OFFICIAL 2021 NBA PLAYOFF THREAD - YAWNIST WITH THE CLOSEOUT 50 PIECE - BUCKS WITH FIRST CHIP SINCE ‘73 - CP0 LOSES AGAIN

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Not fooling me. Ben just tryna get traded to the Lakers and had to bring his value down to kuzma sub-level 6. This got Rich Paul scheme team written all over it.


I was thinking that also.

What if dude is tanking to get traded 😆

It'll happen though sure enough he'll get traded and all of the sudden do better.

I'm just praying my Knicks don't pick him up.

I'm still hopeful we land Zion.
 
I don't know what else to say. The only way to get better at anything is to put the work in. There are tons of players who have had deficiencies in certain areas and gotten better by putting work in.

Either Ben Simmons is working on becoming a better shooter and and hasn't made any progress in the five years since he's been drafted or he's not working on it at all. Either of those is bad.

In some ways he's actually regressed as a shooter.

I'm sure Ben Simmons puts in work during the off-season. I don't think he would be able to get away with NOT doing so.

By work, yea I mean taking jumpshots at game speed.
 
I'm sure Ben Simmons puts in work during the off-season. I don't think he would be able to get away with NOT doing so.

By work, yea I mean taking jumpshots at game speed.

So if we're going with the assumption that he's putting the work in (getting shots up, getting the best coaching and training available , etc) and he's made no progress in 5 years then either he's either incapable of becoming a good shooter or it's mental.

The reason I question whether or not he's putting the work in is that when you look at the arc of other players becoming better shooters you see progress over time. They didn't just go from bad shooters to good shooters over the course of one off-season. We've literally seen zero progress in Ben Simmons.

Look at players like Giannis, LeBron, Brandon Ingram or Jason Kidd. If you watched them on a regular basis you saw them taking more shots and gaining confidence over the course of years. We haven't seen anything like that with Ben Simmons.

People clown Giannis but at least we can see that he's trying to become a better free throw shooter and jump shooter.

Personally, I think it started out physical and now it's mental. It's all in his head. He knows that whenever he even attempts a jumper people are going to laugh and it's going to be all over social media so he's afraid to put himself out there and try it in games. Same thing with the free throw shooting. He would literally rather lose than being embarrassed.
 
Yea I just assume it is a mental issue with Ben but that is just a guess.

I just don't think any Top player in 2021 is just NOT putting work in unless there have been reports of such a thing happening.

It's tricky to just look at production to determine someone's work ethic.

Either way, he needs to figure it out.
 
Yea I just assume it is a mental issue with Ben but that is just a guess.

I just don't think any Top player in 2021 is just NOT putting work in unless there have been reports of such a thing happening.

It's tricky to just look at production to determine someone's work ethic.

Either way, he needs to figure it out.

At a certain point you can look to production. We're not talking about a couple of months, we're talking about 5 years and we've seen zero progress!

He's not 1% better than he was the day he was drafted. These are criticisms that people had of him in college and in high school.


Either it's mental, It's physically incapable of becoming a better shooter or he's training incorrectly. Maybe he needs to hire different coaches or someone who can make an impact on him (I find this hard to believe because between his own coaches and the team's coaches, somebody has got to work).
 
Simmons would need to completely change his form. What he has now doesn't look like something that could translate into anything close to reliable. Reminds me of Joakim Noah. I don't know if you can salvage that. The other guys mentioned at least had something to work with. Rondo, Kidd, BI.
 
Ben Simmons is never going to develop a jumper if he has to pound the ball up court for the phantom three point play every time he gets a defensive rebound.
 
At a certain point you can look to production. We're not talking about a couple of months, we're talking about 5 years and we've seen zero progress!

He's not 1% better than he was the day he was drafted. These are criticisms that people had of him in college and in high school.


Either it's mental, It's physically incapable of becoming a better shooter or he's training incorrectly. Maybe he needs to hire different coaches or someone who can make an impact on him (I find this hard to believe because between his own coaches and the team's coaches, somebody has got to work).
Everything you are saying IS why I believe it's mental.

He COULD be training incorrectly (shooting with the wrong hand maybe?)
 
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One time I made the mistake of sharing the story of how the NYPD almost killed me during a stop-n-frisk, and one of my coworkers wanted to play back the blue by asking me "well, were you talking back to them rudely"

Even the other white people in the room looked at ole boy like...
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I'm sure Ben Simmons puts in work during the off-season. I don't think he would be able to get away with NOT doing so.

By work, yea I mean taking jumpshots at game speed.

Two days after that 2018 loss to the Celtics, the Sixers held exit meetings in their Camden, N.J., training facility. Each player was given a four-page document containing individualized offseason plans. For Simmons the list of priorities included free-throw shooting, finishing at the rim and developing a jump shot. In that order.

After the meetings, Brown told reporters during a press conference that he expected Simmons to spend "intense time" with Townsend over the offseason. Everyone around the team was excited. They felt like a breakthrough had occurred, that Simmons was ready not only to solidify his improvements at the line but also to begin carrying those changes over into his shooting overall.

After exit meetings, the players and coaches went their separate ways to recharge. Some time passed and, according to multiple league sources, when Townsend returned to the team’s facility Brown pulled him aside. Change of plans, he said.

Simmons’ agent, Rich Paul, and family had decided that he’d be better off working with one of his brothers, Liam, a former low-level Division I guard and assistant coach, who now coaches at D-2 Colorado Christian University.

Brown, who'd been promoted to interim GM in the wake of former team president Bryan Colangelo's Twitter scandal, wasn’t sure the reason for the change. It also didn’t matter.

Simmons was a former No. 1 pick, one of the team’s two foundational pieces, a genuine superstar, in talent and branding, in a league where superstars dictate the terms. In other words: Simmons wasn’t required to explain himself to management.
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For years, Simmons’ reluctance to shoot baffled the Sixers. Early in his career, he’d goof around when coaches, including Brown, worked with him, sometimes flippantly launching the ball high into the air while practicing free throws instead of attempting a normal shot. He'd leave immediately after a practice without putting in extra time. But as time went by, current and former Sixers staffers say, those habits changed.

The work wasn’t the problem, which only confounded Sixers coaches and management even more. Brown would hurl curses at Townsend, asking why Simmons wasn’t shooting in the games, and try utilizing every teaching tool in his kit, all to no avail.

Monty Williams, who worked closely with Simmons while serving as an assistant to Brown for one season, hypothesized to friends that Simmons was scared of looking bad. Management under Colangelo even discussed having Simmons switch his shooting hand from left to right, which serves as his dominant hand in every other facet of his life.

None of it worked. The more anyone pushed, the more Simmons pushed back, creating a self-fulfilling cycle.

"Our offense isn’t designed for that," he said. "There’s things I need to work on which I’m going to do, but I think the way I play, my style, I’m able to create things. I’m a creative player, I make things happen, which 90 percent of the league can’t do. There’s only a select few players who can make plays and get guys good shots."

"I hear what you’re saying, but at the same time, like, I don’t sit here and say, like, ‘I gotta do this every time.’ My game’s not based off that. Like, I do so many things on the court where I’m efficient and effective, affecting the game in different ways, so there’s things I need to work on but, I mean, if you really want you can look at other players and be like, ‘Well, this guy needs to work on his dribbling because he can’t dribble, he has this many turnovers if he’s forced to dribble.’"


He doesn't care and because he's a star player he's been allowed to get away with it
 
It's definitely mental w/ Ben, but I feel like dude carries a sense of arrogance like he doesn't have to shoot or get better. And you have the media and Philly front office that contribute to that. For years they've hammered and crapped on Fultz for not developing as much as he should've during his stint in Philly, meanwhile, they were pretty much like "He's a 6'10" PG, he don't need to shoot because he can do X,Y,Z"
Also, some of these dudes lack the work ethic one should have as a professional athlete.
 
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