OFFICIAL NBA 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

[hardens beard]

Harden shoots more free throws therefore his epic playoff choke jobs are more impressive

Try again. They both shoot nearly the same amount of FT's.

One of them just doesn't shoot that bum *** midrange pull up 2

 

[addict4sneakers]

Wut

 

[nick.]

Wut

Man what???

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

@ donknock from clutchfans pointed this out

• Then after the next play (where Harden scores) when the camera cuts to a close up of him he shakes his head like he's trying to reorient himself.
• Then two plays after that he lumbers around on defense very flatfooted even by his standards.
• The next time he has the ball he almost falls over trying to turn the corner on Mills and then he eventually does fall over when Mills bumps him.
• When Simmons draws the offensive foul on him, rather than react demonstratively to the ref (like he normally does) he just walks towards the other end of the court with a spaced out look on his face.
• He has virtually no expression when Mills makes the buzzer beater as well.
• Next, Simmons gets a poke away from behind when Harden does not turn the corner with his usual burst.
• Then when Harden guards Aldridge in the post he is stumbling around again, it even looks like he might have been holding on to Aldridge to stabilize himself
• After he makes the pass off on the next play, Mills comes to box him out for the rebound and Harden topples over completely.
• When Danny Green makes the layup on him he once again walks around with a spaced out look on his face.

His balance and proprioception were visibly thrown off. At times here he looks like a boxer that is on the ropes. We have a clear point of reference of a head injury (initial contact from Pau). His outside shot wasn't falling, possibly due to light sensitivity. Even on his drives he didn't go through contact the same way he normally does, instead he passed it off or tried to finish around the defender.


Horford missed a couple of games on nearly an identical foul

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Damn you were serious

Try again. They both shoot nearly the same amount of FT's.

One of them just doesn't shoot that bum *** midrange pull up 2

Ok you got me. And THAT'S why his choke jobs are more impressive

 

[rook]

Lmao I’ve seen it all man. Mans really diagnosing harden with a concussion months later lmaooooo

 

[hardens beard]

1st time seeing Trae Young, he legit.

For the guys who watch college basketball, is he better than Colin Sexton?

 

[BIG FISH]

Yes the reaction and unprecedentedness of it. again I don't care that they did this

You had Lebby create a show out of it and then factor in bosh also joining, it was definitely perceived in a more negative light

Factor in that lebron was supposedly the best player in the game and he's joining a team like that as well

Oh ight I definitely understand that.
I’m the same as you I have no problem with either move.
It’s crazy that people hated The Decision but then applaud KD cause “Bron did it first”

 

[hardens beard]

Damn you were serious



Ok you got me. And THAT'S why his choke jobs are more impressive

Losing as the lower seed is now considered a choke job

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Losing as the lower seed is now considered a choke job

You been working on your troll game. I see you playa

 

[hardens beard]

You been working on your troll game. I see you playa

Trying to get to yo level

 

[Based Jesus]

Completely know what TS percentage is, it's a stupid stat.............. Tony Snell is currently leading the league in TS%

Jason Tatum, Etwuan Moore & Steve Adams are ahead of Guys like Harden in this.........

Jayson is one of the best shooters in the league right now percentage-wise on 50/50/80 shooting and Steven Adams is a center who shoots everything under the rim so of course his TS% is gonna be high. Clint Capela has a crazy high TS% too. You're trying to be cute but it's just making you look silly.

 

[VARNELL HILL]

1st time seeing Trae Young, he legit.

For the guys who watch college basketball, is he better than Colin Sexton?

Yes.

But part of me is saying this because Colin Sexton irks the hell out of me in a Westbrook sort of way.

 

[ill steelo]

Completely know what TS percentage is, it's a stupid stat.............. Tony Snell is currently leading the league in TS%

Jason Tatum, Etwuan Moore & Steve Adams are ahead of Guys like Harden in this.........

Says a shooting stat is stupid.... points to good shooters & guys only taking layups/dunks ranking highly in that stat as proof

Anyway, for the high volume guys, you can (should) also look at Points vs. shots. Efficiency is doing more w/ less and looking at points vs. FGAs paints a clear picture there.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Says a shooting stat is stupid.... points to good shooters & guys only taking layups/dunks ranking highly in that stat as proof

Anyway, for the high volume guys, you can (should) also look at Points vs. shots. Efficiency is doing more w/ less and looking at points vs. FGAs paints a clear picture there.

Point blank man i know how TS% works.... great your ranked higher because you decided to miss more threes instead of two's, or more FTA then two's. In the Case of Harden Vs Westbrook in the playoffs that's not ranking over traditional feildgoal percentage to me. If others wanna use that to make it seem as if both aren't inefficient then they can. In this case it's just a nice number to bolster their argument.

TS% takes into account the kind of shots you take, IDGAF about what kind of shots your taking if your only knocking down 41% Overall. i'm not willing to call someone efficient because they missed better shots

 

[trynafeelmink]

To think i thought i had a great eye test, Not even I could determine concussions via Youtube

 

[ill steelo]

Point blank man i know how TS% works.... great your ranked higher because you decided to miss more threes instead of two's. In the Case of Harden Vs Westbrook in the playoffs that's not ranking over traditional feildgoal percentage to me. If others wanna use that to make it seem as if both aren't inefficient then they can. In this case it's just a nice number to bolster their argument.

TS% takes into account the kind of shots you take, IDGAF about what kind of shots your taking if your only knocking down 41% Overall. i'm not willing to call someone efficient because they missed better shots

So then you don’t understand the literal Webster dictionary definition of “efficient” and you don’t know that 3 is a bigger number than 2

If i give James Harden 19 shots, he will give me 27 points. Westbrook will need to use more possessions to get me the same volume. It’s that simple. Points vs. shots.

 

[Based Jesus]

Player A only takes 3s and shoots 41%
Player B only takes 2s and shoots 41%
Both players take the same amount of shots per game.
One of these players is vastly better than the other one.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

And this is why I said I can't call it rn between young and sexton

 

[wavycrocket]

And this is why I said I can't call it rn between young and sexton

He got almost 30 & 9 against the #3 team in the country.....and there are 12 mins left in the game

Dude is GASSED

 

[trynafeelmink]

Player A only takes 3s and shoots 41%
Player B only takes 2s and shoots 41%
Both players take the same amount of shots per game.
One of these players is vastly better than the other one.

and in this example it's led to a whopping difference of two points per game, my bottom line from the very beginning is that both were inefficient in the playoffs & Harden hasn't been that much more efficient.

Harden's TS% in the playoffs wouldn't be Top 30 in the NBA right now (Amongst players who are over 30 minutes) & top 130 Overall.

One player is being called a cancer who can't lead an offense & one is being called one of the best offensive players ever.....

 

[LebronHasMoreFinalsMVPs]

Mvp in shambles right now

 

[100027]

Well Harden's playoff performances haven't been very good. It doesn't really stand to try and use that to make Russ look better by comparison (also with some pretty miserable playoff performances)

 

[dman14]

harden never even got smacked

 

[friscostylez]

 

[100027]

I mean right now I don't trust Harden or Russ at all against a team like GS in the playoffs. I'll believe it when I see it.