Official 2012 NBA Trade Deadline Thread: The Dwightmare is Over.

[|A-Man|]

Originally Posted by 81ackMamba

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Originally Posted by bhzmafia14

Hoodwinked tho?

You right. It's more like bamboozled since it was an inside job with Jerry West.

Yeah, because the Lakers didn't trade an eventual All-Star in Marc Gasol for him. 

To me, that's no different than giving the Grizzlies a future first round pick.

An eventual all-star after how many years for a guy who became a two time champion and was a key part in getting there?

 

[al3xis]

Pau is still one of the better bigs in the league but what do teams like Houston and GS want with a soon-to-be 32 year old 7' who has logged heavy minutes his entire career? Not like he's putting them over the top or anywhere near it.

 

[noblekane]

Originally Posted by LBJ23navo

I don't see how the Warriors would want to do that trade.. 

you all arent getting it. steph curry is broken. he is like trying to glue glass together with elmers glue. forever broken...

 

[doublejs07]

Just screwing around...

or

 

[ValarMorghulis]

I like the 3 way trade for everyone

Good job GMDoubleJs

 

[bhzmafia14]

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Originally Posted by 81ackMamba

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

You right. It's more like bamboozled since it was an inside job with Jerry West.

Yeah, because the Lakers didn't trade an eventual All-Star in Marc Gasol for him. 

To me, that's no different than giving the Grizzlies a future first round pick.

An eventual all-star after how many years for a guy who became a two time champion and was a key part in getting there?

 I'm tired of everybody talking about this deal. The deal is a lot better than people gave credit for. Memphis was the laughing stock of the league after that deal was made, but they ended up clearing a ton of cap space to bring in ZBO, two 1st round picks that became Arthur and Vasquez, Marc Gasol and Crittenton. 

How the pieces fell for Memphis after the deal, made it one of the better trades for a small market team trading away an all-star. I guess you can say it was similar to the Hornets situation in a way. Grizzlies could've received Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and Nocioni (or whatever the Bulls were offering) or went with the capspace, picks and a young prospect. It was either be a fringe playoff team, or try to build the team into a great team.
  

 

[airjordan jb23]

at that Portland deal... Straight robbery.

 

[coldcity]

taking blatche & mcgee

 

[kevin cleveland]

Nobody is taking Blatche with him.

If the Wizards really want to part ways with McGee, they have to do it now before he hits free agency and leaves for nothing. Or they have to give him $50 million. No leverage.

How about deal around McGee and Pierce?

 

[alleniversonfan01]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by AllenIversonFan01

Originally Posted by Goldmember



I thought the Magic wants bynum and gasol for howard .... That's hell of a lot better than harden and ibaka.. Just sayin

Yea I dont know if its legit Bynum and Gasol because I think that would have been done already. 
But as for Harden. I like his game. But I think most of that is because of the fact that he is on the floor with Durant and Westbrook. If he is a teams first scoring option I wouldnt be too comfortable with that. But maybe thats just me. 

  
i must ask, how many OKC games do you really watch?

because you do know the reason harden doesn't start is so he can come into the game and be the main option on the floor for the second unit

yes he closes games with those guys.. but he gets a good hand full of his mins being "the man"


and there is no way this trade even gets considered UNLESS dwight says he will sign an extension in OKC without an opt out clause

Well putting the fact that you are an OKC homer asside. Yes he gets a handful of those minutes in the second off the bench against the other teams second unit, not really showing me he can be "The Man" getting guarded the other teams back up 2 guard. And then when hes out there with Durant and Westbrook he is turned into a defensive specialist who can hit a three or make a nice drive here and there. I watch plenty of games homie. There was no hate. Like I said I like Harden and really like his game. But I would question him being "The Man" against starters where the second option would be Turk. 
He is a great piece on your team tho. I would love him on the Knicks.

And sure I could be wrong. But if my other options are Monte, Curry or Bynum I wouldnt take Harden as my option thats all I was saying. I would def be asking for Westbrook if I was going to do a Dwight trade with OKC

 

[|A-Man|]

That situation will have a great affect on if Wall dips imo. Wiz better get it right.

 

[calibeebee]

Originally Posted by AIRJORDAN JB23

at that Portland deal... Straight robbery.

doesn't matter. Gasol would just suffer a career ending knee injury anyways sooooo.......

 

[hankmoody]

I've been reading the trade value column for at least 9 years now. Kind of crazy. Paradoxically, I do read less Simmons now more than ever due to Grantland. The other pieces are usually much better.

 

[scientific method]

Originally Posted by AllenIversonFan01

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

AllenIversonFan01 wrote:

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Goldmember wrote:

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I thought the Magic wants bynum and gasol for howard .... That's hell of a lot better than harden and ibaka.. Just sayin

Yea I dont know if its legit Bynum and Gasol because I think that would have been done already. 


But as for Harden. I like his game. But I think most of that is because of the fact that he is on the floor with Durant and Westbrook. If he is a teams first scoring option I wouldnt be too comfortable with that. But maybe thats just me. 

  
i must ask, how many OKC games do you really watch?

because you do know the reason harden doesn't start is so he can come into the game and be the main option on the floor for the second unit

yes he closes games with those guys.. but he gets a good hand full of his mins being "the man"


and there is no way this trade even gets considered UNLESS dwight says he will sign an extension in OKC without an opt out clause
Well putting the fact that you are an OKC homer asside. Yes he gets a handful of those minutes in the second off the bench against the other teams second unit. And then when hes out there with Durant and Westbrook he is turned into a defensive specialist who can hit a three or make a nice drive here and there. I watch plenty of games homie. There was no hate. Like I said I like Harden and really like his game. But I would question him being "The Man" against starters where the second option would be Turk. 
He is a great piece on your team tho. I would love him on the Knicks.

And sure I could be wrong. But if my other options are Monte, Curry or Bynum I wouldnt take Harden as my option thats all I was saying. I would def be asking for Westbrook if I was going to do a Dwight trade with OKC


You know Harden had 30 just last night right?

It's funny people try to use you having more knowledge of a team against you when arguing. As said, James is a million times better than Thabo or Cook, him not starting has nothing to do with whether or not it's believed he can produce against starters or make plays. In fact, it's commonly believed he is being held back playing with KD and Russ. He averages ~10fgas a game.

I could go either way on that trade. I'd prefer and know Presti would to, to do it with our own guys we drafted and developed since nobody really does it like that anymore, but can't deny Westbrook, KD, and Howard plus whoever is a formidable lineup assuming they can figure out how to not have Howard clog their driving lanes. Now if you take Perkins back instead of Ibaka, and don't make us take Turkaglou's contract, I'll drive Perkins to the airport. Of course that's rape though.

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I can't believe we offered Wash the #3 pick that turned into Harden for McGee either and they said no. They probably would have taken Evans with it anyways (most people thought the Harden pick was a mistake).

I am waiting for something to happen. I wonder if the Bulls trade over Rip and bring in another SG, needs to happen.

 

[bhzmafia14]

Originally Posted by Scientific Method

Originally Posted by AllenIversonFan01

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime



  
i must ask, how many OKC games do you really watch?

because you do know the reason harden doesn't start is so he can come into the game and be the main option on the floor for the second unit

yes he closes games with those guys.. but he gets a good hand full of his mins being "the man"


and there is no way this trade even gets considered UNLESS dwight says he will sign an extension in OKC without an opt out clause

Well putting the fact that you are an OKC homer asside. Yes he gets a handful of those minutes in the second off the bench against the other teams second unit. And then when hes out there with Durant and Westbrook he is turned into a defensive specialist who can hit a three or make a nice drive here and there. I watch plenty of games homie. There was no hate. Like I said I like Harden and really like his game. But I would question him being "The Man" against starters where the second option would be Turk. 
He is a great piece on your team tho. I would love him on the Knicks.

And sure I could be wrong. But if my other options are Monte, Curry or Bynum I wouldnt take Harden as my option thats all I was saying. I would def be asking for Westbrook if I was going to do a Dwight trade with OKC

You know Harden had 30 just last night right?

It's funny people try to use you having more knowledge of a team against you when arguing. As said, James is a million times better than Thabo or Cook, him not starting has nothing to do with whether or not it's believed he can produce against starters or make plays. In fact, it's commonly believed he is being held back playing with KD and Russ. He averages ~10fgas a game.

I could go either way on that trade. I'd prefer and know Presti would to, to do it with our own guys we drafted and developed since nobody really does it like that anymore, but can't deny Westbrook, KD, and Howard plus whoever is a formidable lineup assuming they can figure out how to not have Howard clog their driving lanes. Now if you take Perkins back instead of Ibaka, and don't make us take Turkaglou's contract, I'll drive Perkins to the airport. Of course that's rape though.

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I can't believe we offered Wash the #3 pick that turned into Harden for McGee either and they said no. They probably would have taken Evans with it anyways (most people thought the Harden pick was a mistake).

I am waiting for something to happen. I wonder if the Bulls trade over Rip and bring in another SG, needs to happen.

 

[savraj1]

(Responding to  couple of pages back) I don't think the Heat trade Joel Anthony; he's been a defensive anchor all season.  And why would they want an injury-plagued Bogut?

 

[beware the underdog]

Originally Posted by henz0

Why would the Warriors do that

West is the GLOAT.

 

[denni5themenace]

oops

 

[IATT]

Originally Posted by AllenIversonFan01

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by AllenIversonFan01

Yea I dont know if its legit Bynum and Gasol because I think that would have been done already. 
But as for Harden. I like his game. But I think most of that is because of the fact that he is on the floor with Durant and Westbrook. If he is a teams first scoring option I wouldnt be too comfortable with that. But maybe thats just me. 

  
i must ask, how many OKC games do you really watch?

because you do know the reason harden doesn't start is so he can come into the game and be the main option on the floor for the second unit

yes he closes games with those guys.. but he gets a good hand full of his mins being "the man"


and there is no way this trade even gets considered UNLESS dwight says he will sign an extension in OKC without an opt out clause

Well putting the fact that you are an OKC homer asside. Yes he gets a handful of those minutes in the second off the bench against the other teams second unit, not really showing me he can be "The Man" getting guarded the other teams back up 2 guard. And then when hes out there with Durant and Westbrook he is turned into a defensive specialist who can hit a three or make a nice drive here and there. I watch plenty of games homie. There was no hate. Like I said I like Harden and really like his game. But I would question him being "The Man" against starters where the second option would be Turk. 
He is a great piece on your team tho. I would love him on the Knicks.

And sure I could be wrong. But if my other options are Monte, Curry or Bynum I wouldnt take Harden as my option thats all I was saying. I would def be asking for Westbrook if I was going to do a Dwight trade with OKC

again i ask, do you watch any OKC games?

do you not know what thabo's role is?

 

[alleniversonfan01]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by AllenIversonFan01

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

again i ask, do you watch any OKC games?

do you not know what thabo's role is?

Yes I know Thabo starts because of his D. But Harden finishes because of his D and the fact that he IS an offesive threat so the other team cant double Westbrook and Durant. But what both OKC fans who quoted me are not getting is that I didnt say he cant play against starters. Or that he is a bad player. I am saying that I wouldnt want him as my number one option. If Durant and Westbrook broke their ankles 2morrow (God forbid) would you honestly feel comfortable with Harden as your #1 option for the rest of the season?
Or if they had career ending injuries would you feel comfortable building a team around Harden? Because essentially that is what Orlando would be doing trading basically Dwight for Harden. 

Again Im sorry if I hurt anyones feelings. But I was just saying the trade isnt even on par with the other offers floating around right now. 

 

[scientific method]

In the West and on this particular team that has only 3 scorers (only 5 players scored against Phx last night) and now we have 1 since 2 are injured, and an unreliable rookie 3rd string backup pg, and a backup pg out for the season, and our starting pg injured, no, but in the East and coming alongside Ibaka to add to a roster, absolutely.

As I type this, Ibaka just blocks the %$#! out of Gee 2 times on the same possession, blocked Jamison the previous possession, leading to a break finished by Harden, come back down and block Jamison again and score, and Ibaka just blocked Irving again; literally 5 blocks here in the last minute of the half.

You could do much worst.

But I can see how somebody would like Monta better. I like James because he is very efficient, 48/36/85 with a 2 to 1 assist ratio which is a slept on part of his game . Bynum and Gasol would be ultimate, but the Lakers aren't going to give you both.

I'll go as far as to even paypal bet you he makes an all star game in the next 3 yrs.

 

[alleniversonfan01]

I wouldnt even take that bet because I know he could do it (I mean if Deng made it). He is a great player and I never wanted to come off as I was saying he wasnt good. My initial post was just that there are much better options for Orlando who is trading away their franchise player.

So I guess what I said just got taken into a whole nothing thing from the other OKC guy. Its all good tho. Cuz you right they could do much worse than Ibaka and Harden. But they could also do much better. Thats all I was trying to say initially.

 

[scientific method]

Like Brook "I average per game the amount of rebounds Dwight does per quarter" Lopez? I think it'll come down to whoever is willing to take Turk's 22mil over the next 2 yrs plus player option for 12.2mil on the 3rd or at least JRich (or Big Baby or Jameer) along with Howard.

 

[pmatic]

A trade I cooked up.

Nets get: Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Stephen Jackson
Magic get: Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks, Ersan Ilyasova, Mehmet Okur, Kris Humphries, Shawne Williams, the Nets' 2012, 2014 first round picks and the Rockets' 2012 first round pick (from the Nets)
Bucks get: Anthony Morrow and Johan Petro

Might have to include more players to balance out the rosters, but no one substantial.

 

[noblekane]

^ the magic come out like bandits. the nets become a team with no depth. and the bucks lose ilyasova for nothing...