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Who will win the inaugural COVID Invitational Jamboree?


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Scary. Seriously.
 
Let me get this right: If Lebron wins it won’t really count because it’s in the bubble. If he loses it hurts his legacy even though it s an asterisk because it’s in the bubble? No win situation
 
How about this then

MVPs: MJ-5, Bron-4
Finals MVPs: MJ-6, Bron-3
All NBA 1st team: MJ-10 1st team in 15 seasons (10/11 total selections) , Bron-13 in 17 seasons (13/16 total selections)
All NBA Def 1st team: MJ-9 1st team selections (including DPOTY), Bron- 5 1st team selections
Scoring titles: MJ- 10, Bron-1
Other league leading season stats: MJ- 3 steals titles, Bron- 1 assist title
MJ has the highest regular season scoring average
Bron has higher rebound and assist averages than MJ but not the highest ever

So unless the definition of 'peak': ie being at the summit or best has changed recently exactly what argument is there other than he's played longer and accumulated more stats (ie longevity).

becuase.

Longevity is a criteria some people weight it more heavily than others. I personally favor peak performance, but it is PERFECT REASONBLE to weight longevity more heavily.

hence the fact that it is arguable.

in terms of peak performance it's simply close enough to be arguable.

You could say, totally reasonably something like;


Lebron James played against better opponents, Jordan's last 3 championships came against a league watered down by expansion.

While Jordan maybe be the better individual defender Lebron James size, versatility, and rim protection make him the more versatile and valuable defender.

Lebron is a way better passer and able to lift his teammates to greater heights. Hence why he was able to drag 10 different teams to the finals and beat a heavily favored GSW team. some MJ never did.


now I would respond with efficient one on one iso scoring is the most valuable skill in playoff basketball and Michael Jordan is the greatest iso scorer of all time so therefore Mike is the goat...

I favor Mike but it's close enough that lebron argument is not insane.


There is a non insane Kareem argument and a non insane Russel argument. but MJ fans wanna stick there heads in the sand.

fine do you. :lol:
 
I'm a big Caruso fan. He is finding a role for himself in the league despite not being much of a player in college. He averaged 8 ppg in 4 years at Texas A&M. The list of NBA guards who spent that long in college and didn't average double-digits in scoring has to be pretty small. Even the scrubs riding the bench or other role players in the league were usually big-time scorers for their colleges.
 
It all smacks

"the best player of my generation is the GOAT and Im going to lord it over all you younger people untill the day i die"


:lol
 
It’s perfectly reasonable to want to have at least 16 Elite seasons of LeBron over 12 and 1/4 elite seasons of MJ.
 
It’s perfectly reasonable to want to have at least 16 Elite seasons of LeBron over 12 and 1/4 elite seasons of MJ.

as a wise american poet once said, it's levels to this ****. MJ's elite seasons are on a different planet than Bron's - no disrepek to Bron. MJ individually dominated on a higher level & we can use things such as stats, awards, peer feedback, etc to validate this & his teams dominated on a greater & higher level than Bron's teams.


it's also funny how people wanna bring up MJ's competition but are the same people who wanna dismiss competition when lebron playing in the leastern conference is brought up
 
If luke wins 8 championship
as a wise american poet once said, it's levels to this ****. MJ's elite seasons are on a different planet than Bron's - no disrepek to Bron.

lol yah but they aren't tho.

the metrics and stats are close. very close, why do MJ fans want to pretend like they aren't.

Yall think MJ is Gretsky. he's not. Gretsky the statistical gap is comically giant. MJ and Bron it's close. very close.
 
AD's TS% with the amount of difficult mid range shots he takes is insane

step backs, off dribble, one driblbe pullies, jab and straiht up. often contested af too lol
 
Imagine if MJ played with three different teams consisting of D Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Kevin Love, and Anthony Davis.

Stacking the deck MJ would've been a sight to see
the league wasn't stacked enough to even do this then. even with these players on Lebron's team he still played against superior talented teams for the most part.
 
as a wise american poet once said, it's levels to this ****. MJ's elite seasons are on a different planet than Bron's - no disrepek to Bron. MJ individually dominated on a higher level & we can use things such as stats, awards, peer feedback, etc to validate this & his teams dominated on a greater & higher level than Bron's teams.


it's also funny how people wanna bring up MJ's competition but are the same people who wanna dismiss competition when lebron playing in the leastern conference is brought up
LeBron Career vs Leastern Conference- 27/7/7 on 50% shooting

LeBron Career vs Lesstern Conference- 27/8/8 on 50% shooting
 
becuase.

Longevity is a criteria some people weight it more heavily than others. I personally favor peak performance, but it is PERFECT REASONBLE to weight longevity more heavily.

hence the fact that it is arguable.

in terms of peak performance it's simply close enough to be arguable.

You could say, totally reasonably something like;


¹Lebron James played against better opponents, Jordan's last 3 championships came against a league watered down by expansion.

²While Jordan maybe be the better individual defender Lebron James size, versatility, and rim protection make him the more versatile and valuable defender.

Lebron is a way better passer and able to lift his teammates to greater heights. Hence why he was able to drag 10 different teams to the finals and beat a heavily favored GSW team. some MJ never did.


now I would respond with efficient one on one iso scoring is the most valuable skill in playoff basketball and Michael Jordan is the greatest iso scorer of all time so therefore Mike is the goat...

I favor Mike but it's close enough that lebron argument is not insane.


There is a non insane Kareem argument and a non insane Russel argument. but MJ fans wanna stick there heads in the sand.

fine do you. :lol:

1. Bron did not go up against better opponents, I debunked that last year (I'll try and go find the post). The East was a dumpster fire the entire run of those 8 straight finals and he was pretty much the only guy who had another top tier player on his team in the conference. He did face better competition overall in the finals if you talking about the Warriors (but then you're still giving him hella credit for losing once he got there).


2. Bron could really never guard 1-5, PFs and C routinely big boy'd him even during his defensive prime (those Pacers teams). He was a great help defender, I don't know if I'd call chasedown blocks rim protection but that's just me. And consistency has to mean something, Jordan took that end of the floor seriously for the vast majority of the time. Bron did it for 4 years in Miami and really nowhere else.

3. Drag to the finals is a gross exaggeration. The only teams that qualify for that are the 07 and 18 teams. The other years he went he had no less than 2 other all stars and or another all NBA player on his squad. MJ never had to beat the Warriors cause the Bulls were the Warriors don't see how that's an argument against him.

There's levels to this MJ and Magic were the two guys who did the most in the least amount of time. Bron and Kareem had sustained greatness. That's just the truth.
 
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