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He doesn't fit the triangle though.Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest
blazers should cut miller
it be nice to have miller...do it mitch!
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He doesn't fit the triangle though.Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest
blazers should cut miller
it be nice to have miller...do it mitch!
He can't shootOriginally Posted by I NaSmatic I
He doesn't fit the triangle though.Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest
blazers should cut miller
it be nice to have miller...do it mitch!
Originally Posted by got shoes
He can't shootOriginally Posted by I NaSmatic I
He doesn't fit the triangle though.Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest
blazers should cut miller
it be nice to have miller...do it mitch!
[h3]Miller back on block?[/h3]
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Looks like coach Nate McMillian and Andre Miller got in a war of words at practice today.
Part of the exchange, via Brian T. Smith of the Columbian:
Miller loudly disagreed with McMillan, at one point stating, "I ain't going to take this (stuff)."
McMillan later fired back: "You don't play the way we want to play."
Miller, an offseason acquisition by the Blazers, has struggled to find a role with the team at times, further complicated by the fact that Brandon Roy prefers to run with Steve Blake.
In his chat earlier this week, ESPN's Chad Ford noted that if anyone was to get traded from the Blazers, it would be Blake. But Miller's name surfaced in trade rumors earlier this season, and if he's at odds with his coach, he could potentially be back on the block.
http:// [h3]Grizzlies near breaking point?[/h3]
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Since dropping Allen Iverson, the Grizzlies have arguably been the most surprising team of the year, as they're now 17-17 after starting out the season 3-8.
But their entire starting lineup is nursing injuries. According to the Memphis Commercial Appeal, O.J. Mayo has a sore hip, Mike Conley has a tender right shoulder, Rudy Gay is still feeling the affects of a sprained right ankle, Marc Gasol has a bruised right elbow and Zach Randolph has a sore right knee.
None of them are expected to miss any time, but if any conditions worsen, the Grizzlies might become shorthanded.
And as ESPN's John Hollinger noted in his chat today, if any one of their top four goes down, it could be tough to eek out the last playoff spot in the West.
[h5]John Hollinger[/h5]
Grizzlies shouldn't trade picks for an expiring contract
"I've heard talk of Memphis dealing one or two first rounders (L.A.'s or Denver's, not their own) to get a player to help. But they don't want anyone with a contract past this year. That's pure silliness if they go down the road of dealing a first-round pick for an expiring, especially since they're still going to need some good fortune to crack the top eight in the West -- remember, they're basically counting on four guys (Gasol, Randolph, Gay, Mayo) to stay healthy for 80-plus games to have much of a shot."
"If Toronto moves Chris Bosh -- and that remains a possibility -- they would do so for frontline help. They're young at 2-guard and could use the athleticism Tyrus Thomas brings, but Kirk Hinrich is a shorter version of Hedo Turkoglu and Andrea Bargnani. That, in short, would make it a bad deal for the Raptors."
Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest
let me rephrase this
pick up miller cut sasha!
Originally Posted by 18key
Miller, Outlaw, a grip of money and a 1st round pick for Granger?
Originally Posted by got shoes
Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest
let me rephrase this
pick up miller cut sasha!
I can see that, but who will replace him as a big guard. Walton?
I mean of course Sergio isn't the best player on the Kings. But it so happens that the best players on the Kings happen to have negativeratings too... It happens though with these unique approaches to stats.Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
Marc Gasol is +13
http://basketballvalue.co...r=2009-2010&team=MEM
BTW this is adjusted for your teammates and the competition you face, so bench players don't get an advantage because they play 2nd unit guys.
It's not fool proof, it's noisy so you need a decent sample size before you draw any conclusions, so don't get gassed up about Hasheem Thabeets +9
Sergio is the best player on the Kings!
Who said that? All it means is when Sergio was on the court the kings played better than they usually do, that doesn't mean he is the best.
Sergio a back up point guard who has played limited minutes,the two year rating of basically 0 is probably more accurate, he is an average to slightly above average point gaurd imo.
Yeah i know, but LA has to have someone put up some garbage minutes while Kobe is resting. That's why i would say Walton even though he is aSFOriginally Posted by westcoastsfinest
Originally Posted by got shoes
Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest
let me rephrase this
pick up miller cut sasha!
I can see that, but who will replace him as a big guard. Walton?
walton plays sf...sasha is just a waste of space
miller and sasha basically play the same position
Originally Posted by bhzmafia14
Originally Posted by 18key
Miller, Outlaw, a grip of money and a 1st round pick for Granger?
I don't think Indy would want Miller's contract in terms of years.
Granger injury prone? yesOriginally Posted by I NaSmatic I
Granger is very good but he is injury prone and one dimensional. Not even going to talk about Dunleavy, Murphy or Ford.
Sarcasm?Originally Posted by 18key
Miller, Outlaw, a grip of money and a 1st round pick for Granger?
Originally Posted by bright nikes
Richard Justice a Houston writer said today a possible Pacer/ Rockets deal is being discussed. Danny Granger, Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy or T J Ford would go to Rockets for Tracy McGrady , Brian Cook and a #1 pick.
but Kirk Hinrich is a shorter version of Hedo Turkoglu and Andrea Bargnani. That, in short, would make it a bad deal for the Raptors."
What a moron...
Complete. I read the article on the last page saying Pritchard wasn't looking to trade Miller or Outlaw, and yeah, made up my fantasy trade.Originally Posted by rck2sactown
Sarcasm?Originally Posted by 18key
Miller, Outlaw, a grip of money and a 1st round pick for Granger?
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
http://insider.espn.go.co...%26page%3dPERDiem-100107
anybody got this insider article, props in advanced.
[h2]Top under-the-radar performers[/h2] [h3]PER Diem: Jan. 7, 2010[/h3]
NBA regular-season games come pretty fast and furious, and in the tumult sometimes we miss a few details. While certain stories race to the forefront (I can think of a current one in D.C., for instance), others get left behind.
That applies to players' performances, as well. Some exploits have leapt to the fore -- many of you, for example, have already read and heard about Gerald Wallace's outsized rebounding exploits this season. But how many of you have noticed what his teammate, Raymond Felton, has been up to?
The same applies in Sacramento, where Tyreke Evans has deservedly become an attention sponge. However, that has soaked up any ink we might have spilled on equally compelling stories about the play of fellow rookie Omri Casspi or the renaissance of Beno Udrih.
That's where I come in. Today I'm presenting my all "under-the-radar" team. This isn't a list of players who are underrated, per se, but those whose performances this particular season aren't receiving nearly enough attention. To use an example from above, Wallace is underrated in the big-picture sense, but has gained plenty of notoriety for his work on the glass in this particular campaign. On the other hand, two perennial All-Stars are plenty famous in the big-picture sense, but strangely unheralded for what they've done this season. They're the first two players on this list, as you might have guessed, and here it is:
Steve Nash, Phoenix
I think most people realize Nash is having a pretty good season, mostly because the Suns are winning. However, very few people realize he's having the best statistical season of his career, even better than his two MVP seasons.
For a 35-year-old point guard, this is simply extraordinary. Nash's shooting percentage (54.3 percent), points and assists per 40 minutes (22.6 and 13.4, respectively) and player efficiency rating (24.64) are all on pace for new career highs. And his true shooting percentage leads all non-centers with at least 100 shot attempts.
Here's another example of how good he's been: You know the 50-40-90 club, for breaking 50 percent from the floor, 40 percent on 3s and 90 percent from the line? Nash is not only on pace for a third straight season in that esteemed group, but also has a chance to create a new one called "55-45-95" -- he's at 54.3-44.1-94.2 right now.
Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Defensively, I'm not sure he's back to being the monster he was. Offensively? He's crushing. Duncan ranks second only to LeBron James in PER -- with a 27.74 mark that exceeds what he did in his two MVP seasons.
Duncan's 55 percent mark from the floor would set a new career high; his 76.4 percent from the line is the best he's done in eight years. He isn't putting up gaudy per-game numbers because he's averaging only 31 minutes a game, but Duncan's renewed vigor is the primary reason behind San Antonio's quiet creep up to second in the Power Rankings.
Carl Landry, Houston
By all rights, Landry should be the runaway winner of this year's Sixth Man Award. He may, in fact, merit a spot on the All-Star team. He's been Houston's stealth go-to guy, averaging a staggering 25.1 points per 40 minutes off the bench and doing it with spectacular efficiency: Landry shoots 54.2 percent from the field and 86.5 percent from the line.
The only thing that might prevent Landry from winning the Sixth Man trophy is if he claims a spot in the starting lineup. The current arrangement limits him to only 26.9 minutes per game, which is a little odd considering he's been far and away the team's best player. One wonders if replacing Luis Scola or Chuck Hayes with Landry might give the Rockets an extra boost of offensive firepower.
Corey Maggette, Golden State
Everyone dumps on the Warriors for the six-year, $48 million deal they gave Maggette in the summer of 2008, but look a little closer: He's been fabulous this season. He's shooting 53.3 percent from the floor after landing in the low-to-mid 40s for most of his career. Combined with his supernatural skill at drawing fouls, the high mark from the floor gives him a 62.9 TS%, placing him among the league's most efficient scorers.
He scores a lot, too -- 26.1 points per 40 minutes -- while his rebound rate is on pace for a new career high. As a result, he quietly ranks fourth among small forwards in PER behind the holy trinity of LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Carmelo Anthony.
And for those of you who complain about the whistles LeBron James and Kobe Bryant get, eat your heart out. I swear to you, nobody gets more superstar calls than Maggette, even though he's nobody's idea of a superstar. It's unbelievable but undeniable once you watch enough Warriors games, and it further pads his astounding free throw totals.
Beno Udrih, Sacramento
Udrih was disastrously bad last season but has been one of the league's most improved players this season. Like a lot of the other players on this list, he's shot the ball much better, hitting 51 percent from the floor and 41.1 percent on 3s. But an equal partner in Udrih's rise has been reducing turnovers. Despite his being mostly a midrange shooter, he had a stubbornly high turnover rate his whole career, losing the trust of coaches in San Antonio and Sacramento.
This season, however, his turnover rate is in single digits for the first time in his career. He's barely there at 9.9, but that number puts him in the top third of point guards and makes it much easier to keep him on the floor for his scoring.
Luke Ridnour, Milwaukee
Brandon Jennings has been only the second-best point guard in Milwaukee this season. Ridnour is having a career season off the bench -- a well-timed one, I might add, since he's a free agent this summer -- and of all the players on this list, he's the one who has exceeded his career norms the most.
Ridnour had never shot better than 41.8 percent from the floor; this season he's at 51.6 percent. He'd made one-third of his career 3-pointers; this season he's at 38.2 percent. He'd barely averaged a point every three minutes for his career; this season it's better than one every two, for a stunning 20.2 per 40 minutes.
Overall, Ridnour's 19.26 PER (sixth among point guards) and pesky perimeter D make him a strong candidate for the Most Improved Player award ... provided anybody notices given all the attention on Jennings' play thus far.
Kevin Love, Minnesota
Love missed the start of the season with a broken bone in his hand, but he's been ridiculously efficient since returning 18 games ago. For starters, he leads all power forwards in rebound rate -- and only Dwight Howard and Greg Oden outrank him leaguewide. Additionally, he's shown himself to be a capable scorer. Love's 19.5 points per 40 minutes make him a solid third option in Minny, especially since he's nearly doubled his assist ratio from last season.
Sum it all up, and his 23.37 PER ranks fourth among power forwards and is just 0.21 from being second. He won't make the All-Star team because his team is bad and his D remains suspect, but at age 21 Love already is an All-Star caliber player.
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah
When focusing on Utah's disappointing results the past two seasons, Kirilenko makes for an easy target. He earns $16.5 million this season and hasn't delivered on his six-year, $86 million deal, operating more as a role player than as a centerpiece. Plus, his lack of fire can be a little disconcerting at times.
That said, he's been the only Utah wing player to do anything of consequence this season. While Ronnie Brewer and C.J. Miles struggle to play decently at either end, Kirilenko is putting together a second straight solid season off the bench. Unlike the other players on this list, Kirilenko's play hasn't been wildly out of line with his career norms. But his minutes have made an impact -- the Jazz are 6.8 points per 100 possessions better with AK-47 on the floor this season, with the entire difference coming at the defensive end.
Raymond Felton, Charlotte
After four years of making virtually no improvement, I had given up on Felton. But out of the blue he's taken a big step forward in Year 5, mostly because he's finally making shots. Felton had been one of the worst finishers in basketball year after year, but this season he's making better decisions at the rim and converting 47.1 percent from the floor.
As a result, his TS% is above 50 for the first time in his career and his PER is above the league average for the first time, as well. Those two firsts may be joined by another come spring -- a first-ever playoff appearance for both Felton and the Bobcats. As with Ridnour, his timing is impeccable since it's a contract year.
Omri Casspi, Sacramento
David Thorpe stole my thunder on this one, but Casspi has been magnificent as a late first-round steal by the Kings. Mainly, the cause has been his unexpectedly spectacular shooting. He's making 47.1 percent of his 3s despite an odd under-the-chin motion, and he's been solid inside the arc as well (49.8 percent from the floor overall), averaging nearly a point every two minutes.
Additionally, he's been gaining steam of late. Casspi has four straight 20-point games and seven in the last month; he's also yanking down nearly eight boards a game in his past seven contests. Thanks to Evans' exploits, Casspi has little chance of winning Rookie of the Year, even if the vote were held in his own locker room. But it's rare to see an import light it up like this in his first year stateside. As with the other players on this list, it's an accomplishment worthy of more attention than it's received.
Originally Posted by JapanAir21
but Kirk Hinrich is a shorter version of Hedo Turkoglu and Andrea Bargnani. That, in short, would make it a bad deal for the Raptors."
If Kevin Love played for the Memphis Tigers, mike probably would've been saying the same thing everybody else was saying.
Love played for UCLA and i thought he had no future in the NBA
in fact in the thread on players you have missed on i said Kevin love cause he is doing WAY more in the NBA then i ever thought he would do
he has a point tho with hedo, the type of role hinrich does for a team Hedo does alsoOriginally Posted by Bigmike23
What a moron...Originally Posted by JapanAir21
but Kirk Hinrich is a shorter version of Hedo Turkoglu and Andrea Bargnani. That, in short, would make it a bad deal for the Raptors."
I hope Kevin Martin proves you wrong. Haha.Originally Posted by rck2sactown
Granger injury prone? yesOriginally Posted by I NaSmatic I
Granger is very good but he is injury prone and one dimensional. Not even going to talk about Dunleavy, Murphy or Ford.
One Dimension? No. The guy is a very good scorer, knows how to rebound and initiate the offense, plays solid D. Possibly the Pacers' best defender. When I think one dimensional I think Kevin Martin.