a massive lead in the West that they eased up considerably, but the Cavaliers (destined for a No. 2 seed for quite a while) actually took more opportunity to rest stars than did their Western counterpart. Clearly, the Warriors weren't as good late in the season as they'd been early on, and some of that can be attributed to their need to be incredible. Nonetheless, the data is there: Cleveland was a better team in the second half of the season.

There's a massive asterisk on this point: Kevin Love was a big part of that second half of the season and he will not be a part of the finals. Though Cleveland aced through the East bracket, there's reason to doubt the Cavaliers that show up in the finals will be as good as the Cavaliers, who had a +9 average scoring margin over the final 41 games of the season. And that doubt is found in Love's shoulder and Kyrie Irving's knee.

At least it's a little slice of hope. Facing a trial like the Warriors, that's all you can ask for.
 
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