OFFICIAL 2021-2022 COLLEGE FOOTBALL THREAD

[651akathepaul]

top 25 schools can't hoard all of the high school recruit talent. Alabama and Ohio State were never going after those underlooked 2 and 3 stars anyway. Those kids were always going G5 or FCS.

This is exactly what I alluded by saying outside the A&M, Georgia situations, which was only specific to the posters. Everyone only has top programs in mind. You mention top 25, but there's over 100 FBS programs. There's also a myriad of HS prospects outside the top 100 that makeup all of FBS rosters. It's not designed for the top 25 schools, but it undoubtedly benefits them by far. Like I said, these dudes leaving these top 25 programs are taking spots from HS kids and a lot of times it turns out there was a reason they didn't start at said top 25 school...Maryland, Oregon State, Georgia Tech...whomever...they see a 4 or 5 star recruit in the portal that went to Michigan, was unhappy there because he didn't play as a frosh, and they salivate over that. Limited to no college film on him, but hey, he was recruited by A, b, c, d, etc. schools, so we'll take him over a HS kid. Ends up in camp, is a dud and they have to deal with it while the kid from HS they wanted goes to Illinois who made room for him for another kid that has to go to Rutgers....so on and so forth, but in the dozens, no, hundreds.

You can have opinions on Deion, but I don't think he's a moron by any stretch. It's like one minute everyone loves him, but then he's a dumbass for his thoughts like they weren't humming his tune on 21st & Prime.

I still wonder if he's even as good a coach as it seems. I have my doubts, and always had, but I also think that's a different game, so to speak, than the recruitment aspect. And to that, I trust he's astute as you can be and I see a lot of validity to his claim.

 

[651akathepaul]

The entities being hurt are the lower tier P5s, G5s

How is that a good thing though? It further separates the competitive balance, as shoddy as that may be.

 

[atlsfinest]

This is exactly what I alluded by saying outside the A&M, Georgia situations, which was only specific to the posters. Everyone only has top programs in mind. You mention top 25, but there's over 100 FBS programs. There's also a myriad of HS prospects outside the top 100 that makeup all of FBS rosters. It's not designed for the top 25 schools, but it undoubtedly benefits them by far. Like I said, these dudes leaving these top 25 programs are taking spots from HS kids and a lot of times it turns out there was a reason they didn't start at said top 25 school...Maryland, Oregon State, Georgia Tech...whomever...they see a 4 or 5 star recruit in the portal that went to Michigan, was unhappy there because he didn't play as a frosh, and they salivate over that. Limited to no college film on him, but hey, he was recruited by A, b, c, d, etc. schools, so we'll take him over a HS kid. Ends up in camp, is a dud and they have to deal with it while the kid from HS they wanted goes to Illinois who made room for him for another kid that has to go to Rutgers....so on and so forth, but in the dozens, no, hundreds.

You can have opinions on Deion, but I don't think he's a moron by any stretch. It's like one minute everyone loves him, but then he's a dumbass for his thoughts like they weren't humming his tune on 21st & Prime.

I still wonder if he's even as good a coach as it seems. I have my doubts, and always had, but I also think that's a different game, so to speak, than the recruitment aspect. And to that, I trust he's astute as you can be and I see a lot of validity to his claim.

This still doesn't change the math problem. There are still 130 programs in FBS and each program has 85 scholarships (~11050 total FBS players). Yes, there is more movement among the players at the FBS level, but it is still a zero-sum scenario where one school's game is another school's loss. So there's still the same total number of players and thus the same amount of high school players need to be recruited every year, the only thing changing is where these players are being recruited to out of HS. This is why Dion suggestion of raising scholarship limits makes no sense.

Like I said earlier, the issue isn't the transfer portal screwing over HS kids. It is the several hundred players with an additional year of COVID eligibility eating up scholarships.

 

[nako xl]

This is exactly what I alluded by saying outside the A&M, Georgia situations, which was only specific to the posters. Everyone only has top programs in mind. You mention top 25, but there's over 100 FBS programs. There's also a myriad of HS prospects outside the top 100 that makeup all of FBS rosters. It's not designed for the top 25 schools, but it undoubtedly benefits them by far. Like I said, these dudes leaving these top 25 programs are taking spots from HS kids and a lot of times it turns out there was a reason they didn't start at said top 25 school...Maryland, Oregon State, Georgia Tech...whomever...they see a 4 or 5 star recruit in the portal that went to Michigan, was unhappy there because he didn't play as a frosh, and they salivate over that. Limited to no college film on him, but hey, he was recruited by A, b, c, d, etc. schools, so we'll take him over a HS kid. Ends up in camp, is a dud and they have to deal with it while the kid from HS they wanted goes to Illinois who made room for him for another kid that has to go to Rutgers....so on and so forth, but in the dozens, no, hundreds.

You can have opinions on Deion, but I don't think he's a moron by any stretch. It's like one minute everyone loves him, but then he's a dumbass for his thoughts like they weren't humming his tune on 21st & Prime.

I still wonder if he's even as good a coach as it seems. I have my doubts, and always had, but I also think that's a different game, so to speak, than the recruitment aspect. And to that, I trust he's astute as you can be and I see a lot of validity to his claim.

Wouldn't the scenario you just described benefit teams lower down the tier though?

That high school kid ends up at Rutgers, when he would have otherwise ended up at Illinois. Illinois gets the kid that would have otherwise went to Michigan.

Again, I don't see the issue? If the kid was clearly good enough out of high school he'd have gone to Michigan in the early signing period. As you described and things currently stand, lower prestige schools are getting kids on campus for 1-2 seasons that they would have had no chance at prior (especially because the early signing period, which probably is predatory and harmful to kids, forces premature decisions and kids who are being slow played end up at their safety schools.)

If the complaint is that a blue chip kid is going to an also ran instead of a playoff contender, the truth is Alabama has basically been the only school who has repeatedly passed on 4 and 5 star kids. But EVEN THEY for the most part will take a talented HS recruit over a 1 and done transfer (example: This year they slow played and didn't offer Elias Ricks, the top CB in the portal, until the very last minute because they had their eye on HS DB recruits they ended up not getting.) If a HS kid is good, he'll get an opportunity somewhere.

Failing to recruit HS players and relying year after year primarily on transfers who will only give you 1-2 seasons is a losing formula and a good way to crater the developmental depth on your roster. We've seen that at schools like Texas State and Kansas. Teams are hype on the portal right now because with the 2020 extra eligibility there's been a smorgasbord of available options, and kids pivoting because of NIL opportunities they didn't have when they made their original commitments, but it'll sort itself out.

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An actual idea that I've read is possible is there being a transfer window to enroll like in pro soccer; but how would that help kids who don't have sports agents to negotiate those moves in a timely manner, and how can you justify the student athlete label when you're putting enrollment restrictions on kids that normal students don't have?

 

[N41D]

Did not know this was federal policy/guidelines in these situations. It doesn’t seem like it sets up well for optics purposes, given how delicate/helpless that has to be as a parent, but I guess it makes sense.

You would hope guys like Zwerneman and Ketchum would be aware of this or at least have done a little homework before cavalierly throwing out “Jimbo knew and ignored her mother! He’s got some explaining to do!”

Ultimately, hope Demond gets what he’s got coming. This **** is sorry and disgusting.

 

[atlsfinest]

 

[nako xl]

 

[witnesskb24]

Id have a few others ahead of Franklin but everything else is spot on for the most part

 

[atlsfinest]

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

You can't measure a lunch pail mentality or grit

 

[N41D]

Wanna bet he gets drafted?

 

[atlsfinest]

Wanna bet he gets drafted?

White
Models his game after Edelman
Roommates with Mac Jones
"Hard working"
"First in, last out"
"Coaches son"

 

[nako xl]

You can't measure a lunch pail mentality or grit

That tweet is ********, because one of the things they actually do check at the combine is "would you want your daughter to marry him," and he scored a 110%.

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The Mitchell Trubisky hype train is leaving the station.

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[casper90403]

sounds about white.

 

[casper90403]

how bad did Chris Steele do at the combine nako xl ??

 

[tmay407]

how bad did Chris Steele do at the combine nako xl ??

On3 thought he actually had a really solid showing. He might just not actually be that good.

 

[nako xl]

how bad did Chris Steele do at the combine nako xl ??

He, Drake, and ITS had good combines.

 

[tmay407]

Did not know this was federal policy/guidelines in these situations. It doesn’t seem like it sets up well for optics purposes, given how delicate/helpless that has to be as a parent, but I guess it makes sense.

You would hope guys like Zwerneman and Ketchum would be aware of this or at least have done a little homework before cavalierly throwing out “Jimbo knew and ignored her mother! He’s got some explaining to do!”

Ultimately, hope Demond gets what he’s got coming. This **** is sorry and disgusting.

I guess this gives justincredible7 an out for talking out of his *** yet again? Since Zwerneman and Ketch didn’t even know about the rules.

Didn’t Briles essentially get in trouble for not forwarding issues to the Title IX department and talking to the women about not going forward with allegations? AKA the exact opposite of how you’re supposed to handle the situation. And somehow his henchman Kendall didn’t get wrapped up in any of it.

 

[nako xl]

I guess this gives justincredible7 an out for talking out of his *** yet again? Since Zwerneman and Ketch didn’t even know about the rules.

Didn’t Briles essentially get in trouble for not forwarding issues to the Title IX department and talking to the women about not going forward with allegations? AKA the exact opposite of how you’re supposed to handle the situation. And somehow his henchman Kendall didn’t get wrapped up in any of it.

Did not know this was federal policy/guidelines in these situations. It doesn’t seem like it sets up well for optics purposes, given how delicate/helpless that has to be as a parent, but I guess it makes sense.

You would hope guys like Zwerneman and Ketchum would be aware of this or at least have done a little homework before cavalierly throwing out “Jimbo knew and ignored her mother! He’s got some explaining to do!”

Ultimately, hope Demond gets what he’s got coming. This **** is sorry and disgusting.

I’m not sure that this is accurate. One of the requirements under title IX law is that a victim reporting an incident be made aware of their rights under title IX. Failing to acknowledge or respond to their report for an extended period and ignoring messages (even if you’ve passed it on down the chain) wouldn’t meet that requirement. In fact, if forbid the victim were to self harm in the interim because she thought she was being ignored and silenced, for example, it accomplishes the exact opposite of its intended policy purpose.

I only know about this case from what N41D has been posting in here but if he went radio silence and she really didn’t hear back from anyone for a while, that’s a fairly strict (and if you’re anti- Jimbo, convenient) reading of that law I’d imagine.

 

[justincredible7]

I guess this gives justincredible7 an out for talking out of his *** yet again? Since Zwerneman and Ketch didn’t even know about the rules.

Didn’t Briles essentially get in trouble for not forwarding issues to the Title IX department and talking to the women about not going forward with allegations? AKA the exact opposite of how you’re supposed to handle the situation. And somehow his henchman Kendall didn’t get wrapped up in any of it.

Its only a matter of time before your Savior Dumbo leaves Aggy before he gets in trouble. We know yall will do anything to win a championship.

 

[tmay407]

I’m not sure that this is accurate. One of the requirements under title IX law is that a victim reporting an incident be made aware of their rights under title IX. Failing to acknowledge or respond to their report for an extended period and ignoring messages (even if you’ve passed it on down the chain) wouldn’t meet that requirement. In fact, if forbid the victim were to self harm in the interim because she thought she was being ignored and silenced, for example, it accomplishes the exact opposite of its intended policy purpose.

I only know about this case from what N41D has been posting in here but if he went radio silence and she really didn’t hear back from anyone for a while, that’s a fairly strict (and if you’re anti- Jimbo, convenient) reading of that law I’d imagine.

I mean I guess you could always file a FOIA/Open Records Request since Jimbo’s and the staff’s email forwards about the assault would be open as a public employee.

Outside of Jimbo/staff forwarding those emails, it falls on the Title IX Department, not Jimbo or any other member of the football team to follow up.

The article linked was behind a paywall, but a quick Google search revealed the full text of the article:

Iesha says she eventually sent four emails to A&M, which included assistant coach Dameyune Craig, who was Demas’ position coach, and Kristen Brown, deputy athletics director for the student-athletes. Iesha Turk said Brown forwarded her email to A&M’s Jennifer Smith, assistant vice president and Title IX coordinator.

So yea, it was sent to the Title IX department as it should have been.

Mom did also say this:

I think the school is a little bit accountable, because this was his first year, his breakout year, his freshman year when this happened. I think they just invested too much time in Demond.

Full disclosure: Demas had 0 catches for 0 yards in 0 appearances in his “breakout year.” He didn’t play all year, mostly for “undisclosed reasons.”

And as for Demas not being suspended after the first allegation, feel free to read the below article and get caught up on this dumb law change.

Why critics say a Trump-era Title IX rule hurts coaches' ability to discipline athletes accused of sexual misconduct

A Trump-era change to Title IX, implemented as part of a sweeping effort to strengthen due process, has made it too difficult to discipline college athletes accused of sexual misconduct, according to critics of the new rule.

www.google.com

If it comes out that our Title IX Department or police department had any sort of misconduct in the case I’ll full backtrack this statement and be right on the front lines with y’all on this. But I’m not here for any of this other nonsense about A&M insulating our players when we regularly have a **** ton of arrests in the off-season for typical college kid garbage.

 

[tmay407]

Its only a matter of time before your Savior Dumbo leaves Aggy before he gets in trouble. We know yall will do anything to win a championship.

Weren’t y’all one of the last holdouts on integration to protect your precious little team and win one more title?

 

[justincredible7]

Weren’t y’all one of the last holdouts on integration to protect your precious little team and win one more title?

Oh here we go. Maybe y'all should have pushed to keep segregation since that is the only time y'all supposedly won a Natty in the 30s.

 

[tmay407]

Oh here we go. Maybe y'all should have pushed to keep segregation since that is the only time y'all supposedly won a Natty in the 30s.

Really not too bad considering we won our first national title in 1919 while sending more officers to fight in WW1 than any other school, including the service academies.

 

[justincredible7]

Really not too bad considering we won our first national title in 1919 while sending more officers to fight in WW1 than any other school, including the service academies.

Yes it is . Your so called championships are closer to the civil war era than it is to todays date.