OFFICIAL GAME OF THRONES THREAD | HOUSE OF THE DRAGON Premieres 8.21.22 | OFFICIAL TRAILER REVEALED

[bishopstrongbow]

Any dire wolves left?

 

[Barbados Slim]

4 out of the 6 are still around, but we never get to see them. I guess cgi direwolves are expensive 

 

[change the name Snyder]

 
4 out of the 6 are still around, but we never get to see them. I guess cgi direwolves are expensive 

and they also play no part in the story at this point

 

[lawdog1]

and they also play no part in the story at this point

Maybe Jon will take Ghost with him when he goes to meet with the Wildlings...I would.

 

[change the name Snyder]

i thought ghost and summer were with Bran after they sieged craster's keep?

 

[nako xl]

Fake outrage. Rape is obviously a horrible act, but lets not act like what happened yesterday night isn't typical on a marriage night in the society the characters live in (and has been common even in real life until recent times). In the world the characters live in, how many marriages have you seen that were based on love versus marriages put together just for producing an heir as a power move? A huge % of men in the GOT world are disgusting people; it's a reality that the women in that world have to unfortunately put up with or be discarded/killed.

Based on what Sansa has experienced over the past few seasons, she and the viewers knew that something like this would happen, so I really don't understand how someone can be outraged at this.

To quote Chris Ryan of grantland "the cruelty didn't feel earned."

When Joffrey or other characters do evil **** there's a build up to it - a crescendo.

We don't get much of Ramsey other than his interactions with Theon and other women. We don't know anything about his childhood or life. Until this season we never saw him except when he was torturing Theon.

The only real build up we got this year was the implication that Sansa was now a strong determined character who wasn't going to take **** from anyone and was going to fight her way back into her rightful seat as queen of the north.

Then over the past two episodes they rushed through a pseudo-origin story for Ramsey " your mom got raped on her wedding day" almost as a wink wink, guess what's going to happen, and then tore Sansa's character back down.

That's largely why myself and tv show critics are irked. There's a way to show biolence on television and have it be a useful part of the story.

When Joffrey did evil ****, it made sense because we watched him grow from a mischievous child lying and torturing animals into a psychopathic young adult with real power. We don't get that from Ramsey. There's no character arc.

He's existed solely as a psychopathic character who they plug and play whenever they need quick shock value. And it's lazy. Oh, look another rape. Shock! Gasp! It's tired already. Give him depth. have him creep us out with words or in another way. Not this lazy *** writing where whenever you want us to dislike a character you have him do something horrible to a woman or innocent child. Rape has been used over and over again in this show that it's predictable. We always see it coming. Who didn't know he was gonna assault her on their wedding night? It's what the show does. But that doesn't mean we should just shrug and grin like oh that wacky show and their weddings. It's trite now.

That's why I'M like "eww" with that scene. I can only speak for myself, though.

 

[extraordinary swag]

To quote Chris Ryan of grantland "the cruelty didn't feel earned."

When Joffrey or other characters do evil **** there's a build up to it - a crescendo.

We don't get much of Ramsey other than his interactions with Theon and other women. We don't know anything about his childhood or life. Until this season we never saw him except when he was torturing Theon.

The only real build up we got this year was the implication that Sansa was now a strong determined character who wasn't going to take **** from anyone and was going to fight her way back into her rightful seat as queen of the north.

Then over the past two episodes they rushed through a pseudo-origin story for Ramsey " your mom got raped on her wedding day" almost as a wink wink, guess what's going to happen, and then tore Sansa's character back down.

That's largely why myself and tv show critics are irked. There's a way to show biolence on television and have it be a useful part of the story.

When Joffrey did evil ****, it made sense because we watched him grow from a mischievous child lying and torturing animals into a psychopathic young adult with real power. We don't get that from Ramsey. There's no character arc.

He's existed solely as a psychopathic character who they plug and play whenever they need quick shock value. And it's lazy. Oh, look another rape. Shock! Gasp! It's tired already. Give him depth. have him creep us out with words or in another way. Not this lazy *** writing where whenever you want us to dislike a character you have him do something horrible to a woman or innocent child. Rape has been used over and over again in this show that it's predictable. We always see it coming. Who didn't know he was gonna assault her on their wedding night? It's what the show does. But that doesn't mean we should just shrug and grin like oh that wacky show and their weddings. It's trite now.

That's why I'M like "eww" with that scene. I can only speak for myself, though.

hit the nail on the head

 

[lawdog1]

i thought ghost and summer were with Bran after they sieged craster's keep?

I don't think so since, IIRC, Ghost got in on the battle when Mance's army attached the Wall. Which happened after Craster's.

 

[tdogg2k]

So again I say. It was ok to do all what he did with theon though.....?
We knew he was psycho for show watchers he did come out of left field a bit but he had been playing games from the beginning... to say he didnt have a build up to his psychoness or story is a bit false.
I dont have a problem with what youre saying but it still comes down to sansa was on the come up...people wanted her to win...and she got knocked back down and peoples feeli gs were hurt...

Stop with the shock value talk. The ENTIRE show is "shock value."
Other shows have these same type of scenes also.

People are hurt it was sansa period...
And more hurt it ended on that note. Gurantee if there were more scenes after it. Or we got her thought process of how shell take revenge...this wouldnt be as much as a problem as it is now
You cant excuse joffery for his actions and what they showed him do because we got more of a "story" from him.

 

[nako xl]

No, many people, myself included thought the Theon **** was unnecessary too.

Notice that GRRM never bothered to show Theon's torture in the books. Because the implication is just as powerful as the gratuitous revelry in it.

 

[Fozz]

Random thought:

Wherever they're at, do y'all think Osha and Hodor are smashing?

Homie was like 10 inches on soft. She think she tough but I'm not too sure she want them problems. Dude might have her cervix looking like a chewed up fruit rollup by the time he done ramming her on full power.

She gonna be pushing him back with her hand telling him to chill out but the only reaction she might get is "Hodor!, Hodor!, HODOOOOOOOOORRRR!!!".

Uhh yeah, I'm sure she sees his pipe print every second of every day. Why not?

 

[Fozz]

I didn't really enjoy this last episode. I expected a whole lot more of that battle with the Sand Sisters and was even more upset what Ramsey did. I hope someone offs him this season. Dude, is crazy.

 

[rolaholic]

The Sand Snakes came off as fraudish,although I could be wrong if they reveal that they actually took out Myrcella next week 

 

[ice city fc]

To quote Chris Ryan of grantland "the cruelty didn't feel earned."

When Joffrey or other characters do evil **** there's a build up to it - a crescendo.

We don't get much of Ramsey other than his interactions with Theon and other women. We don't know anything about his childhood or life. Until this season we never saw him except when he was torturing Theon.

The only real build up we got this year was the implication that Sansa was now a strong determined character who wasn't going to take **** from anyone and was going to fight her way back into her rightful seat as queen of the north.

Then over the past two episodes they rushed through a pseudo-origin story for Ramsey " your mom got raped on her wedding day" almost as a wink wink, guess what's going to happen, and then tore Sansa's character back down.

That's largely why myself and tv show critics are irked. There's a way to show biolence on television and have it be a useful part of the story.

When Joffrey did evil ****, it made sense because we watched him grow from a mischievous child lying and torturing animals into a psychopathic young adult with real power. We don't get that from Ramsey. There's no character arc.

He's existed solely as a psychopathic character who they plug and play whenever they need quick shock value. And it's lazy. Oh, look another rape. Shock! Gasp! It's tired already. Give him depth. have him creep us out with words or in another way. Not this lazy *** writing where whenever you want us to dislike a character you have him do something horrible to a woman or innocent child. Rape has been used over and over again in this show that it's predictable. We always see it coming. Who didn't know he was gonna assault her on their wedding night? It's what the show does. But that doesn't mean we should just shrug and grin like oh that wacky show and their weddings. It's trite now.

That's why I'M like "eww" with that scene. I can only speak for myself, though.

hit the nail on the head

No. People just don't like rape. Period. Which is understandable.

But the logic and reasoning people are coming up with to skate around or pair with that fact as if they need more evidence is pretty funny.

 

[dman14]

rickon gonna come back with a full grown beard and a mark mcgwire physique

 

[nako xl]

Numerous people ask, “Can you talk about Sansa’s wedding?”

Many of the changes showrunners D.B. Weiss and David Benioff have made in adapting Game of Thrones from its source novels have been, from a narrative point of view, improvements. The combining of characters into composites, the outright jettisoning of other characters, the changing of plot arcs — all of those things aren’t just artful reedits made on a whim for the sake of doing them, but are necessary because of the realistic demands of producing 10 episodes of Game of Thrones a year. In the same way that George R.R. Martin had to alter the structure of Books 4 and 5 (A  Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons) because modern bookbinding techniques literally couldn’t handle the number of manuscript pages he submitted for Feast, Benioff and Weiss have to make decisions based on the logistics of a gigantic cast filming in three countries simultaneously for 200 days a year, with only one hour per episode to tell their story.

All of that is to say I was generally OK with the change of Sansa going to Winterfell to marry Ramsay when it was revealed. The somewhat convoluted book version of the arc, in which the bride is a tertiary character (the daughter of a former Stark loyalist) who is forced to pretend to be Arya, is great but just too unwieldy for television. The show’s version also had the plus of providing more emotional stakes — obviously! — for the characters, the story, and the viewers. Theon now has a real opportunity for redemption. Or he could possibly sink to heretofore unplumbed depths of debased subservience and shame. Sansa moves to the center of the story rather than being shunted aside doing this and that in the Vale, where nothing much but politicking and the manipulation of grain prices is going on. Any book reader — or even show watcher — understood the danger for Sansa and knew full well where her relationship with Ramsay logically would go. I expected what happened to be awful. What I didn’t expect was the seemingly slapdash and unthinking way that the show arrived at that place.

In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, producer Bryan Cogman was asked, “How could you do this to Sansa?” He said: “This isn’t a timid little girl walking into a wedding night with Joffrey. This is a hardened woman making a choice and she sees this as the way to get back her homeland. Sansa has a wedding night in the sense she never thought she would with one of the monsters of the show. It’s pretty intense and awful and the character will have to deal with it.” To which I say: Mmmmm, nah.

What’s worse than portraying a sexual assault? Not knowing that you are. “A hardened woman making a choice” is a statement that seems to fundamentally misunderstand what the show has been portraying over the last few seasons. Sansa depends on Littlefinger for her safety, indeed for her survival. Sure, she doesn’t believe in princes and fairy tales anymore. But “a hardened woman”? She has no means to fend for herself and is, along with Tyrion, one of the most wanted persons in the realm. At every point along the way, the choices Sansa has made to cope with her increasingly dire situation have been the equivalent of a prisoner decorating her cell. She’s “decided” to play along because all the other options likely end with her head on a spike. Could she have sold Petyr Baelish out to the nobles of the Vale? Sure, but putting herself in the care of yet more strangers could easily lead to her death. Could she have refused to go to Winterfell to wed Ramsay? Well, she actually did several times. Until Littlefinger convinced her. But let’s not pretend that Littlefinger and Sansa enjoy a relationship of equal footing. Also, he couldn’t have left her a few bodyguards?

As for why Littlefinger would allow Sansa to fall into the clutches of the Boltons and the serial rapist and murderer Ramsay, Cogman said: “The difference between the Ramsay Snow of the books and the show is the Ramsay of the show is not a famous psycho. He’s not known everywhere as a psycho. So Littlefinger doesn’t have the intelligence on him.” Yeah, no. That flies about as well as a dead raven.

Let’s put aside the fact that Ramsay recently had the flayed bodies of Lord and Lady Cerwyn hanging for all to see in the yard at Winterfell, and that he keeps Theon Greyjoy, only the last living son of the Lord of the Iron Islands — and thus one of the most (in)famous persons in the realm, certainly among the top three most recognizable faces in the North — as his mutilated thrall. And that the Bolton House sigil is a ******* flayed man. And that the Boltons betrayed the Starks. Knowing what we know about Littlefinger, based on, oh, four seasons of fairly calculated Machiavellian string-pulling — he was behind the downfall of Jon Arryn, he played Ned Stark like a violin, he facilitated the Purple Wedding, and he seized control of the Vale with a simple push — there is approximately zero percent chance he would broker a marriage deal with the Boltons without doing his due diligence on them. That would not ever happen. This guy is supposed to be the mastermind-behind-the-guy-behind-the-guy. Baelish taking a calculated risk with Sansa’s safety as part of a larger plot would at least make sense. Sansa getting raped because Littlefinger was flat-out lazy and inept doesn’t earn the brutal shock of the scene.

Considering the justified uproar over Cersei and Jamie in the Sept last season, the way the production handled this is troubling in that it suggests they’ve learned nothing at all.

Rant over.

 

[nako xl]

 

 

No. People just don't like rape. Period. Which is understandable.

But the logic and reasoning people are coming up with to skate around or pair with that fact as if they need more evidence is pretty funny.

I like how you disregard other's opinions as somehow an excuse or justification for their weak stance. Ignoring that fundamentally what you're doing is arguing for the legitimacy of the need for the way a rape, that was unnecessary and didn't exist in the book, somehow is necessary and justified here.

it's deeper than just not liking rape. I don't like to watch beheadings either.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

The good thing is, we can all decide if we would still like to continue watching 

Btw, what exactly is necessary in a story like this? Violence, maiming, rape etc. To me, the rape served a purpose, so I don't think it was unnecessary by any means

 

[RustyShackleford]

So again I say. It was ok to do all what he did with theon though.....?
We knew he was psycho for show watchers he did come out of left field a bit but he had been playing games from the beginning... to say he didnt have a build up to his psychoness or story is a bit false.
I dont have a problem with what youre saying but it still comes down to sansa was on the come up...people wanted her to win...and she got knocked back down and peoples feeli gs were hurt...

Stop with the shock value talk. The ENTIRE show is "shock value."
Other shows have these same type of scenes also.

People are hurt it was sansa period...
And more hurt it ended on that note. Gurantee if there were more scenes after it. Or we got her thought process of how shell take revenge...this wouldnt be as much as a problem as it is now
You cant excuse joffery for his actions and what they showed him do because we got more of a "story" from him.

Theon burnt two lil children alive doe. His crimes far exceed Sansa's. So would argue that his "punishment" is light compared to what he deserves, which is death.

And the entire show is not all shock value. Don't act like Game of Thrones is some snuff film and that every should be ok with everything they show

The producers made a creative choice, people didn't like it. So their voicing their displeasure. That's par for the course with any popular TV series

 

[tdogg2k]

The good thing is, we can all decide if we would still like to continue watching 

Btw, what exactly is necessary in a story like this? Violence, maiming, rape etc. To me, the rape served a purpose, so I don't think it was unnecessary by any means

^ ALL THIS,

the show has been this way for 5 season... 5 years you've seen what goes down in the world of westeros. to say you got tired of it after the 2nd/3rd season yet you still watch though...........
Yes There are a lot of characters to love in this show and a lot of scenes that don't have violence or such forth in it.
Yet this is what the entire book/show is based off.... Murder, Mayhem, Sex, Violence, Perversions, Madness... This is what has gained so many fans, this is what we all signed up to watch. THE MATERIAL OF THE SHOW IS NOT NEW......
Just the characters they put in some places..



Don't get me wrong I'm not one of the people who are going to tell you what and what not to like/watch.
but this is the show/book... if it triggers a deeper emotional trigger in you to see this stuff happens, It may not be the show for you..

This isn't directed at anyone in particular, just in general..

This whole shock value argument is a crappy leg to stand on ...

being mad about this one particular scene (and the one or two others in the seasons) is taking away from the story telling...

They showed Drogo taking Dani/ jaimie & cersei, / Crasters keep and the mutiny crows/ dothraki scenes..
IT'S NOT NEW and then to say it's getting old to see.... YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING.
Sansa scene has been predicted since we saw her being taken to the boltons...

stopppp

 

[360waves]

The awkward javelin throw from the sand snake in the previous episode lol.

 

[sfc415]

Sand Snakes are trash. They were more of an annoyance to Bronn and Jamie instead of an actual threat

 

[tdogg2k]

Theon burnt two lil children alive doe. His crimes far exceed Sansa's. So would argue that his "punishment" is light compared to what he deserves, which is death.

And the entire show is not all shock value. Don't act like Game of Thrones is some snuff film and that every should be ok with everything they show

The producers made a creative choice, people didn't like it. So their voicing their displeasure. That's par for the course with any popular TV series

^ So you've basically proved my point that the true anger comes from it being Sansa getting the short end of the stick (again).

Its on HBO, it has a TV MA rating..
this isn't a "family" show...
stop pretending that it is....
Yes it showed something people didn't like to see..... (YOU HAVE ALL BEEN SEEING THIS HAPPEN SINCE SEASON 1)

 

[360waves]

Sand Snakes are trash. They were more of an annoyance to Bronn and Jamie instead of an actual threat

Agreed, but that poison could be something serious [emoji]127806[/emoji][emoji]128064[/emoji][emoji]127806[/emoji]

 

[elecrelaxation]

These social justice keyboard warriors are trying to ruin everything. Get outta here

. Don't mess up GoT for me.