NYK '14 offseason thread

What ninja turtle are you?

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Murry isn't a stud or all star but we didn't see a lot of him. I would like to see what he's fully capable of.

**** Chris Paul
 
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wow, you guys are really tweakin right now. ima just chalk it up 2 melo being a free agent & not that we are a bunch of crazies roaming around in this thread.
 
Would you guys rather include shump or THJ to get rid of Amare this year (without taking any contracts back) or would you just wait it out?
 
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Would you guys rather include shump or THJ to get rid of Amare this year (without taking any contracts back) or would you just wait it out?
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Wait it out. Makes no sense to give up Shump or THJR just to get rid of STAT's contract now unless we seriously about to sign LeBron (only dude worth it and that's not likely so far).

When we trade Shump I want a 1st round pick or at least a better player cuz the other team wants Shump due to being dumb, drunk on his potential, or stuck in some bind where they for some reason need his type.
 
I think that if, and I mean if, STAT can stay healthy and play more than 60-65 games the same way he finished the season when he was in the starting line up then he could be a beast, at least on offense if the ball moves and he rebounds more. I won't lie, I am a STAT fan the way some cats dig Melo, I am
a Melo fan as well, but I wish STAT would've opted out and resigned for lower to get actual help. But at the same time he will never see this type of payday again, so he did what he had to. And for all the guys wanting a fancy big name point guard, you don't need one in Phil's system, he never really had one, but the pg better be dead eye accurate.
 
Dude made 150 million + over his career. I'm sure a 5-10 million cut wont hurt. We'd still be severely over paying him (1 year 10-15 mill), but if he did it that would send a serious message to Melo.

If Melo still left, he can always wire that money back to Amare :lol:
 
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Lol 10 mil paycut

If he was willing to do that I wouldn't even want him on the team for being so stupid. I'd rather he takes that money and donates 10 mil rather than take a cut just to have a team that's at best a east semi final team.
 
I really want to make an Amare Jewish joke about him giving up 10 mil but the world is too sensitive nowadays :lol:
 
While I agree with what most of yall are saying and I think Calderon is a much better triangle offense fit than Jameer Nelson or some other point guards on the market, I think that just because Phil has never coached an elite PG (and won championships anyway), doesnt mean he could not win with an elite PG if he brought one in. I think it would be no different than it would with a player like Melo, as long as he buys in and learns the offensive system Phil/Fisher would make it work.

When Phil and Tex Winter first tried to install the triangle offense in Chicago as assistant coaches, Doug Collins refused (and exiled Winter in the process), because he thought the system was too team oriented for the NBA, and especially would never work around a superstar talent like Michael Jordan. But When Phil took over as head coach, he obviously made it work and it made MJ more of a team player.

Then in Los Angeles it was thought the Lakers would have trouble utilizing the system around Shaq because the Bulls never relied on a center to score when they ran the triangle. But once again Phil obviously made it work.

I think having a great PG here would be similar to the Shaq situation in LA. Phil never relied on a center for offense in Chicago because he simply did not have the personnel to do so. But once he was given a chance to coach a dominant offensive center like Shaq, he tweaked the system in order to utilize Shaq's dominance and get the ball to him in one-on-one positions in the low post.

I think that just because Phil has never relied on a great point guard to flourish in his system does not mean he would not be able to do so. I think the bigger problem is more the lack of elite point guards on the open market. The best realistic option is probably Rondo, and even he is a long shot and not a great triangle fit because of his lack of shooting ability.

Phil likes his point guards to possess certain specific qualities over others (such as bigger guards over smaller, good shooters over point guards who need to control the ball alot and drive the lane to be effective, etc.) and I think Phil's skill set preferences work much more in a player like Calderon's favor over Shane Larkin's, but do I think it is a little bit of a myth that Phil would not be able to utilize the skill set of an elite PG if he had the opportunity to do so.
 
You gotta go out of your way to win. Sure its not his job, but it'll make his job 100x easier if he has a hand in helping.
 
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