Originally Posted by
abovelegit1
That anxiety stuff is way overblown, as is ridiculous notion that he would fail completely in New York. His issues with it were 4 years ago, around 2006, and since then he has shown he is a top flight starting pitcher in the majors. I don't care if it's Boston or New York, a mid 90s fastball with movement, power slider, and late-breaking curve will play anywhere.
LOL wut. Greinke would have the best stuff out of anyone in that rotation, including C.C and Cliff (provided they sign him). On what planet would Zack Greinke be considered a number 4?except in Kansas City where he's had 1 great year, and 5 mediocre/ terrible years...
And I will take Hughes and Pettitte (especially Pettitte) any day of the week over him.. And I'll take C.C. and Cliff Lee (EASILY) over Greinke..
Selling him like he is Kevin Brown, Javi Vasquez, or Carl Pavano... Oh Wait, those guys were can't miss either..
You sir, have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure you looked at his ERA last year, and came to a few idiotic conclusions, namely that he had a terrible year last year, or that he is somehow an inferior pitcher to Andy Pettitte or Phil Hughes (which is laughable BTW). The fact is that he has been a stud pitcher for 3 consecutive years, and that his performance last season was not close to what his ERA suggests.
His FIP (fielding independent pitching) was 3.34 last season, ahead of the likes of Clay Bucholz, David Price, and yes C.C Sabathia. Not only that, but his calculated Wins above replacement (all inclusive metric that calculates a player's value over a replacement player) was 5.2, above guys like Kershaw, Lincecum, and again Sabathia. I like how you referenced Brown (who was 39 when he came to NY), Vasquez (career NLer who is average anyway), and Pavano (who was constantly hurt) to make your point. So you just go ahead and use your bogus arbitrary analysis to come to your conclusions about a pitcher and i'll use mine.
WHIP up, H/9 up, HR/9 up, BB/9 up, SO/9 down..Earned Runs doubled. ERA doubled...
But let me guess you will blame it on the team right? A 65 win Royals team in 09... to a 67 win Royals team in 10... Who scored a similar amount of runs, within 10 runs that season
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Now did you see C.C. WAR it was 5.2 by the way... Greinke's 2.4.. Pettitte 3.1 (maybe you should double check that).. Or are you talking about 09 when he pitched well.... Even Phil Hughes had a better WAR in 2010...
Stop the god damn crying Greinke so far is a 1 year pitcher..
If you are basing how great he is off one year, I would seriously like you to consider looking at all the other pitchers in the history of baseball who were one year pitchers..
In 2010 Greinke got 2 less games of 0-2 runs than in 2009... 4 more games of 3-5runs... 2 less games of 6+ runs..
In 09 when 3-5 runs 6-3 ... In 2010: 5-6
In 09 when 0-2 runs 3-5 ......In 2010: 1-7
Maybe you can blame the fielding for Kansas City
2009: .981 fielding % T-3rd worst
2010: .980 fielding % 6th worst
Maybe it's their hitting? Nope .016 better... Literally the second highest BA in the majors. 14th best OBP (12 spots better from 09)
Yes it is not Greinke's fault you must understand he's a stud.. Because he's had one great year on a bad team.. When he has a bad year it is the team's fault..
