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Originally Posted by Juan Baller
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Great article for anybody who is an MMA historian or buff, its about the Pride GP 2000. Perhaps the most significant MMA event ever.
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yall remember dan severn
brock reminds me of him
brock reminds me of him
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Overeem KO'd Fujita with a knee.Originally Posted by FlashEightZero
Originally Posted by Juan Baller
No way Brock would survive that either.
Brock can beat Fedor. That's why he talks about him all the time.
Wonder why he ( nor Dana) doesn't talk about Overeem much?
If Lesnar gave so much respect to Carwin's stand up that he only attempted 1 take down in the first round then I'd imagine he'd have to give even more respect to Overeem's stand up.
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1. Brock cannot beat Fedor, Fedor is to quick and has faced bigger people, plus hes not going to be triangle choking Fedor after his lose.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
Overeem KO'd Fujita with a knee.Originally Posted by FlashEightZero
Originally Posted by Juan Baller
No way Brock would survive that either.
Brock can beat Fedor. That's why he talks about him all the time.
Wonder why he nor Dana don't talk about Overeem?
If Lesnar gave so much respect to Carwin's stand up that he only attempted 1 take down in the first round then I'd imagine he'd have to give even more respect to Overeem's stand up.
2. It was two take downs he attempted and the reason he stopped was because everytime he attempted them it would get stuffed and result in him getting punched in the face.
Lastly I don't understand why people think Overeem juices thats a 7 year span i mean like have you see people transform from p90x in 3 months? thats a 7 year span if he works out as much as they say he did that its not that unbelievable.
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1. Brock cannot beat Fedor, Fedor is to quick and has faced bigger people, plus hes not going to be triangle choking Fedor after his lose.
2. It was two take downs he attempted and the reason he stopped was because everytime he attempted them it would get stuffed and result in him getting punched in the face.
Lastly I don't understand why people think Overeem juices thats a 7 year span i mean like have you see people transform from p90x in 3 months? thats a 7 year span if he works out as much as they say he did that its not that unbelievable.
I'm a Fedor fan but I do think Brock has a good shot at beating Fedor. The main reason is the weight differential and the fact that Brock knows how to use it to his advantage. Yes, Fedor has fought heavier fighters but they didn't know how to use their weight like Lesnar does. I'm not going to say that Lesnar can easily beat Fedor but he has a good shot at it if he approaches it in the correct manner.
I agree with your 2nd point. Although you also have to factor in that Carwin is 260+ as well. Lesnar had to be a bit tentative with his take downs lest he get caught and KO'd. Imo, he would be much more aggressive against Fedor knowing that 1 punch will not necessarily KO him and that taking down a 230 lb'er is much easier than a 260 lb'er. Yes, I know Fedor has good take down defense but weight matters...a lot. hat's why divisions exist.
I agree that Overeem isn't necessarily juicing. Being 250 at 6'5" is not that big and in his early years he def was on the small side. I've also read that he trains with strongmen competitors in Holland and there's a video of him pulling 300 kilos for 5 reps. Pretty close to elite strentgh.
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I'm a Fedor fan but I do think Brock has a good shot at beating Fedor. The main reason is the weight differential and the fac tthat Brock knows how to use it to his advantage. Yes, Fedor has fought heavier fighters but they didn't know how to use their weight like Lesnar does. I'm not going that Lesnar can easily beat Fedor but he has a good shot at it if he approached it in the correct manner.
Your 2nd point I agree, Although you also have to factor in that Carwin is 260+ as well. You also ahve to factor in that Lesnar had to be a bit tentative with his take downs lest he get caught and KO'd. Imo, he would be much more aggressive against Fedor knowing that 1 punch will not necessarily KO him and that taking down a 230 lb'er is much easier than a 260 lb'er. Yes, I know Fedor has good take down defense but weight matters...a lot.
I agree that Overeem isn't necessarily juicing. Being 250 at 6'5" is not that big and in his early years he def was on the small side. I've also read that he trains with strongmen competitors in Holland and there's a video of him pulling 300 kilos for 5 reps. Not elite strentgh but very strong none the less.
i agree with eveything you said besides what i bolded. Randy Couture was preventing Lesnar from taking him down and also Fedor's striking is way more dangerous than Randy's
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Originally Posted by FlashEightZero
Originally Posted by Juan Baller
brock used to use roids too, all the wwe dudes do.
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^ thing is Brock was a HW Amateur Wrestler before he went to the WWE. So he never used roids to gain weight like Overeem, and not all WWE wrestlers use roids, but most do because of their harsh schedule.
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Originally Posted by ludex360
Originally Posted by FlashEightZero
Originally Posted by Juan Baller
brock used to use roids too, all the wwe dudes do.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't even mean anything, really.
He was already gigantic in college. If he took steroids, it was only to recover quickly since a pro wrestling schedule is absolutely brutal on the human body, as mentioned already. Take a look at this article from 2000.
http://sportsillustrated....ine/MAG1018452/index.htm
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I know that the official weight for the fight was 265 lbs., and both fighters looked that weight during the official weigh in, but when they stood in the middle of the cage for ref's instructions they both looked much bigger..Can someone tell me how they find a way to appear 20 pounds heavier only 1 day after weighing in?..And does anyone know what Shane and Brock's REAL weights were at fight time?..Cause Shane looked in the 275 range and Brock looked every bit of 285-290..Thank you..
And Im so glad that Brock was the victor last night..He took some top tier Carwin punches and got put on his back, and then got hit with several nice fists and elbows on the ground but still had the prescense of mind to kick him off a couple times and tried to tie his hands up a couple times too..and then he did the unthinkable and got to his feet..Came out second round and waited for his small opening and took Carwin down..And then did a very smooth transition from top mount to side control to sink that submission in..And when Carwin looked like he might have found a tiny glimmer of hope to get out of it, Brock was smart enough to re-synch it and make him tap..Very happy with Brock's performance..And impressed alot with Carwin's performance..Hats off to both of them..Can't wait to see Brock destroy Cain and Shane crush JDS so this time next year we'll be having Lesnar vs. Carwin II..God bless..
And Im so glad that Brock was the victor last night..He took some top tier Carwin punches and got put on his back, and then got hit with several nice fists and elbows on the ground but still had the prescense of mind to kick him off a couple times and tried to tie his hands up a couple times too..and then he did the unthinkable and got to his feet..Came out second round and waited for his small opening and took Carwin down..And then did a very smooth transition from top mount to side control to sink that submission in..And when Carwin looked like he might have found a tiny glimmer of hope to get out of it, Brock was smart enough to re-synch it and make him tap..Very happy with Brock's performance..And impressed alot with Carwin's performance..Hats off to both of them..Can't wait to see Brock destroy Cain and Shane crush JDS so this time next year we'll be having Lesnar vs. Carwin II..God bless..
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They both cut weight to make 265. Brock said he was actually 265, eating heathly since the surgery and Carwin bulked up to 275.
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Brocky, Brocky, Brocky, Brocky, Brocky
I watched the fight in Hooters and I was the only one who had the balls to chant for Brock when most people were rooting for Shane. I was screaming my lungs out when everybody was silent.
To all the Brock haters and Shane nutthuggers, this fight showed that Shane ain't ready to be a Champion. It doesn't matter whether the fight should have been stopped via TKO. If he can't last 3 rounds with an opponent let alone 5 than he ain't worthy to be a Champion plain and simple. If would have been a waste if the ref stopped the fight and declared Shane as the Champ. Brock is the TRUE Champ.
I'm happy for Brock
I watched the fight in Hooters and I was the only one who had the balls to chant for Brock when most people were rooting for Shane. I was screaming my lungs out when everybody was silent.
To all the Brock haters and Shane nutthuggers, this fight showed that Shane ain't ready to be a Champion. It doesn't matter whether the fight should have been stopped via TKO. If he can't last 3 rounds with an opponent let alone 5 than he ain't worthy to be a Champion plain and simple. If would have been a waste if the ref stopped the fight and declared Shane as the Champ. Brock is the TRUE Champ.
I'm happy for Brock
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I don't think i've ever seen Brock be called mediocre. That's funny considering he's the best heavyweight at the moment. He's only had 6 fights and he's beating top guys. Of course his standup is still developing, every fighter has holes in their game. To be that good that early in your career is amazing.
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anyone who calls Brock mediocre is out of their minds.
Lesnar showed some serious heart in that fight, and i think this performance has humbled him quite a bit as he now realizes hes not invincible.
Still Lesnar is, was, and will always be my dude
OH and I was 4 for 5 in predictions tonight.
Im a genius
Lesnar showed some serious heart in that fight, and i think this performance has humbled him quite a bit as he now realizes hes not invincible.
Still Lesnar is, was, and will always be my dude
OH and I was 4 for 5 in predictions tonight.
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Originally Posted by Club29
anyone who calls Brock mediocre is out of their minds.
Lesnar showed some serious heart in that fight, and i think this performance has humbled him quite a bit as he now realizes hes not invincible.
Still Lesnar is, was, and will always be my dude
OH and I was 4 for 5 in predictions tonight.
Im a genius
Damn what a great fight. During the Rd 1 onslaught I was hopin and prayin that Rosenthal wouldn't stop the fight. Glad he gave the champ every opportunity to fight back and defend himself. Terrible sub defense by Carwin in Rd 2, but I'm not complaining.
Club - what was your missed prediction? The Sexyama fight was my big miss of the night, but hat's off to Leben. Luckily my 2 heaviest plays were Lesnar and Lytle so all in all turned out to be a pretty decent betting night.
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Carwin didnt gas out.
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Exactly. To be the champ already this early in his career is a great accomplishment. Scary part is he's still improving and seems to be a willing learner so he's only going to get better. He put that choke on Shane Carwin with ease, if anything, he exposed Shane Carwin's ground game defense. Brock's not a technical striker and probably will never be one. He doesn't have to be one though because his strength is on the ground even thought I think he'll improve his stand up.
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Originally Posted by Mojodmonky1
Originally Posted by Club29
anyone who calls Brock mediocre is out of their minds.
Lesnar showed some serious heart in that fight, and i think this performance has humbled him quite a bit as he now realizes hes not invincible.
Still Lesnar is, was, and will always be my dude
OH and I was 4 for 5 in predictions tonight.
Im a genius
at anyone callin Brock mediocre.
Damn what a great fight. During the Rd 1 onslaught I was hopin and prayin that Rosenthal wouldn't stop the fight. Glad he gave the champ every opportunity to fight back and defend himself. Terrible sub defense by Carwin in Rd 2, but I'm not complaining.
Club - what was your missed prediction? The Sexyama fight was my big miss of the night, but hat's off to Leben. Luckily my 2 heaviest plays were Lesnar and Lytle so all in all turned out to be a pretty decent betting night.
I actually had Kryzstoff winning by decision against Bonnar, who I always felt was average at best.
Good win for him though.
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Is that a huge cut across his forehead?
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Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez Agree to Fight at UFC 121
Can't wait for this fight but I see Brock taking this as well. Take down then GnP.
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