OFFICIAL NFL Discussion Thread: 2015-16 Season - Congrats to the Denver Broncos and their fans! SB 5

[dmxfury]

Doesn't the fact Drew had more options favor Gronk? Everyone knows Gronk is getting the ball and yet can't be stopped. Numbers don't always tell the story though. See my previous post about Rice vs Irving. However Gronk is the far superior player. I'd bet the defensive players around the league will even agree with that.

Gronk in NE vs Jimmy in NO is a more apples to apples comparison then Rice vs Irving because the type of offense they both run is pass happy. Unlike the run happy offense Dallas ran. I had to throw that Rice Irving thing in there to not sound hypocritical on this Gronk Jimmy debate.

Fryar?

 

[darthska]

[quote name="CP1708"]Wrong about what? It's MY opinion.

There is no right, or wrong. So nothin for me to admit.[/quote]Cannot STAND when people say this.

Yes, there are wrong opinions. Literally thousands. Millions, even.

"It's just my opinion. Can't be wrong."

Yes. Yes it absolutely can be.

 

[the collector]

Fryar?

Mike. Not Irving Jail Bird Fryar. Ha ha ha

 

[SneakerProSr.]

CP totally pulled that "featured" argument out of his ***.

From 2011 to 2014 Jimmy Graham lead the Saints in targets every year, Rob Gronkowski never lead the New England Patriots NOT ONE time in targets in any of those years.

So please elaborate how Gronk was featured more.

From 2011-2014 New Orleans Saints attempted more passes than any team in NFL history except the Detroit Lions. The New Orleans Saints also were a bottom 4 run to pass ratio team during that time frame.

So please elaborate how the New Orleans Saints had a more balanced offense.


Saying Gronk was featured more in New England is your opinion is like me saying in my opinion I'm taller than Dirk.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

But he continues to come back from them and dominate at the highest level.

Gronk is a machine.

He has come back from those injuries and performed at a very high level, but at what price? Logically speaking, there always comes a point where the body just can't "do it anymore" and hits a wall.

I think it would be foolish to believe we can expect this kind of production for the next 5-7 years. I honestly do believe he'll start to slow down within the next few years, and it'll be a sharp drop-off. It always happens to all the great players.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Gronk has caught 65 TDs
Irvin caught 65 TDs

Gronk = Irvin > Rice

For now

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Gronk has caught 65 TDs
Irvin caught 65 TDs

Gronk = Irvin > Rice

For now

That's like saying Kareem > Jordan because he has more points. Stats don't always work that way, man

But, I get where you're going with this.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

But he continues to come back from them and dominate at the highest level.

Gronk is a machine.

He has come back from those injuries and performed at a very high level, but at what price? Logically speaking, there always comes a point where the body just can't "do it anymore" and hits a wall.

I think it would be foolish to believe we can expect this kind of production for the next 5-7 years. I honestly do believe he'll start to slow down within the next few years, and it'll be a sharp drop-off. It always happens to all the great players.

Gronk's production will go down after the Pats add Megatron and Josh Gordon next year.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

But he continues to come back from them and dominate at the highest level.

Gronk is a machine.

He has come back from those injuries and performed at a very high level, but at what price? Logically speaking, there always comes a point where the body just can't "do it anymore" and hits a wall.

I think it would be foolish to believe we can expect this kind of production for the next 5-7 years. I honestly do believe he'll start to slow down within the next few years, and it'll be a sharp drop-off. It always happens to all the great players.

Gronk's production will go down after the Pats add Megatron and Josh Gordon next year.

I had a hate filled response half typed until I saw the username.

 

[CP1708]

[quote name="CP1708"]Wrong about what? It's MY opinion.

There is no right, or wrong. So nothin for me to admit.

Cannot STAND when people say this.

Yes, there are wrong opinions. Literally thousands. Millions, even.

"It's just my opinion. Can't be wrong."

Yes. Yes it absolutely can be.[/quote]

How?

Sports are subjective. And constant.

Every week we read in here (and elsewhere) This guy is great, then the week after nothing, then a week later he's great again.

Hot take after hot take.

And it's every sport. See "Has Steph surpassed Bron?"

Mike Trout GOAT, then Bryce Harper catches fire.......

Every day, week, season, year, the pendulum swings. I try not to ride that wave. I try not to jump player to player week to week.

If that makes me wrong, *shrugs*

 

[the collector]

Gronk has caught 65 TDs
Irvin caught 65 TDs

Gronk = Irvin > Rice

For now

Irvin was being checked by Sanders and the Greens of the world. Totally unfair comparison. Plus Brady > Troy.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Gronk's a much better blocker than Jimmy, also.

we need evidence that jimmy ever blocked anybody.

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

Gronk's a much better blocker than Jimmy, also.

I'll block you.

<3 

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Gronk has caught 65 TDs
Irvin caught 65 TDs

Gronk = Irvin > Rice

For now

Irvin was being checked by Sanders and the Greens of the world. Totally unfair comparison. Plus Brady > Troy.

You ever been checked by a LB, SS, and CB before?

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Gronk has.

 

[rolaholic]

@JosinaAnderson: I’m told former #Colts OC Pep Hamilton has agreed to become the #Browns assistant head coach/ offense.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Gronk's a much better blocker than Jimmy, also.

I'll block you.

 

[the collector]

You ever been checked by a LB, SS, and CB before?

View media item 1771978
Gronk has.

Idk. There isn't one game I can remember where Revis took him on every snap. In any discussion about Mike Irvin one must always account for the fact he played in a run heavy offense. So heavy the RB became the All Time leading rusher.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Idk. There isn't one game I can remember where Revis took him on every snap. In any discussion about Mike Irvin one must always account for the fact he played in a run heavy offense. So heavy the RB became the All Time leading rusher.

Good point.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Does Mike have a book written about him tho?

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[illoquent aka dsk]

Gronk's a much better blocker than Jimmy, also.

I'll block you.

<3 

I'll get Kwadell to beat you up, papi.

LMAO.

It's been a while since Kwadell, man. Got love for ya broski (no ODB). 

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Same, bruh.

I miss the CoD days, I just wanna laugh w/ the homies and call people jugo de basura all da my long,

How've you been, sir?

 

[SneakerProSr.]

You ever been checked by a LB, SS, and CB before?

View media item 1771978
Gronk has.

Idk. There isn't one game I can remember where Revis took him on every snap. In any discussion about Mike Irvin one must always account for the fact he played in a run heavy offense. So heavy the RB became the All Time leading rusher.

That also gave him more one on ones and allowed him to take advantage of play action more.

 

[shatterkneesinc]

Does Mike have a book written about him tho?

View media item 1877470

Did anyone here actually read this book?

 

[Clyde Frog]

Jimmy > Gronk.

Those years Gronk were injured it was always bu bu bu bu but IF Gronk was healthy....

Jimmy gets injured, and he's no better than Witten, Gates, Chico, etc.

Some guys get the benefit of the doubt, some don't. *shrugs*

To be fair the Pats only ever win Super Bowls when Gronk is healthy which was only last year. In 2011 they made it so close until he busted his foot in the AFCC before the Super Bowl vs the Giants.

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

As much as I dislike Gronkowski, he's arguably the best TE in the NFL right now and I'm not sure how his body will hold up through all these injuries he's be having. I know he's not built the same way as most NFL players, but how much punishment can human being take?

I think you also have to consider the severity of the type of injuries Gronk has had the past few years. We're not talking about some sprained ankles or concussions. We're talking about blows to the joints and limbs.

You might be the first person on this board I've seen say they dislike Gronk. 

 Props.

I agree 100%. As much as I hate to say it, I think he's a ticking time bomb.

The reason he dropped in the draft was because of back issues that raised serious red flags. Some medical people were saying it was only a matter of time before it all went to **** and advised teams not to draft him. He's had the back thing pop up here and there (randomly came up on injury report last week), nothing devastating so far though.

I appreciate him while he's still here and being himself because you just never know when his time will be up. I know this applies to every NFL player, but it could literally be over at any snap for dude. 

I just don't think his body will make it to Tony or Antonio's career length.