OFFICIAL GAME OF THRONES THREAD | HOUSE OF THE DRAGON Premieres 8.21.22 | OFFICIAL TRAILER REVEALED

[mvplikekobe24]

Dunno if Stannis will be down for sacrificing his own daughter, but you know his lame *** wife will probably be. God i hate her

 

[celticspride34]

Just finished this week's episode...

I think this season is the weakest so far... It's not any where close to bad, it's just not nearly as epic as previous seasons... I hope the last 3 episodes deliver some of that epicness...

My friend delivered that same statement, I have yet to see the latest episode, and it has me feeling like not watching

I mean... It's still my most looked forward to show every week... I'm not even close to giving up on it... But I'm a wrestling fan, and wrestling fans are conditioned to watching 3 hours of garbage week in, week out ... Even though I've stopped watching WWE...

 

[celticspride34]

And yeah... That sand snakes girl got pushed to number 2 for me real quick... Might even be 1... Top notch boobs...

 

[tdogg2k]

I wouldnt blame the book's part of this story on the shows "boredom" book 4&5 were fine just a lot more details and a lot more characters.

As much as im not a fan of them leaving out those characters. I dont think the show is doing a bad job of putting it all together to wrap the story up.

Sansa being in winterfell honestly is a great direction for her character. This seasons sansa is bearable. Book sansa is not. Condensing jorah and tyrion story was a good choice also.

 

[teamjordan79]

how is jorah still rocking his house's sygil ring thats probably worth more than all those dudes in the pit when he's a "slave"?

 

[ice city fc]

 

I knew there was a reason Lancel and Shireen were getting way more screen time this season than the previous 4 combined.

Wonder what Stannis will do. He is ruthless to just about everything except Shireen.

As for Lancel, I was a bit confused, was it Littlefinger and Olenna ratting Cersei out to the High Sparrow? Because Littlefiger says “I have a young man for you.” Or did Lancel confess long ago when he first committed himself and the High Sparrow knew from the beginning?

i think littlefinger and olenna via lancel were instrumental in getting rid of cersei.
 

Not sure where you guys are getting this from.  When Lancel first re-appeared this season he explained how he had confessed his sins allowing him to be saved. Not just his relationship with Cersei but facilitating Robert Baratheon's murder. 

High Sparrow also mentioned Lancel's confession and that his sins had been purged away not once but twice now. 

Mean's there's hope for Loras and Margaery though. 

 

[ice city fc]

 

 

Where was that guy or guys talking about Littlefinger ******* up with his plans? Off of seeing the first 5 eps?


Cuz from what I'm seeing son is once again on the verge of orchestrating the biggest moves in the series like he's been doing from the start. Son is about to oust the whole Lannister fam from King's landing by using a Lannister.


Son had that dude in his pocket the whole time just waiting. Joined the sparrows and then tells him now is the time to spring the incest Cersi thing cuz he already has the Tyrells in a bind.


Even though all things won't go as planned he's on the verge of having the Tyrells allied with him, and if he wants he can offer up the Lannisters to Dorne. Then he can march the Vale's army to Winterfell just to side with Stannis, kill the Boltons, then when Stannis marches on KL he can offer it to him on a silver platter along with Margery's hand in marriage all while he plots on Stannis. If he don't want to do that he can try get the Dornes and the Tyrells to ally with him, take out the Boltons in Winterfell first, have Sansa be the wardness of Winterfell and then go against Stannis. If some of the more smarter ppl give him trouble (Grandma Tyrell) he can just have them mysteriously killed with no evidence leading back to him and puppet master the next in line like he been doing.


Now obviously it won't go that way but unless Varys lights a fire under Dany's *** to get a bit closer to KL, Littlefinger gonna be playing chess while everybody else is playing checkers. Who is left to oppose him?


*Book readers don't steal his thunder

Do you think that Lancel is the "Handsome Young Man"? Him having Lancel under his wraps imo is sort of far fetched. I figured the High Sparrow already knew about Cersi and was just biding his time. Remember Lancel told Cersi he was saved and that she should do the same.

Also, I think the "Handsome Young Man" is either Olyver or Robin, with the dark horse of Littlefinger finding Gendry.

Between the two - the High Sparrow and Littlefinger - plotting this surprise on Cersi, I'm going with Littlefinger. It just makes storytelling sense as far as this ep goes. I won't doubt what the High Sparrow said was true about burden after lifted burden Lancel eventually revealed everything. I'm just saying this is all Littlefinger's play. Lancel use to be a handsome young man. Ask yourself where the **** these dudes even came from all of a sudden? They weren't here when Robert was in charge, wasn't even here when Joffrey was running things. They just happen to pop up after Tywin dies with a strong *** movement. I wouldn't be surprised if all those sparrows and septons were booty boys from Petyr's brothels across the 7 kingdoms.

The farfetched has always been what was so subtle about Littlefinger. Who would've thought he had connections to the Vale and the chick running the place was madly in love with him? Enough to set up the death of her own husband?

Who would've thought he was teamed up with the Tyrells to assassinate Joffrey? This dude Petyr is killing and knocking ppl off he barely had any contact with. Nobody not reading the books was theorizing he was behind that. Some ppl actually thought it was Tyrion and then a gang of other theories.

But okay lets say you're right, which is possible. So Cersi gets screwed over by the High sparrow due to Lancel. Who knows why he waited even though he's all about justice maybe he just needed a precedent for locking up royalty. If that's true, that means Littlefinger still has another card to play to have the Tyrell's side with him and free her grandchildren and possibly screw Cersi over even more than she is now. Maybe it's a dude that'll clear their name. Maybe it's that same gay dude that snitched on them and got them locked up in the first place. Maybe he recants. If that's the play fine. That just means luck has befallen him and Cersi is no longer an obstacle he needs to remove and everything else I previously said about him running **** is still a probability for his plans to take the throne.

I'm not that good with the names so I'm blanking on who Olyver or Robin is and their importance that'd lead to Littlefinger being back in the good graces of Grandma Tyrell.

Gendry coming back would be cool and interesting but still plays against the Tyrells. That'd mean Margery is married to an inbred bastard and she isn't even the real queen. All Gendry showing up would mean is that they now have the means to muster up a campaign that Tommen isn't the rightful heir and take him off the throne. Thing is Gendry would need all types of support to justify it since he's a bastard. If anything Stannis would have even more right to throne than he already has cuz Gendry hasn't been legitimatized.

The High Sparrow locking up Cersei is not Little Finger's play. Cersei did that to herself. The Sparrows were always around, they just hadn't been militarized for hundreds of years or something. Cersei got Tommen to sign a royal decree arming them again.  Cersei empowered and enabled her own captors. And Lacnel wasn't a handsome young man, he was a frail, little emo, softy before. Seemed like he was one of the lowest of the Lannister's in the capital I mean he was basically a cup bearer at one point.

Most people recognize that Little Finger is a master except dude who was spouting off last week, there were people in this thread who banked on him being the orchestrator of the Purple Wedding from the moment it happened. But him controlling Lancel and manipulating the High Sparrow just doesn't fit. 

I'm betting on the "handsome young man" being Robin who's heir to the Vale when he becomes of age. Little Finger weds him to one of Ollena's grandchildren or nieces fostering an alliance between the Vale and the Tyrell's. Being that Robin is functionally ******ed he's even easier to manipulate than Tommen giving Little Finger control of the Vale for life. 

Little Finger bout to have the North, The Vale, and an alliance with the strongest and wealthiest remaining house in the realm. 

 

[IATT]

Cersei is the one who named/made littlefinger 'warden of the north' based on him bringing her the head of Sansa..

The lannisters are obviously preoccupied with other things.. And obviously that title only last as long as cersei does

She has already said she isn't giving him troops for the cause.. And she doesn't have money to give






Again, I get the chaos angle.. But there isn't a ton of payout in his actions.. Hell, he admitted to the tyrells that he had a hand in providing cersei with the ammo that got loras and Margarey locked up

think lady olenna is going forget or forgive that.. Unless the show gets lazy or convenient with that angle too

Robin and Sansa were his biggest assets and he gave one away to the boltons for what exactly?

 

[ice city fc]

There's payout, all scenarios just depend heavily on what happens when Stannis gets to Winterfell. Little Finger has been hedging his bets based on multiple possible outcomes.

And I'm not certain Sansa's death is a concrete stipulation as part of the decree Tommen presumably signed naming Little Finger warden of the North. I know she added that in there at the end of their conversation but the key terms were that Little Finger capture Winterfell. Who knows what was actually signed into law or if Tommen ({*}) self ever even got around to it.

 

[IATT]

There's payout, all scenarios just depend heavily on what happens when Stannis gets to Winterfell. Little Finger has been hedging his bets based on multiple possible outcomes.

As I said before, what is preventing him from doing exactly what he did after all the mess went down.. Chaos was inevitably going to ensue with or without his invovlement

I am firmly of the belief the show runners are only doing these things to keep littlefinger directly involved in what is going on (which is a change from what happens in the books)

Given the amount of spies he has he could still facilitate what was happening with cersei and the tyrells without being in kings landing.. And now lady olenna is very aware of the role he played in everything

 

[sreggie101]

The red witch has been dethroned.


Sand Snake chest game >>>>>

and then there were 2 ... 

Missandei and Tyene 

Oh Lawd 

this. but advantage missandei because of them cakes in fast 7 .



damn tyene is 19 tho. that new just off the lot model, i see you game of throne producers lol...

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

on littlefinger prior to what has happened this season:

 

[Master Zik]

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It was me who said littlefinger's moves weren't really the smartest moves.. And the show is being written extremely stupid right now

Beef with the lannisters and tyrells was going to happen with or without littlefinger's interference.. Stannis is going to winterfell no matter what

It's dumb for knowledge of loras' birthmark to be damning for him as a homosexual.. As a highborn and as a knight, there should be a fair amount of people who would have knowledge of the birthmark.. Especially someone who acted as a squire for him

And it was dumb for it to need to take littlefinger to tell lady tyrell about lancel.. Lancel would have been said that information to the high sparrow





I get that littlefinger is trying to create as much chaos as possible and burn everything down and raise from the ashes.. But these are all things that would have happened anyways and he basically traded in a valuable asset for no real gain

All of his actions are literally being done for the show to keep the character involved in what is going on.. Dude could have been kicking it back in vale untouchable by anyone but dany and her dragons.. Then he could wait to see how the inevitable mess that was going to happen, happened then play the Sansa card

This sounds like an excuse.

Littlefinger running ****.

I aint even talking about the other events going on in the show. Just what Littlefinger is orchestrating, manipulating, causing and most specifically how he reacts to things he couldn't have planned for. Whether it was a birthmark that damned Loras or not doesn't matter. You should be wondering where the **** the high sparrow even came from and how his crew is rising to power more than when Lancel told him about Cersi's incest. Of course the Tyrell's and Lannisters were always going to butt heads but it was Littlefinger that conspired with the Tyrells to kill Joffrey. So far son has orchestrated the death of 2 hands of the king and a king.

Saying something like his actions are to only keep him involved with what's going on makes no damn sense. From the very start of the show we come to find out all of his actions have reasons. In his convo with Varys they straight up tell each other why they doing things and how they see the world. He wants the throne. That's why he's doing what he's doing. He's causing chaos so that it leads to the elimination to anyone with a rightful claim to throne until the line of succession goes back enough where it's up for grabs and he can step in to claim it either through marriage or force.

Just cuz you want him to sit back and do nothing in the Vale until Dany shows up doesn't mean everything would just work out for him anyway. If he did that, Joffrey would still be alive, Sansa would probably be dead along with Tyrion eventually, Tywin probably still alive too. Joffrey would've just reigned his cruelty down on everybody until Stannis mounted up another effort to go toe to toe with Tywin. Then of course Tywin would've called upon Petyr to support him and then he'd be forced to send in the Vale's army. Then eventually winter would come and kill most of these fools. This whole sit back and do nothing and hope for the best doesn't make any sort of strategical sense. You have to keep your eye on the game if you gonna play. He's obviously continuing to play all sides. Holding back on playing the Sansa card would be a waste and eventually it'd be worthless.

You can say the show is being written extremely stupid right now but we all know it's from the source material and that isn't a far cry from what's going on right now. So if you don't like it blame the show runners and/or GRRM.

Either way Littlefinger still running ****

 

[Barbados Slim]

I think what @itsaboutthattime(correct me if I'm wrong) is getting at is prior to this season Littlefinger had spys that gathered information that nobody knew and used that to put his plans in motion, but his season he's using knowledge that everyone should know, which is why he feels like certain things should have happened without his interference. One example that I can think of is the Cersie and Jamie incest. In season 2 there was a scene where Stannis gets the letter from Ned about what he found out about the Lannister siblings. Stannis then sent that letter to all the lords of Westeros, and the word spread even to common folk, so why did Lady Olenna not know this until Little Finger told her this season? And if that wasn't the info that Little Finger gave up The High Sparrow still should have heard about the Queen awhile ago. 

 

[IATT]

watch the video I posted.. dude is trying to create chaos and bring down the bigger houses and put him in a position to raise from the mess..

well that is going to happen with or without him at his point (the chaos).. the things he did up to this season have worked to accomplish that goal

if dude is playing chess and not checkers, I don't understand why he is sacrificing a significant piece for no real gain.. sure sacrifice the dude who ratted on loras/margarey, he's a pawn in the grand scheme

but if cersei has to wait for him to provide information that the Boltons have sansa.. well, obviously she isn't that informed.. and they could have just stolen the story from the back of using a fake arya or sansa

like there was no reason for him to give up a significant piece when he could have accomplished his goals without it

You can say the show is being written extremely stupid right now but we all know it's front he source material and that isn't a far cry from what's going on right now. So if you don't like it blame the show runners and/or GRRM.

in the book jeyne poole is sent by the lanisters to marry ramsay.. and she's supposed to be arya.. and GRRM left the show to focus on finishing the books

 

[IATT]

 
I think what @itsaboutthattime(correct me if I'm wrong) is getting at is prior to this season Littlefinger had spys that gathered information that nobody knew and used that to put his plans in motion, but his season he's using knowledge that everyone should know, which is why he feels like certain things should have happened without his interference. One example that I can think of is the Cersie and Jamie incest. In season 2 there was a scene where Stannis gets the letter from Ned about what he found out about the Lannister siblings. Stannis then sent that letter to all the lords of Westeros, and the word spread even to common folk, so why did Lady Olenna not know this until Little Finger told her this season? And if that wasn't the info that Little Finger gave up The High Sparrow still should have heard about the Queen awhile ago. 

well I specifically referenced littlefinger having to inform cersei of the boltons having sansa.. with the amount of spies she once had, she should have that information

lady olenna is well aware of cersei's and Jamie's incest (wont let me embed).. starts 1:45:

 

[Barbados Slim]

Oh snap I forgot about that.

Why didn't she play that card immediately then when Loras was questioned?

 

[IATT]

and we cant forget that littlefinger admitted to lady olenna that it was him who provided cersei with the person who put loras and margarey in their current positions..

how exactly does that help him to give up that information?

this a dude who was moving in silence prior to this season.. and all of a sudden he wants credit from someone he is screwing over.. an extremely powerful family (hell probably the most powerful family right now)

 

[HNL HI]

We don't know yet if Lansel is even the "handsome young man", especially since the septon already knew. I do find it counterintuitive of Little Finger to throw Cersei under the bus though, since she is the only one who promised him the warden of the north.

 

[HNL HI]

Seemed like little finger was just being honest with lady olenna since they're in it deeper(killing joff). plus she threatened him that they better not be harmed.

 

[IATT]

Saying something like his actions are to only keep him involved with what's going on makes no damn sense. From the very start of the show we come to find out all of his actions have reasons.

his actions now don't make sense.. read what I am continuously saying.. what he is doing this season doesn't make sense

like literally ratting himself out to lady olenna last episode

 

[IATT]

Seemed like little finger was just being honest with lady olenna since they're in it deeper(killing joff). plus she threatened him that they better not be harmed.

so now littlefinger of all people is just going be honest.. for what purpose..

like literally he could still have given her whatever information he did without giving her the knowledge of what he did to screw her family

 

[HNL HI]

Well he didn't say exactly what he did, just that he'll giver her the samething he gave Cersei.

 

[IATT]

Well he didn't say exactly what he did, just that he'll giver her the samething he gave Cersei.

and he could have very easily just said "i am here with a gift.. here is this information on cersei that you might find useful"

doesn't implicate himself at all.. there is no reason for him to just give up that information, unless you're dumbing things down for the audience and feel you need to remind them: "hey, it was litttlefinger that did this"