OFFICIAL GAME OF THRONES THREAD | HOUSE OF THE DRAGON Premieres 8.21.22 | OFFICIAL TRAILER REVEALED

[ronaldcinho]

Yeah it always did kind of rub me the wrong way that he was actually justified in killing the Mad King but everyone refers to him as the kingslayer with a negative connotation. 

Just kind of one of those things that irks you as the informed viewer as you know what really happened but only Jaime and Brienne and possibly a few others know.

I do understand where everyone else is coming from with the idea of knighthood and Jaime breaking his vow as a member of the Kingsguard, but it still pisses me off. Deep down under all the incest and the arrogance, there's a person with a fairly decent moral compass. Which is few and far between in Westeros. 

 

[masagipatron]

 
Yeah it always did kind of rub me the wrong way that he was actually justified in killing the Mad King but everyone refers to him as the kingslayer with a negative connotation. 

Just kind of one of those things that irks you as the informed viewer as you know what really happened but only Jaime and Brienne and possibly a few others know.

I do understand where everyone else is coming from with the idea of knighthood and Jaime breaking his vow as a member of the Kingsguard, but it still pisses me off. Deep down under all the incest and the arrogance, there's a person with a fairly decent moral compass. Which is few and far between in Westeros. 

The Kingsguard have to always protect the King and the royal family, regardless of the circumstances. What's really unfair is that Jaime was manipulated into becoming a member of the Kingsguard by The Mad King, who wanted to rob Tywin of his best choice for an heir to Casterly Rock since Kingsguard can't hold any titles or land. He may not have known it at the time but he was a pawn in the feuding between Aerys and Tywin. That doesn't excuse the incest or pushing Bran off of a tower but it does show that Jaime really exists in this grey area, more so than a lot of the other characters. I think he's the "valonqar" and that whole situation could be his last redeeming moment. 

 

[KingParappa]

Yeah it always did kind of rub me the wrong way that he was actually justified in killing the Mad King but everyone refers to him as the kingslayer with a negative connotation. 

Just kind of one of those things that irks you as the informed viewer as you know what really happened but only Jaime and Brienne and possibly a few others know.

I do understand where everyone else is coming from with the idea of knighthood and Jaime breaking his vow as a member of the Kingsguard, but it still pisses me off. Deep down under all the incest and the arrogance, there's a person with a fairly decent moral compass. Which is few and far between in Westeros. 

Even Robert calls him it. Like THIS HELPED YOU!

 

[Master Zik]

That **** still a cowardly act.

Should've let Robert have the fair one with the Mad King. He'd eventually lose. If a bunch of ppl die it'd just solidify the exodus of any Targareyn on the iron throne.

 

[Barbados Slim]

Yall are just gonna ignore the kill streak Jon had at the castle black battle? He wields Longclaw like a lightsaber when he fights Styr

 

[brandon3000]

Doesnt matter. killed a whitewalker

 

Sam did it first though.

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Yall are just gonna ignore the kill streak Jon had at the castle black battle? He wields Longclaw like a lightsaber when he fights Styr

seriously tho. Jon was catchin so many bodies

 

[Grine]

The discredit of Snow in this thread shames me. Smdh

 

[calibeebee]

The discredit of Snow in this thread shames me. Smdh

#theysleep

 

[wavycrocket]

Jamie def got humbled, and turned honorable. However, after Mycella's death.....he's about to turn heel again. ***** got no emotions now.

 

[robtoofresco]

The discredit of Snow in this thread shames me. Smdh

 

[wavycrocket]

Rewatched "Hardhome"....Some may have noticed this, but I didn't catch it. Olly & Sam are having a convo about Jon letting the white walkers in.

Sam: “Sometimes, a man has to make hard choices, choices that look wrong to others, but that he knows are right."

Olly: "You believe that?"

Sam: With all my heart."

Olly: Quietly nodding and going away....taking this as confirmation that killing Jon is the right thing to do.

Sam ended the convo saying, "Try not to worry about Jon Snow. I've been worried about him for years. At the end of the day, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK"......says that with a smirk.

Can't ban the snowman

 

[masagipatron]

I remember that scene. When he says "he always comes back" and Melisandre meeting Thoros and Beric in Season 3, that pretty much confirmed that Jon was going to be resurrected. 

 

[shogun]

Jamie def got humbled, and turned honorable. However, after Mycella's death.....he's about to turn heel again. ***** got no emotions now.

He needs that amazon love from Brienne bae to turn him good again.

 

[bigego24]

The discredit of Snow in this thread shames me. Smdh

Jon is da Gawd. These non believers will see when he comes byke from death officially.

#theysleep

Let them stay sleeping mayne.

Jamie def got humbled, and turned honorable. However, after Mycella's death.....he's about to turn heel again. ***** got no emotions now.

Straight HHH burying WCW talent heel tactics.

Do not fret Sir Rob, when he is byke they will have to change their tunes.

Rewatched "Hardhome"....Some may have noticed this, but I didn't catch it. Olly & Sam are having a convo about Jon letting the white walkers in.

Sam: “Sometimes, a man has to make hard choices, choices that look wrong to others, but that he knows are right."

Olly: "You believe that?"

Sam: With all my heart."

Olly: Quietly nodding and going away....taking this as confirmation that killing Jon is the right thing to do.

Sam ended the convo saying, "Try not to worry about Jon Snow. I've been worried about him for years. At the end of the day, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK"......says that with a smirk.

Can't ban the snowman

I remember all of that. **** Ollie man.

 

[ronaldcinho]

Snow gonna come byke delivert. Ready to catch more bodies with no remorse. 

I believe in R+L=J, just ready to see it come to fruition.

 

[calibeebee]

Jamie def got humbled, and turned honorable. However, after Mycella's death.....he's about to turn heel again. ***** got no emotions now.

I think being away from his sister also helped. He's terrible when he's around her it seems

 

[diego]

Jon Snow is da gawd wit the sword...that's why baby girl e grit was so sprung.

He's also pretty good at fighting bad guys.

Jon Snow da Gawd.

 

[wavycrocket]

I think being away from his sister also helped. He's terrible when he's around her it seems

This is true. To be fair, he didn't want to push Bron out the window. Cersei told him to. Then he said, "the things I do for love", and pushed Bron out the window.

Jamie has/had a solid moral compass. He just grew up in a fkcd up family.

 

[shatterkneesinc]

Honor is very important to Jaime even tho he pretend its not

 

[big j 33]

The whole Jaime still being hated as the Kingslayer just makes for a better character, interactions, and relationships.

It was one of my favorite parts of the entire series, when we learn that Jaime actually helped saved lies by breaking his vows and being a "dishonorable" knight. It opens up so much for his character and it also further shows the ambiguity of the show. That twist put the show and story up a few notches for me.

 

[jape]

rob was nicer than jon though...

everyone knew he couldnt be defeated so they had to set him up

and the wildling chick already spared his life...he shouldve been dead

 

[calibeebee]

The whole Jaime still being hated as the Kingslayer just makes for a better character, interactions, and relationships.

It was one of my favorite parts of the entire series, when we learn that Jaime actually helped saved lies by breaking his vows and being a "dishonorable" knight. It opens up so much for his character and it also further shows the ambiguity of the show. That twist put the show and story up a few notches for me.

Yep. That scene with him in the tub with brienne, finally telling the story of how it all went down......that was gripping to me. Like I already like the show but that moment put it on GOAT status for me.

Great story telling just does it for me. And GoT does it best.

 

[Barbados Slim]

 
rob was nicer than jon though...

everyone knew he couldnt be defeated so they had to set him up

and the wildling chick already spared his life...he shouldve been dead

How was Robb nicer the LC Jon Snow?

If by the wildling chick you mean Ygritte, Jon spared her life first. 

 

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[masagipatron]

 
rob was nicer than jon though...

everyone knew he couldnt be defeated so they had to set him up

and the wildling chick already spared his life...he shouldve been dead

The setup was possible because Robb kept screwing up. He didn't marry the Frey girl even though he vowed too and that made the Frey's leave his army. He executed Lord Karstark which made the Karstarks leave him. Robb made repeated bad decisions which set the stage for his downfall. Before the Red Wedding, Robb's army had lost a lot of it's strength which is why he had to appeal to the Freys again. If Robb had married the Frey girl and spared Karstark, he still be alive.