Official 2012 Boxing Thread: JMM/Manny IV - FOTY.

[cafinest23]

Originally Posted by freakydestroyer

Canelo may not be as skilled as Pacquiao or Mayweather, but he is BIGGER than them. Did you guys watch Mosley vs Sergio Mora? He did not do enough to beat Sergio Mora then a few months later Mora got KO'd by some bum. Alvarez is a little overrated, but he's too much for Mosley at this point. Remember we are talking about Shane Mosley, not Bernard Hopkins.

Alvarez by wide decision is the most likely outcome.

Mora is tough to hit clean. Alvarez is looking past Shane talking about future fights with JCC Jr. and Sergio. Who did that last? Amir Khan looking past Lamont Peterson (even though the DC ref helped him out)Now if I was betting I'd take Canelo because his size and youth are two big factors, but I wouldn't be shocked if Shane upsets him either.

 

[proshares]

I'd put a few bucks on Shane for the KO.

Jay, I think if he wins they'll go the route of Vanes for Canelo. There are still a bunch of good fights to make at 154 and I really doubt they put JCC Jr in there with him.

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

I agree and Shane went into Survival Mode vs Un-arguably the best two fighters walking the planet.

Well, can you blame him?

One thing he isn't, is stupid.

He's seen PBF systematically destroy Hatton, JJM, and DLH, he's seen Manny relentlessly go after Hatton, Cotto, and Margarito, he knows how to do exactly that. Survive.

Canelo doesn't have the speed and power Manny has, and he's not nearly as talented in the ring as Floyd is. Those were Shane's two worst losses easily. I've never been a huge fan of Canelo in the first place though. I don't deny that he's a good up-and-coming boxer, but I just don't see anything about him that screams boxing star to me. I feel like a lot of people have been touting him as such, the next big thing, but I don't see it.

I'm very intrigued to see how he does though, I want him to do well, I just don't see it right now.

 $50 bucks says yes

, PBF didn't destroy DLH

Cmon  pro, TR vs  gbp fighters isnt happening

 

[scott frost]

Mosley is cooked.

 

[proshares]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Cmon  pro, TR vs  gbp fighters isnt happening

Yea, wasn't thinking there

.

Maybe this:

Canelo hopes Floyd isn't far off.

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Junior middleweight titlist Saul "Canelo" Alvarez is only 21 and just beginning to come into his own. Yet even before he won a world title 14 months ago, he and his team talked about his one day facing the great Floyd Mayweather Jr.

With each passing fight, that scenario appears to come closer and closer to fruition.

In September, Alvarez stopped Alfonso Gomez in the sixth round to retain his title at Staples Center in Los Angeles. Although the bout was the main event inside the arena, television viewers around the world watched the fight just before the main event of the telecast from Las Vegas -- Mayweather's fourth-round knockout of Victor Ortiz.

[h4]Mayweather-Cotto[/h4]
TV lineup for the card Saturday night (HBO PPV, 9 ET, $59.95) at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas:

• Junior middleweights: Miguel Cotto (37-2, 30 KOs) vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. (42-0, 26 KOs), 12 rounds, for Cotto's title

• Junior middleweights: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (39-0-1, 29 KOs) vs. Shane Mosley (46-7-1, 39 KOs), 12 rounds, for Alvarez's title

• Welterweights: Jessie Vargas (18-0, 9 KOs) vs. Steve Forbes (35-10, 11 KOs), 10 rounds

• Junior middleweights: Deandre Latimore (23-3, 17 KOs) vs. Carlos Quintana (28-3, 22 KOs), 10 rounds

Now Alvarez is co-starring again on a Mayweather card, and this time they will be in the same building -- one step closer to a probable meeting.

While Mayweather, a welterweight champion, moves up to junior middleweight to challenge Miguel Cotto for his piece of the 154-pound title in the main event of the card at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on Saturday night (HBO PPV, 9 ET), Alvarez will defend his version of the title against Shane Mosley, the former champ and onetime Mayweather victim, in the co-feature on Cinco De Mayo.

It seems like just a matter of time until Alvarez and Mayweather, both significant favorites Saturday, fight each other.

"Well, it's definitely something we have to sit down and talk about after May 5," said Golden Boy promoter Oscar De La Hoya, who represents Alvarez. "Those would be the plans in the near future."

When De La Hoya was fighting, he was the pay-per-view king. In 2007, he lost his junior middleweight title to Mayweather in the biggest-selling pay-per-view in history. With nearly 2.5 million buys, it blew away the previous record of just a hair less than 2 million.

De La Hoya believes a fight between Mayweather -- whose pay-per-views regularly exceed 1 million buys -- and Alvarez, Mexico's most popular fighter, would do humongous business.

"I actually would be biting my nails," De La Hoya said, "because that fight can get close to my fight with Floyd Mayweather."

Alvarez had hoped he would be standing across the ring from Mayweather on Saturday, but Cotto -- boxing's third-biggest pay-per-view attraction behind Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao -- got the nod.

Alvarez (39-0-1, 29 KOs) took it in stride. He figures his time will come.

"No, no, no, the bout doesn't bother me at all," Alvarez said through a translator about being on Mayweather's undercard. "Floyd Mayweather, he's on the throne. He decides, and he can decide right now because he is at the top. He's pound for pound the best fighter in the world, and all we have to do is keep working hard, keep winning our fights, and that is my goal -- to fight the best fighters in the world, but one at a time."

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Tom Hogan/Hoganphotos/Golden Boy PromotionsCanelo Alvarez, far left, will fight Shane Mosley, far right, on Saturday in Las Vegas, but the real prize for the junior middleweight champ would be a bout with headliner Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Many expect Alvarez to dominate Mosley (46-7-1, 39 KOs), a former three-division champion. Mosley is 40 and has looked woefully bad in his past three fights. He was routed in a near-shutout decision loss to Mayweather, settled for a surprising draw with Sergio Mora and then was throttled by Pacquiao. Mosley spent more time trying to touch gloves with Pacquiao than he did throwing punches. At least against Mayweather, Mosley had a big moment in the second round, when he rocked him and nearly knocked him down.

Alvarez just wants to win convincingly and move on to a bigger fight, perhaps against Mayweather.

"We're working very hard so that the people leave very convinced that I am the winner and that I am ready for bigger and better things," he said. "I have something Shane wants, and I want something he has. He wants my belt, but I want his experience."

It's possible a Mayweather-Alvarez fight could come as soon as September if both win Saturday. Although Mayweather reports to jail for an 87-day sentence June 1, he said he intends to fight again in the fall. Golden Boy has penciled in Alvarez's next fight for Sept. 15, which is Mexican Independence Day weekend and a usual date for a major pay-per-view.

Although Mayweather didn't specifically talk about a fight with Alvarez, it would be his obvious biggest fight, given that a Pacquiao bout seems so unlikely.

"I want to stay active; I want to fight again in 2012 before the year is up," Mayweather said. "I want to constantly go out there and test my skills, and I want to continue to just push myself to the limit."

Mosley would like to throw a wrench into the plans. But his biggest problem in the three recent poor outings was a lack of activity. He simply couldn't pull the trigger to fire punches the way he once did at such a blistering pace.

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Alvarez said, however, that he isn't viewing Mosley as a shot fighter.

"I'm very motivated because I am fighting a fighter of Shane Mosley's caliber," said Alvarez, who is a Mosley fan. "When I was coming up in boxing, I used to watch a lot of videos to pick up stuff from him, to learn from him. So today, to now be fighting him is a dream come true, and I know once inside the ring, there's going to be some obstacles and it's going to be difficult at times. But I have no doubt that we're going to go out and be the winner.

"Many people are saying that I'm the big favorite, but I can't underestimate a fighter like Shane Mosley. I am confident of my conditioning, of my training, of the camp I've had, but not of the opponent. I'm going to be very wary, very smart in taking my punches, but very, very confident that he's coming in at his best. I'm looking forward to fighting the best Shane Mosley ever."

That might be a stretch considering Mosley's recent fights. But Mosley claims the reason for his pitiful performance against Pacquiao was he entered the fight with an Achilles tendon injury. Perhaps that's why he moved so slowly and had to be convinced to continue fighting by trainer Naazim Richardson when he tried to quit between rounds late in the fight.

Mosley, of course, told everybody that he felt great going into the Pacquiao fight, and he is doing the same for Alvarez. So should folks believe him?

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"Well, I mean, it's up to them to make that decision -- if they want to believe me or not," Mosley said. "When they go to the betting odds and they put their money down and they bet, just know that I warned you.

"There is a lot to be said about being 100 percent healthy leading up to a fight. Come [Saturday], I will be ready. I am sticking to my game plan, and using the doubters and naysayers that are out there as my motivation to work hard."

Mosley knows he is being counted out by nearly everybody and that he was given the fight as a way for Alvarez to score a big name for his résumé.

"The haters are what keep me motivated," Mosley said. "Domination is on my mind. I want to be the best I can be and showcase my strengths. I feel young, but I have the wisdom of an older fighter. Canelo will be surprised when he's not fighting the 40-year-old he thinks I am.

"Some media members might be overlooking me because of my age. I'm considered an underdog. I like being the underdog and proving people that I am not. I'm not going to rule the fight; I'm going to dominate. I will be the first fighter to beat Canelo."

If Mosley does pull it off, well, there goes Mayweather-Alvarez in the process.

 

[shaunhillftw49]

You get the feeling they're setting that up but what weight?
doubt it happens considering Mayweathers' prison term and the likelihood they want a Sept card with him
I predict if Canelo wins, he fights Cotto sept
Also the under card looks terrible.
Vargas v Forbes? Latimore v Quintana?
I am interested in seeing  Figueroa even if it's against a worse opponent than his prev. two.

Stacked Sat overall w/ the card w/ Steigletz, Chris john, Rafael Marquez v Yamaguchi etc

 

[jking0821]

Mosely vs Alvarez will probably be more exciting then pbf vs cotto
Considering canelo isn't hard to hit per se it will be interesting to see if mosely has it in him to pull it off.  I think Canelo still wins though.

I would love to see Canelo fight Sergio.  Just because i think canelo is over rated and sergio deserves a big fight.  I would love to watch sergio destroy him.  But that probably won't happen.  Sergio getting older now promoters will duck him for another 4 years and he will leave boxing.

 

[shaunhillftw49]

I mean Martinez probably would destroy him. He's the #3 fighter in the world,so it wouldn't make or break a case of 21 yr old "Canelo" being overrated.
If anyhting,f fighting Martinez would be a huge learning experience for him.
Sergio was getting KOed at the age of 26 and he's the top middleweight now. People act like Alvarez can't improve.
Martinez getting ducked is nothing new. He's been calling out Mayweather, Margarito and Chavez

 

[scott frost]

$70 for the HD PPV Saturday night? No Tecate rebate because of the Corona sponsorship deal? God damn

 

[gunna get it]

Originally Posted by Scott Frost

$70 for the HD PPV Saturday night? No Tecate rebate because of the Corona sponsorship deal? God damn

I dont dig the bar scene for fights but I might do it this time.

 

[proshares]

Ain't it always $70 in HD? I would never do the bar scene again for PPV, $20 cover & $8-$9 beers = no bueno.

 

[el producto79]

Proshares, your avy dude...

I'm glad my tan is natural.

 

[gunna get it]

Ive never paid 70 for a HDPPV

at most its been $59


I quit my job in December so I cant do the ridiculous PPVs like I used to

 

[scott frost]

#+#+, quit, working, trust fund, whatever, $70 for PPV, this is getting outrageous.

* will get drunk and buy though *

 

[nikeairbound]

Cablevision has this PPV for $60 but Fathom Events has this fight in Movie Theatres nationwide for $18 a person. It looks like they have it in more than 1 theatre in most major cities.

 

[scott frost]

Originally Posted by SJSneakerheadIII

Has anyone ever been to a weigh-in in Vegas for a big fight before??

I'm going to Vegas this coming weekend for the fight and wouldn't mind checking out the weigh-in with my pops.

If anyone has been, what time did you lineup??

Posted this in the fight thread but in case you read this:

May-Cotto weigh-in is open to the public tomorrow at the MGM Grand Garden Arena
and begins at 2:45 pm, PT #boxing



Hope that helps.

 

[airjordan jb23]

$70?

 

[aepps20]

That's a ton of money. I'm just headed to my local AMC to watch the fight.

 

[ap27]

Originally Posted by Proshares

I'd put a few bucks on Shane for the KO.

Jay, I think if he wins they'll go the route of Vanes for Canelo. There are still a bunch of good fights to make at 154 and I really doubt they put JCC Jr in there with him.

Same. Canelo really hasn't impressed me yet. Shane may not be Sugar Shane Mosley anymore, but this is a HUGE step up for Canelo. His best moment in boxing was stopping Carlos Baldomir

. He's got a ways to go before I'd pick him to beat B+ competition easily. Not saying he won't get there one day, and I don't dislike him or his style, but I don't see him winning that fight, especially given even that Cotto and Hatton's crappy brothers were able to get in a few shots on him.

 

[freakydestroyer]

Shame Mosley is going to get whooped, you don't need to be Pacquiao or Mayweather to beat him at this point. 

 

[scott frost]

I always thought there was tension or some level of disdain between Steve Kim, who I respect, and Dan Rafael, who I think is a clown, and now it has finally bubbled to the surface. Thank you twitter.

 

[proshares]

what happened? I like em both but Dan is just too deep in his own gimmick and blatantly despises some fighters.

 

[scott frost]

It stems from his chat today:

[h6]Joe (Pensacola, FL)[/h6]


Robinson DAN-o, what are your thoughts on criticisms leveled by other writers that Gary Shaw is not actually a promoter, but is really just a "TV packager" who is happy to put his fighters in nondescript Indian casinos without building any sort of fan base? Too harsh? Agree? Disagree?
[h6]Dan Rafael
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One writer making that condescending comment is what it is. Let that writer put up his own money, of which he probably has none.

Direct shot at Steve Kim.

I would recommend reading Kim's timline post that because I am not good at copying at pasting.

 

[proshares]

just read all of it, it's too bad he's not in Vegas this weekend.

 

[lesgodsonc0]

Originally Posted by Proshares

what happened? I like em both but Dan is just too deep in his own gimmick and blatantly despises some fighters.

THIS.

Rafael's humor is too damn corny at times. Dude is still using the "Toe" Haye jokes...it's been almost a year already.