**Official '11 NYK LOCKOUT thread*** lockout over

not really a bum and he doesnt deserve to suffer, but i dont want him on the team. btw denver is looking to move up in draft. #17 for chandler?
 
Originally Posted by Ballinsam23

not really a bum and he doesnt deserve to suffer, but i dont want him on the team. btw denver is looking to move up in draft. #17 for chandler?
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swaps picks with them along with Mozgov for Balkman
 
@$%% that. They screwed us getting the most they could.

So, 17 + Balkman & Douglas for Mozgov, Gallo & Chandler.
 
take it for what it's worth

By Alan Hahn

LeBron James teased you. He took you to the brink. Everything seemed to be falling into place and a long, tough season was reaching a redeeming climax.

And then he announced he was taking his talents to South Beach.

You among the jilted are now reveling in his failure Sunday night in the NBA Finals. But let me ask you this: had he decided to come to New York, do you think he'd be any less reviled? Do you think the exterior angst would be any less intense?

Sure, this is merely hypothetical now. But so was the foundation of his Decision. The way the story now goes, LeBron never seriously considered signing with the Knicks. He was allegedly afraid of the challenge that came with New York, the overwhelming task that was lifting this long-lost franchise from the ashes without tarnishing his image and billion-dollar marketing aspirations.

During the fourth quarter, I texted an NBA player wondering why LeBron looked so passive and said he wasn't showing a killer instinct.

"Thats why lebron went to mia," came the reply. "He isn't a killer."

This is the story some want to believe, and as LeBron trudged off the court while Dwayne Wade looked exasperated, Chris Bosh cried and Dirk Nowitzki celebrated his first NBA title (while most people completely missed the obvious foreshadowing).

One season after his infamous decision, LeBron fell two wins short of an NBA championship. Who among you wouldn't have signed for that last July?

And while you giggle at LeBron's perplexing disappearance on the big stage, know this: He absolutely did have the Knicks in mind.

It was enough that he had his agent, Leon Rose, reach out to the Knicks the day after their July 1 visit and let them know that Pat Riley and the Heat had outlined a plan that would enable his franchise to sign LeBron plus two other all-stars, including his buddy, Dwyane Wade.

Q: Why give the Knicks some insider information if you've already eliminated them as an option?

A: Because you haven't eliminated them as an option.

In their meeting, which came before Miami's that day, the Knicks also presented a strategy that would bring two other stars in to join him in New York, with a belief that Amar'e Stoudemire -- a player LeBron tried to get the Cavs to acquire -- was already in the mix. The difference in the two plans was that the Knicks showed the ability to land a third star (likely Chris Paul) in 2012. The Heat, however, could do it immediately.

LeBron's group wanted to give the Knicks a chance to explain their plan again with a little more detail. How could they ensure salary cap space in 2012 to bring in that third star?

Donnie Walsh was just two weeks from a hospital release after his neck surgery and had traveled from Cleveland to Chicago to meet with Wade and Bosh. His condition, which included the wheelchair that was exploited by other teams, didn't permit him to jump back on a plane back to Cleveland to sit down with Rose and another one of LeBron's representatives. So Walsh sent Glen Grunwald, who has become a widely respected, reliable and organized front office executive (despite the effort by some to link him to Isiah Thomas), and MSG Sports president Scott O'Neil went along to do what he does best as a marketing expert: sell the plan.

But one thing the Knicks couldn't do was accelerate the strategy to make it all happen in one year. Eddy Curry's contract ($11.2M) was a serious problem that couldn't be easily eliminated to create enough room to add a third star free agent. The Heat had the advantage of owning Dwyane Wade's Bird Rights (and Wade's recruiting pitch).

Game, Set, Match.

The future is now Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony, with the 2012 plan (and Chris Paul) still somewhat intact, though that can dramatically change if the next CBA system is as restrictive as the league wants it to be.

It will also impact the Heat, who have $63M in guaranteed contracts for 2011-12 and $67M in 2012-13. If the NBA gets the hard cap system they want (they are floating a $45M cap), the Heat will have an almost impossible time improving the roster via free agency. And so will the Knicks. A hard cap system puts emphasis on team-building and smart roster moves over throwing money around.

And the Superteam era won't exactly end. On the other side of the hard cap, the Heat will still emerge with two of the best players in the league in LeBron and Wade, and the Knicks will have two all-stars in Amar'e and Carmelo.

The Heat, despite their loss to a very gritty, veteran Dallas team, are already championship-caliber. The Knicks still have a lot of work to be done. Though LeBron did come up small in a big spot, he still was a big reason why the Heat got that far.

Carmelo seems to want the big moment more and historically is more successful at it. But what Carmelo has to prove is he can do it over the long haul; that he can endure the battles that lead you to the big moment in the NBA Finals.

So go ahead and revel in the Miami misery and LeBron's failure this year, but know that they are the team to beat in the East and will be for years to come.
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I think that's reasonable to believe. We did get a second meeting, but not wanting to wait a year is understandable.

Having to wait a year for maybe a 3rd superstar + the NY media, it's a fair reason not to come to NY.
 
that bum wanted instant gratification in a town that doesn't care if you fail

the funny part is that not one person would be mad if he lost the first few years in nyc because we wouldn't be favorites.
 
Don't like the idea of AI here now. Maybe a few years back to give it a try but not now. Dolan don't want him anyway so he'd play GM again if anybody in management expressed that idea.

As for LeBron and his decision he's already shown that he can't be the guy and can't finish. Just doesn't have that stomp on the neck killer mentality so I don't even want him here.

As for the 3 star plan. If LeBron signed here with Amar'e that team would've been good enough to win a chip. Don't know why LeBron has it in his mind that a Big 3 is the only way. Them losses to the Celts must've got to him. Also, if he was bent on that idea he along with Dolan could've forced Donnie to make the same exact Melo deal they made before the deadline.
 
there was absolutely nothing the knicks could have done

curry's contract was not getting moved. especially without a firm commitment from lebron. Wade would not have went to new york even if we had 3 max spots
 
Originally Posted by RoOk

Growing up in New Jersey I did support the Knicks and went to some games growing up. But Iverson was my favorite player and I became a Sixers fan. After the past few years I began to lose interest in them and I honestly became a Knicks fan last year and prayed that Bron would sign with them. Even without Bron, the first half of the year I loved watching that team. If you kept them together for a few years they could have grown together, added a few pieces along the way and turn into something real special. I was actually FOR trading for Melo but not at the expense of losing Felton, Gallo, Mozgov AND Chandler. But even with that I was still excited to see them play with two legit superstars....until I watched just about every game of Melo on the Knicks. Dude is selfish as hell and slows the game down so much that it's hard to watch. Pump fake, jab step, pump fake, another jab step, lowers his shoulder into the defender, takes two dribbles towards the basket and takes a mid-range jumper. I hate playing with those type of players and I'm sure in real life all of you would as well, no matter how talented the guy is. Before that the Knicks had a free flowing offense with young players that loved playing together. The chemistry was awesome. I really don't understand how you can say they couldn't win with that team plus a few added pieces. I think that team would have beat the Celtics first round.

I know most of you didn't support them trading all 4 of those guys plus draft picks either but that's what the Knicks did. They took a shortcut and they now have no cap room to sign #!+*. On top of that I think Melo was absolutely the wrong guy to put next to Amare. Their whole cap room is now dedicated to two forwards who like to get the ball at the top of the key and go iso, and neither is a good passer. It looked like Chauncey got real old right before our eyes last year as well but maybe he'll prove me wrong next year. I'll support the Knicks either way but unless Chauncey goes back to the Chauncey before he got traded to NY and Fields goes back to how he played before the Melo trade I just don't like the team as it currently stands at all.

I'm not hating on them I just don't know how you can be a fan of them and not see the same stuff that I just said. Instead, most of you are delusional and think they have a chance at signing young guys that people will be throwing money at like Chandler, DeAndre Jordan and Aaron Brooks.....or even Dalembert who will be getting ATLEAST the full mid-level. People that could help the Knicks that they COULD possibly sign are Grant Hill, Ronnie Price, Vujacic, Rasual Butler, Reggie Evans, Lou Amundson, Luc Mbah a Moute, Fesenko, Kwame Brown and Mo Evans. Maybe they could find a way to get Rip Hamilton too if he really wants to play with Billups again.

Just thought I'd get everything out the way.........
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shut the !@%# up. why don't you go start a 'No Team In Particular Offseason Thread'
 
[h6]What do you think is the greatest moment of the New York Knicks 2010-11 season? Trade for Melo? Amar’e 30pt scoring streak? Watch MSG Countdown on MSG Network tonight at 8:30 to find out.[/h6]
 
My favorites... Ray's game winner over Toronto
Gallo's dunk on Hibbert and that two hand reverse he had against Boston. (Although All-Time Gallo moment was his first time in a Knicks "jersey" at summer league as a rookie where he did the Shammgod
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Amare's block on Lebron - while being a poor defender and rebounder, it was great to see Amare step up and make the play defensively. I know he can't do it consistently, but it was important to see he can do it
Carmelo's game winners against Memphis and Indiana - Important too because that's why we made the trade, and right now the team needed someone to hit a clutch shot and Melo was our guy


Carmelo's 42, 17, 6, and 2 block game 2 against Boston - while not giving us a win it again proved Melo's worth to the team. While it might be a challenge, it's easier to find role players to fill your team's weaknesses, but players who can put up that kind of night in the playoffs is much more rare.
 
Originally Posted by Big J 33

I think that's reasonable to believe. We did get a second meeting, but not wanting to wait a year is understandable.

Having to wait a year for maybe a 3rd superstar + the NY media, it's a fair reason not to come to NY.
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Agreed.

So I guess you guys can blame Curry for one other injustice.
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i blame the sociopath way more than fat boy

ironically the sociopath convinced the drunk that he could have gotten the coward
 
Amare's 30 pt streak. (if that counts)

the guy was unstoppable. Every 18ft jump shot he took I thought was going in. Every single one. Made it sweeter that it came after a slow start in which everyone called him overrated. (but those of us who were watching from the start knew the effort was there). Plus we were winning each game.
 
two of my favs were felton's game winning three against toronto and the knicks vs nuggets game we won because i was at both

i miss the old knicks personality wise
 
I was at that Toronto game too, but my favorite moment had to be the Mia game where Billups hit the 3 and LeBron got blocked at the end. Gave everybody a belief, at least for the moment, and for some the first time in years that the Knicks have a serious team...that was a great game
 
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