Originally Posted by you go boy
first of all trading toney douglas for johnny flynn makes no sense... douglas is definitely better and all the knicks got off the bench... if they trade toney at least get a good point guard like andre miller or somebody with value...and trading up to get jimmer is also dumb... i wouldn't mind picking him up if he falls at 17 our spot but if we trade up we need to get a big man like bismack...our biggest need is the center position and then the 1 and 2 position... id get that guy out of providence too...hes 2nd best in the league in scoring so thats showing something
Im confused to how we KNOW that douglas is DEFINITLEY better than flynn... this doesnt make much sense to me at all. We KNOW that douglas is better than Flynn because of 2 NBA seasons in which Flynn played in the worst kind of offensive system possible for him with no supporting cast and also injured?
First off Flynn was picked 23 picks higher than TD in the same draft, which has to say at least something, he is also 3 years younger than Toney and we were very high on him and you can bet that if he would have fell 2 picks later the Knicks would have drafted him over J. Hill at 8 and Douglas would have never been a Knick.
I dont get how some of yall are saying that trading Toney for Flynn makes no sense but getting a guy like Andre Miller does. PG for the next year or so is not the issue because we already have Billups on the roster, which is the only reason getting Dre would make sense because hes lasting no longer than Billups really. Our priority is to get a guy who will be ready to take over once Billups is done and IMO and i know the Knicks think so as well it is better off getting a young PG now rather than a year or 2 down the road if we can so they have the chance to ease in to the role as a backup initially, learn from one of our generation's greats in Chauncey, and take over when they are ready to.
Lets face it, Toney is good off the bench but he really has no more ceiling, he is a very poor decision maker, and he will never be a starting PG. The Knicks should get a young PG to try and develop as our future guy in case someone like CP3 or Williams doesnt work out because of the CBA, and Flynn may be the smartest option because although he will come relatively cheap due to his underachieving past 2 seasons, he has a higher ceiling imo than any PG available at 17 outside of maybe Selby, but is safer because he was not drafted as high as he was for no reason and he was put into a triangle offense right away. It would also potentially save us from using a draft pick on a PG allowing us to address other needs which is good for us because we have so many holes.
Our system would benefit Flynn's athleticism right away, he is a good decision maker, and he is a warrior and a great leader who wont be intimidated come playoff time playing with Melo/Amare. I really feel like alot of yall are underating him/ throwing him under the bus too early in his career. I mean look how easily the Wolves got Beasley this season because he had some issues in Miami and he really tuned around this year. Also Flynn will benefit like no other learning from Billups because his carreer got off to a similar bumpy start and alot of people were counting him out as a bust before he turned around his career and now is a sure hall of famer.
Im not saying Flynn will definitley turn around his career and be our PG of the future... what i AM saying is that he has a much better chance to be than Douglas (obviously) and using that piece to get him is a much better option than getting dues like Sessions, Andre Miller, etc etc who have no ceiling what so ever. Thats why if the deal is Flynn for Douglas, i think it makes perfect sense for both teams, and i say pulll the damn trigger. We gotta take some chances and its not like we can get MUCH better value for TD even if he doesnt pan out as planned. So i really dont see why alot of yall are saying that this deal makes no sense but are instead suggesting going after Andre Miller.
I do agree with you about Jimmer though, although i am totally for drafting him so long as he falls to us at 17 and he is by far the best option. I would be disappointed if we traded up only to take him over a guy like Bismark.
Also, alot of drafts have Kemba falling to as far as #9 to Charlotte. If we could trade up and hes still available what do yall think about drafting him if we can? I am mixed because hes undersized and hes not really a true point plus he controls the ball alot something we really dont need at all with Melo/Stat already but hes a tough NYC kid who could potentially be our PG moving forward and his skill/toughness/grit was meant for NYC/MSG so i thought i would just put out the option...
EDIT: and just to weigh in on the SG discussion, i feel like Fields HAS to be the starter next season no matter what. If he ends last year like he did and than gets benched next season, he is done. He needs to start next year and if he can get back to where he was before (which i think he will once this team starts to click, which naturally takes awhile) or even more hopefully pulls a DLee and improves where he was last season (which ialso think he will because he has the hard working attributed that Lee had and he knows he played like *#%% and he wants to regain the love he lost in NY) it will benefit this team.
I have been saying that it is foolish to give up on him because this team will take awhile to click and he is much better than he played late in the season/playoffs but he reminds me alot of DLee as in he was a 4 year college player, a husstle player, and a low draft pick. Dude is a hard worker he is not finished yet and you can bet like DLee used to he will be living in the gym working on aspects of his game like ball handling and shooting range, defense, etc. NOBODY though Lee had any ceiling when he got here but he worked his *@% off and went from a noboodt, to a hustle player, to our best offensive option and even a spot on jump shooter.
My point it Fields NEEDS to be the starter because not only does he give us the best option imo because he is talented, can hit the open shot, but he is unselfish and will play D which we need when Melo/Stat will control the ball, but also IF he can get back to last season status or even improve we could either keep him as the full time potion at the 2 moving forward but it will ALSO improve his trading value immensely to the point that it was at earlier this season where he almost anchored a Melo deal. Who knows? maybe he could do the same in a CP3 deal... those are all unknowns but to put an end to the Fields project this early in his career after the way he played for 80% of last season would be detremental to Fields' career and our team moving forward.
Any 2 guard we draft should come off the bench initially which is why i am more open to guys like Klay Thompson because he is a spot up shooter which we need with guys like Melo/Stat, or Alec Buirks since he can also play the point and has a higher ceiling, than a Marshon Brooks because while i agree Marshon is a great player, he dominates the rock and is not a distributor like Burks or a shooter like Klay. I see Burks as more of a Jamal Crawford kind of guy which is not by any means bad but not exactly what we should be looking for.
