Official N.Y. Yankees 2009 SEASON THREAD (103-59) WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

[frankie valentino]

Originally Posted by briannnnn

I mentioned this before but I'll say it again: keep your eyes out for Mark Melancon. Dude has been a beast in AAA and if he is as good as advertised in the majors, he will easily be a closer, or a trusty setup man at the very least.

You act like this is top secret info

 

[briannnnn]

Originally Posted by Frankie Valentino

Originally Posted by briannnnn

I mentioned this before but I'll say it again: keep your eyes out for Mark Melancon. Dude has been a beast in AAA and if he is as good as advertised in the majors, he will easily be a closer, or a trusty setup man at the very least.

You act like this is top secret info

Dude's the goods

 

[onewearz]

dam this night shift is killing me, 2nd day in a row i fall asleep in the 7th and miss the game

gotta catch the replay ........

 

[scuse7]

Maybe make him the closer later on when Mariano is done. But not yet. Guys can't come in here and say he isn't a starter when he is a couple startsinto his first full season. He is going to have bumps in the road, but he is a starter and wants to be one.

Things will smooth out in the bullpen. Guys like Veras and Marte are just having bad starts.

 

[alleniversonfan01]

Originally Posted by true 3 blue


I agree with Joba in the pen. Who's to say that when Mo retires we'll have another closer lined up? Put Joba in the pen, Bruney at middle relief and when Mo retires Joba can be the closer.

This man speaks like a rational Yankee's fan. Joba definitely belongs in the Pen. He has two good pitches and other than that he doesnt havemuch. After 2 or 3 innings teams get a feel for which pitch he is leaning on for the day and they will get after him almost ever time. Sure he will havethose days where the fastball and change are both working and those are the days Yankee fans come out to say told you so. But to be honest he has a good gamemaybe once every 4 or 5.

Other than that it was a good win for you guys. Because although it was nice seeing you lose the home/stadium opener. It would have hurt me a lil if you lostthe first 2.

And the other thing I was wondering since I dont watch your games like that is I know Swisher is putting up good numbers somewhat. But Whenever I watch theespn gamecasts he strikes out looking. Does he just look for one pitch and doesnt swing at much else or is he just getting fooled a lot.

 

[mez 0ne]

^ AND the Yankees have dude on a pitch limit for the season, the hell is the point if you're going to keep taking him out after 5 and taxing your pen?

They could have traded for a pitcher but with Nady now hurt they waited too long, they could have games ending after 7 innings with Joba and Rivera.

FYI that right field porch is a joke, 2 of those home runs are fly balls in any other stadium (except maybe Citizens Bank Park)

 

[alleniversonfan01]

O wow Mez didnt know that about the pitch limit. But yea the arguments just get stronger. Ok it was a good try last season cuz you guys were stuggling and hadWang out for the year (so far he might as well be out anyways) but it is just rational that Hank admits he was wrong and moves him back.

 

[briannnnn]

Originally Posted by AllenIversonFan01

Originally Posted by true 3 blue


I agree with Joba in the pen. Who's to say that when Mo retires we'll have another closer lined up? Put Joba in the pen, Bruney at middle relief and when Mo retires Joba can be the closer.

This man speaks like a rational Yankee's fan. Joba definitely belongs in the Pen. He has two good pitches and other than that he doesnt have much. After 2 or 3 innings teams get a feel for which pitch he is leaning on for the day and they will get after him almost ever time. Sure he will have those days where the fastball and change are both working and those are the days Yankee fans come out to say told you so. But to be honest he has a good game maybe once every 4 or 5.

Other than that it was a good win for you guys. Because although it was nice seeing you lose the home/stadium opener. It would have hurt me a lil if you lost the first 2.

And the other thing I was wondering since I dont watch your games like that is I know Swisher is putting up good numbers somewhat. But Whenever I watch the espn gamecasts he strikes out looking. Does he just look for one pitch and doesnt swing at much else or is he just getting fooled a lot.

Swish mainly works the count. Usually tries to get the pitcher to get the count to 3-2 and then it becomes a battle.

Mez, that porch was always there,

To give others an idea how many HRs have been hit (from the Yankees blog on LoHud)
[h2]http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/04/17/new-stadium-a-launching-pad/[/h2]

[h2]New Stadium a launching pad?[/h2] April 17
There have been 34.5 innings played at the new Stadium and 17 home runs have been hit.

That's far too small a sample size to draw any conclusions from. But that does seem like a lot. Is the wind howling through those open concourses? Is there some sort of wind tunnel toward right field? And this in cold weather, too.

The details:

April 3 vs. Cubs, exhibition game: 3 homers: Cano, Matsui, Ransom.

April 4 vs. Cubs, exhibition game: 5 homers: Soriano; Jeter, Teixeira (2), Duncan.

April 16 vs Indians: 3 homers: Sizemore, Martinez; Posada.

April 17 vs. Indians: 6 homers: DeRosa; Damon, Teixeira, Cabrera, Jeter, Cano.

April 16 vs Indians: 3 homers: Sizemore, Martinez; Posada.

April 17 vs. Indians: 6 homers: DeRosa; Damon, Teixeira, Cabrera, Jeter, Cano.

 

[mez 0ne]

I still hate it.

Ball seems to carry on the corners but die in center field so far this year, same as in Citi Field.

 

[biggie62]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Proshares

Who you replacing him with in the rotation?

Cares. He needs to be your setup man and heir apparent to Mariano. Period. One of the best setup men in baseball just falls into the Yankees lap and they wanna make him a starter. I just dont get it.

I agree. People keep saying he's always been a starter. Well so were many good closer and RP at some point. But they were better suited for the bullpen. Joba loses a lot of velocity once he hits 60 or so pitches. Make him a setup man and eventual closer. Dude has the confidence to be Mariano like if he putsin the work, and he damn sure has the stuff for that kind of job. We got 3 starters in the minors. Hughes, Kennedy, and that 6'9 guy who had surgery 1.5years ago. We are fine with starters. We need a solid 8th inning guy who is straight shut down. Remember during our earlier run we had both Nelson andStanton who were shut down. We need 2 again. Bruney can be one, but we are still missing that 2nd.

 

[briannnnn]

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Proshares

Who you replacing him with in the rotation?

Cares. He needs to be your setup man and heir apparent to Mariano. Period. One of the best setup men in baseball just falls into the Yankees lap and they wanna make him a starter. I just dont get it.

I agree. People keep saying he's always been a starter. Well so were many good closer and RP at some point. But they were better suited for the bullpen. Joba loses a lot of velocity once he hits 60 or so pitches. Make him a setup man and eventual closer. Dude has the confidence to be Mariano like if he puts in the work, and he damn sure has the stuff for that kind of job. We got 3 starters in the minors. Hughes, Kennedy, and that 6'9 guy who had surgery 1.5 years ago. We are fine with starters. We need a solid 8th inning guy who is straight shut down. Remember during our earlier run we had both Nelson and Stanton who were shut down. We need 2 again. Bruney can be one, but we are still missing that 2nd.

Andrew Brackman, I assume?

 

[biggie62]

Originally Posted by briannnnn

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Proshares

Who you replacing him with in the rotation?

Cares. He needs to be your setup man and heir apparent to Mariano. Period. One of the best setup men in baseball just falls into the Yankees lap and they wanna make him a starter. I just dont get it.

I agree. People keep saying he's always been a starter. Well so were many good closer and RP at some point. But they were better suited for the bullpen. Joba loses a lot of velocity once he hits 60 or so pitches. Make him a setup man and eventual closer. Dude has the confidence to be Mariano like if he puts in the work, and he damn sure has the stuff for that kind of job. We got 3 starters in the minors. Hughes, Kennedy, and that 6'9 guy who had surgery 1.5 years ago. We are fine with starters. We need a solid 8th inning guy who is straight shut down. Remember during our earlier run we had both Nelson and Stanton who were shut down. We need 2 again. Bruney can be one, but we are still missing that 2nd.

Andrew Brackman, I assume?

Yea thx, forgot his name.

 

[kingjay718]

Replace Joba, with Phil Hughes, or Ian Kennedy please! Joba was filthier, when he came in in relief.

 

[tbone95860]

Joba needs to stay in the ROTATION, yall are crazy.

SP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RP

& it's not even close

Joba has one iffy game and yall types just come crawling out

Where were you after his FIRST START when he dominated???

 

[tbone95860]

There were two reasons today was successful for the Yankees: They won, of course. And Joba Chamberlain threw 93 pitches and didn't come away limping or clutching anything.

The primary goal for young Mr. Chamberlain this season should be to throw at least 160 innings and not spend one day on the disabled list. There will be some days when he throws seven innings, strikes everybody out and looks like Walter Johnson and others when he throws 4.2 innings like he did today and looks like Jason Johnson.

Joba needs to learn how to be a starter in the big leagues and that means learning how to survive when you can't spot your fastball. Or when its cold. Or when it's hot. Or when the umpire is lousy. He just needs to pitch.

Using him for one inning at a time is like having a Ferrari and only driving it a block at a time. The Yankees need to figure out what Joba can do and the only way to do that is to let him pitch every five days.

He's going to have some rocky games. But as long as he is piling up innings and pitches, he's conditioning himself for next season, when he can throw 180 innings. Or 2010 when he can throw 210. Aces don't just float down from baseball heaven one day, they are developed.
"We talk to him about it all the time, learning from your mistakes and developing a routine between starts. It's a learning process," CC Sabathia said. "He'll be a lot better at this time next season. That's always how it works. That first year, you learn a lot."

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Using him for one inning at a time is like having a Ferrari and only driving it a block at a time.
Good analogy.

Joba's going to be great. People need to learn to be patient. They see how dominant he was relieving, and they don't want the process that it takes tomake him an ace. It'll all be worth it when he's a top ace in the league, though. Just sit back and enjoy the growth.

 

[biggie62]

Originally Posted by TBONE95860

There were two reasons today was successful for the Yankees: They won, of course. And Joba Chamberlain threw 93 pitches and didn't come away limping or clutching anything.

The primary goal for young Mr. Chamberlain this season should be to throw at least 160 innings and not spend one day on the disabled list. There will be some days when he throws seven innings, strikes everybody out and looks like Walter Johnson and others when he throws 4.2 innings like he did today and looks like Jason Johnson.

Joba needs to learn how to be a starter in the big leagues and that means learning how to survive when you can't spot your fastball. Or when its cold. Or when it's hot. Or when the umpire is lousy. He just needs to pitch.

Using him for one inning at a time is like having a Ferrari and only driving it a block at a time. The Yankees need to figure out what Joba can do and the only way to do that is to let him pitch every five days.

He's going to have some rocky games. But as long as he is piling up innings and pitches, he's conditioning himself for next season, when he can throw 180 innings. Or 2010 when he can throw 210. Aces don't just float down from baseball heaven one day, they are developed.
"We talk to him about it all the time, learning from your mistakes and developing a routine between starts. It's a learning process," CC Sabathia said. "He'll be a lot better at this time next season. That's always how it works. That first year, you learn a lot."

Papelbone was very similar caliber. And where is he? In the bullpen. Sometimes sacrifices must be made. This is one that for some reasonpeople don't understand. Plus here's another nice question. Who's going to close in 2 years? Finding good closers is harder than good SPs.

 

[frankie valentino]

We probably wouldn't be having this discussion if Hughes and Kennedy were effective. Remember that back in November Wang was the only one signed startingpitcher in the rotation. CC and Burnett weren't signed yet, Mussina retired, and Pettite was a FA, so of course the Yankees had to stick to keeping him astarting pitcher over the offseason for fear of not having a full starting rotation.

 

[joe twenty1]

Originally Posted by AllenIversonFan01

O wow Mez didnt know that about the pitch limit. But yea the arguments just get stronger. Ok it was a good try last season cuz you guys were stuggling and had Wang out for the year (so far he might as well be out anyways) but it is just rational that Hank admits he was wrong and moves him back.

Every pitcher in baseball is on a pitch limit.
Every young pitcher has an inning limit until the reach around 200 in a season, in most smart organizations that is.

Some of the things said about Joba in this thread are ridiculous. Joba loses his velocity around 60 pitches? That's absolutly not true, at all. The scarything about Joba is that he maitains he velocity throughout his starts. Thats what makes him an effective starter, unlike Papelbon who cannot maintain hisvelocity after multiple innings.

This was his second start of the season so he, like every pitcher in the MLB is still gaining strength in there arms. Most pitchers are not at full strengthuntill probably around 5-7 starts into the season.

He has been a very good starter since he has been moved into this role. Why would anyone want to take a 22 year old that throw 4 plus pitchs and make him areliever? The only reason he got called up in 07 and was put in the bullpen was because our bullpen was terrible that year and he was aproaching his inningslimit. Not because he is a reliever. Johan Santana started his carrer in the bullpen before making the transition to starter. How come he didnt stay in thebullpen?

The only argument that makes any sense at all for Joba to be a reliever is if he physicaly can not handle and starting pitchers work load. He did have shouldertendinitis last season, which is common in young pitchers, but besides that he has been healthy since a minor tricep strain as a college sophmore.

 

[dland24]

Originally Posted by HarlemToTheBronx

Using him for one inning at a time is like having a Ferrari and only driving it a block at a time.

Good analogy.

Joba's going to be great. People need to learn to be patient. They see how dominant he was relieving, and they don't want the process that it takes to make him an ace. It'll all be worth it when he's a top ace in the league, though. Just sit back and enjoy the growth.



As an outsider, I couldnt disagree any more. The best move for the Yankees would be not waiting for him to become an ace. Maybe he will become a top SP in theleague, maybe he wont.....but you already know he is a top setup man. You have CC for 7 years and AJ for 5. You dont need another ace. You know what theYankees wont have for the next 5 or 7 years? Derek Jeter. Jorge Posada. Johnny Damon. Mariano Rivera. Joba Chamberlain in the 8th inning and Mariano in the 9thmake Yankee games 7 inning games. He gives the Yankees a better chance to win NOW in the bullpen. Sure he may turn into something special in 2 or 3 seasons,but 2 or 3 seasons down the road you will have all or some those players I just mentioned to replace. You will have 3 top of the rotation aces in yourrotation, but who knows how good you will be as a whole by then.

 

[dunkaroos]

# of wins we can secure with a Joba/Rivera combination >>> # of wins Joba can win or give us the win

 

[callhimar]

Joba has one iffy game and yall types just come crawling out

Where were you after his FIRST START when he dominated???
Thank you. I had to argue this point all day yesterday. It got so repetitive. However he clearly isn't as dominant as he was in the pen.I'm on the fence about this and we'll have to see how things play out over his next few starts, but it's undeniable that we are going to needsomeone to replace Mo, and when that time comes I don't see a better candidate than Joba.

 

[al3xis]

yeah.."yall types"

every non Yankee fan thinkin it's been a bad move says enough.

I probably speak for most, when I say, we don't care, if anything...it's better....we don't want games being over after 7 innings.

that's all.

 

[mez 0ne]

Joba throws a lot of pitches + is on a strict pitch count (for like 3 years already), he is better in the pen being a starter makes no sense he'll just taxthe already shaky pen.

But I could care less.

# of wins we can secure with a Joba/Rivera combination >>> # of wins Joba can win or give us the win


Pretty much.

 

[true 3 blue]

I strongly agree.