***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[gry60]

Kaine could not show up for the debate and Pence would still annihilate himself.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/col...-a-man-wrongly-convicted-and-proven-innocent/

A BuzzFeed report, details the sad history of Keith Cooper, who served 10 years of a 40-year sentence after being misidentified. In 2008 shooting victim Michael Kershner and his mother, Nona Canell filmed statements and admitted they were wrong. This came after new DNA evidence was found and a jail informant admitted he lied. Canell asked investigators multiple times to see a lineup of potential suspects because she couldn’t be sure. An Elkhart Police detective promised her that they had “the right guy.” They didn’t.

When the new evidence came to light, a judge in the case offered Cooper a deal if he agreed to be resentenced for the crime. By accepting the deal he was granted “time served” from the 10 years, but still isn’t found by a court to be considered innocent.

Cooper filed a pardon request to the parole board and they unanimously voted that he should be pardoned and have his two felony charges taken off of his criminal record. If Pence granted him clemency, he would be the first person ever in the state’s history to earn it.

Today, Pence refused, saying it needs to stand “out of respect for the judicial process.” This comes after a two-year delay where Pence tried to claim that Cooper’s paperwork wasn’t in order.

That's the latest example of Pence throwing away easy political points towards a demographic the Trump campaign has had trouble reaching.

 

[leavemeglazzies]

The attention whoring Assange be like: "Hey guys, don't forget about me. I've noticed that I'm not talked about as much as I used to be about 5 years ago. I'm a super important person in world history."

 

[wubalubadubdub]

Assange trolled trump supporters like trump trolled the media with the birther issue/hotel coverage.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

I saw all that back & forth about loss of jobs (manufacturing in particular) & trade agreements. I was thinking about it over the last couple of days & one thing I didn't see mentioned was something Jack Welsh (remember him?) called “the dumbest idea in the world.”

In an effort to deal with the pressures of globalization, deregulation, & new technology American companies began almost solely thinking of themselves as a means to create shareholder value to be reflected in current stock price. Their focus turned inward towards making money for the shareholders and the executives as the only goal. Bottom line, bottom line, bottom line became the one & only focus. They basically cannibalized themselves by focusing on quarterly production & stock price. The companies did anything & everything by any means necessary to drive economic results & I think that's where America started seeing "off shoring".

And then China came into the picture... It was a wrap then...

I do think trade agreements had some culpability, but I think the lion's share of the blame can rest solely on American companies for cannibalizing themselves in the name of quarterly performance & stock price...

 

[ninjahood]

The VP debate is today right?
Kaine looks well capable of washing Pence 
All he has to do is hammer Pence on his hatred for the LGBT community, abortion rights, wanting to use HIV funding to sponsor gay conversion therapy, ... Have him looking like a fool on that stage trying to excuse his behavior
Pence is just such a disgusting human being Kaine should win this debate in a landslide

umm u sound like a single issue voter...(that aint from da US no less)

da number 1 issue is Jobs & da economy..

why do u even care bout da Vice president debate? even da collective media is [emoji]128564[/emoji]

 

[RustyShackleford]

If jobs and the economy is the #1 issue, why aren't you listening to all the experts saying Trump's plans are trash.

 

[noskey]

The VP debate is today right?
Kaine looks well capable of washing Pence 
All he has to do is hammer Pence on his hatred for the LGBT community, abortion rights, wanting to use HIV funding to sponsor gay conversion therapy, ... Have him looking like a fool on that stage trying to excuse his behavior
Pence is just such a disgusting human being Kaine should win this debate in a landslide

umm u sound like a single issue voter...(that aint from da US no less)

da number 1 issue is Jobs & da economy..

why do u even care bout da Vice president debate? even da collective media is [emoji]128564[/emoji]

Umm. Maybe #1 to you. Who also sounds like a single issue voter.

And you're sleeping on the VP debate because you don't know **** about politics, you just **** ride Trump.

 

[sundoobie]

Ummmm, you know you kinda played yourself with this famb

First off your run to the Washington Times (which is practically a right wing tabloid), who sources Mr. Pork Jon McCain. Umm, ok.

It took me 20 seconds on Google to find this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/11/bomb-sniffing-elephants/70149110/

Apparently this research shows potential to help war torn countries in Africa, and would probably help the elephant population if it took off. They would not use them like dogs, they would use drones to carry samples to them.

And really 50K is not that much. Seems like something I won't have a problem with the government doing.

I don't think this post will have the deserved effect famb. Like why be outraged at the US government trying to help countries in Africa find landmines using the resources they have?

Maybe you should have looked into this more

Desired effect! Good one.

Kinda figure it would be you out of everyone on NT to actually justify the spending of 50K to train Bomb Sniffing Elephants and YES every Federal program has a goodwill purpose obviously or it wouldn't be funded by taxpayers. 50K isn't MUCH but multiply that by how many other bogus Federal programs? We got people out here in poverty eating cat food and people are cool with these types of programs? Priorities maybe? Well since you got the time... please post these 20 second articles on the following other wasteful Federal programs McCain outlined and let us know if we Taxpayers have the right to be outraged.

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public...-bdddb5c819f6/americas-most-wasted-report.pdf

The National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) awarded a $30,000 grant to the
Sandglass Center for Puppetry and Theater Research to support a series of puppet
shows as part of its so-called “Art Works” grant program, which awards
organizations that create art programs meeting “the highest standards of
excellence.”
17

$49 MILLION OF ARMY NATIONAL GUARD SPENDING ON
PRO SPORTS ADVERTISING INSTEAD OF TRAINING

$14 MILLION FOR DUPLICATIVE CATFISH INSPECTION
OFFICE

$390,798 ON NIH’S DOG BITE PREVENTION WEBSITE

$15,000 FOR EPA TO STUDY POLLUTION FROM YOUR
BACKYARD BBQ

 

[sundoobie]

his hatred for the LGBT community, abortion rights, wanting to use HIV funding to sponsor gay conversion therapy, ..

You do realize a good size of the electoral actually support these stances.

 

[ninjahood]

If jobs and the economy is the #1 issue, why aren't you listening to all the experts saying Trump's plans are trash.

cuz just as many applaud him.

 

[noskey]

If jobs and the economy is the #1 issue, why aren't you listening to all the experts saying Trump's plans are trash.

cuz just as many applaud him.

False.

 

[mgrand15]

You do realize a good size of the electoral actually support these stances.

Then let him go up there on a national stage and defend himself. There's plenty of bigots like ninjahood that are on board with the hate. But let the people with a shred of common sense hear the platform. There's so much nonsense in this election that they might have missed it.

 

[Belgium]

I was messing around today and decided to take a look at Trump's cyber security.

Trump.com is a domain owned by Donald Trump.

In less than 10 minutes, I uncovered information that would allow me access to the LinkedIn profiles of several employees of his firm, including one that is linked to the email address [email protected]

Edit: removed image

Now, I can't be certain that this account actually belongs to Trump himself, but the password is real and it allowed me to sign into (removed) with that email address.

Perhaps da Donald should start improving "the cyber" at his own firm 

 

 

[noskey]

Repped. That's some good investigation. Can only imagine the kind of lulz that could be had, if the info gets into the right hands Be careful tho, not sure Management on here would be too thrilled to see ppl posting that kind of info in the open.

On the other hand, I can't believe Trump's pw is yourefired. Almost too narcissistic

 

[Belgium]

Repped. That's some good investigation. Can only imagine the kind of lulz that could be had, if the info gets into the right hands

Be careful tho, not sure Management on here would be too thrilled to see ppl posting that kind of info in the open.

On the other hand, I can't believe Trump's pw is yourefired. Almost too narcissistic

You can't actually fully access the profile without having access to the email address as you get a "please reset your password to continue" form, which sends a password reset link to the email address. So it's essentially useless at this time.

I can't tell who used the email address [email protected], but I can confirm that "yourefired" is indeed the password that email address is using for (removed) 

 But judging by the reset password form it hasn't been used in recent years.

Either way I have no malicious intent at all but if I can find it, so can other people with not so clean motives.

 

[sundoobie]

Then let him go up there on a national stage and defend himself. There's plenty of bigots like ninjahood that are on board with the hate. But let the people with a shred of common sense hear the platform. There's so much nonsense in this election that they might have missed it.

True and I look forward to see whether Pence sticks to his guns and bring out the bigotry. Also let's see how Kaine can explain his strict Anti-Abortion past and what his stance is NOW considering he campaigned against overturning Roe v Wade in 2012. Kaine also has to explain why he is for TPP, and why he supports bank deregulation. Hopefully these questions are asked tonight.
Pence more or less will be in charge of Governing the US if Trump wins so this debate tonight should be interesting.

 

[RustyShackleford]

If jobs and the economy is the #1 issue, why aren't you listening to all the experts saying Trump's plans are trash.

cuz just as many applaud him.

Bull ****

 

[Belgium]

umm u sound like a single issue voter...(that aint from da US no less)

da number 1 issue is Jobs & da economy..

why do u even care bout da Vice president debate? even da collective media is [emoji]128564[/emoji]

Those are Pence's weak spots, there's no justifiable way of defending those views. If Kaine can exploit them he could potentially sway some voters who don't know much about either candidate and become disgusted at Pence's views.

I'm no "single issues voter", though a single issue can be plenty of reason for me to not support someone. Pence isn't the average I don't agree with homosexuality type, this man would deport all of them out of the country or imprison them if he could.

That's more than enough for someone like me to not give that man any support whatsoever at any point in the future, regardless of what else he says.

For how extreme Pence's views are, the media has been relatively silent on that. I haven't seen much about either VP candidate in the media in general, which is kinda disappointing. In the event that the VP would need to take over the presidency, I think it's important that we learn about them and get an idea of what they stand for. That's why I'll be watching the VP debate tonight. Not to mention I'm sure they have some degree of influence as an advisor to the president in their role. And with the rumors of that Trump Kasich VP deal, if Pence got the same deal then people should know exactly how rotten to the core that man is.

 

[everysingletime]

I once thought Pence would be commiting career suicide going hard for the anti gay stuff, but then I realized that more ppl are against LGBT rights than you think.

Just a couple of weeks ago my best friend surprised me by telling me he was against gay marriage.

 

[gwap]

 

The National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) awarded a $30,000 grant to the
Sandglass Center for Puppetry and Theater Research to support a series of puppet
shows as part of its so-called “Art Works” grant program, which awards
organizations that create art programs meeting “the highest standards of
excellence.”
17

$49 MILLION OF ARMY NATIONAL GUARD SPENDING ON
PRO SPORTS ADVERTISING INSTEAD OF TRAINING

$14 MILLION FOR DUPLICATIVE CATFISH INSPECTION
OFFICE

$390,798 ON NIH’S DOG BITE PREVENTION WEBSITE

$15,000 FOR EPA TO STUDY POLLUTION FROM YOUR
BACKYARD BBQ

1. agency that exists solely to give money to arts programs..... gives money to an arts program

2. military uses extremely popular events to boost recruitment and PR.... 

3. Descrepency between inspection duties by FDA and USDA leads to senate vote on how to handle situation... current purpose is to inspect fish being produced and IMPORTED for the safety of consumers

4.  Inflated costs for for development of website.... more info needed... oversight report needed

5. backyard BBQ pollution cited as cause of increase of toxic particles in air by UC Davis researchers.... the actual effect of this would need more funding

 

[whywesteppin]

I'm dying at the thought of Trump using "yourefired" as his password what an *** clown

edit: not that it's directly pertinent to what you guys are talking about, but I'm always wary of criticisms on specialized funding, especially in science and medicine. sure there is some frivolous research, but when the average person on the street, who doesn't know the difference between an oral and anal cavity, starts questioning why we're wasting money studying immune cells in mice or whatever, i have to ignore them.

I don't know about oversight and how you seek funding in the arts or something, but if it's like grant proposals I've seen, it's fairly well-governed and spending has to be justified.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Ummmm, you know you kinda played yourself with this famb

First off your run to the Washington Times (which is practically a right wing tabloid), who sources Mr. Pork Jon McCain. Umm, ok.

It took me 20 seconds on Google to find this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/11/bomb-sniffing-elephants/70149110/

Apparently this research shows potential to help war torn countries in Africa, and would probably help the elephant population if it took off. They would not use them like dogs, they would use drones to carry samples to them.

And really 50K is not that much. Seems like something I won't have a problem with the government doing.

I don't think this post will have the deserved effect famb. Like why be outraged at the US government trying to help countries in Africa find landmines using the resources they have?

Maybe you should have looked into this more

Desired effect! Good one.

Kinda figure it would be you out of everyone on NT to actually justify the spending of 50K to train Bomb Sniffing Elephants and YES every Federal program has a goodwill purpose obviously or it wouldn't be funded by taxpayers. 50K isn't MUCH but multiply that by how many other bogus Federal programs? We got people out here in poverty eating cat food and people are cool with these types of programs? Priorities maybe? Well since you got the time... please post these 20 second articles on the following other wasteful Federal programs McCain outlined and let us know if we Taxpayers have the right to be outraged.

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public...-bdddb5c819f6/americas-most-wasted-report.pdf

The National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) awarded a $30,000 grant to the
Sandglass Center for Puppetry and Theater Research to support a series of puppet
shows as part of its so-called “Art Works” grant program, which awards
organizations that create art programs meeting “the highest standards of
excellence.”
17

$49 MILLION OF ARMY NATIONAL GUARD SPENDING ON
PRO SPORTS ADVERTISING INSTEAD OF TRAINING

$14 MILLION FOR DUPLICATIVE CATFISH INSPECTION
OFFICE

$390,798 ON NIH’S DOG BITE PREVENTION WEBSITE

$15,000 FOR EPA TO STUDY POLLUTION FROM YOUR
BACKYARD BBQ

-How about you read the USA Today article first off, because your entire argument just seems to be red herrings. Your entire argument is bomb sniffing elephants sounds ridiculous, so let us take that at face value without an ounce of research.Bomb sniffing mice sound ridiculous too, by yeah they work, and by all accounts have worked well. But let's get outraged over a headline. Yeah ok

-Then you take 50K (don't prove it is wasteful just assume it) and multiply it by "all these wasteful government" government programs (which you have no way of quantifying) and think that is proof of your point. When really it isn't even good evidence.

Let us say we do that? Let us say there are 100,000 "wasteful" programs just like this. You know how much cost in tax dollars?What, 5 billion. Yet you excuse Trump's 915 million like it was nothing and downplayed 17 billion when it came to the IRS being underfunded. Money only seems to matter when it fits your argument.

The you throw out another priorities red herring. Like anyone is arguing that research grants should be prioritized over social welfare programs. If you can predict my actions so much, you really think I would argue that is a good idea. But that's find, it since you want to take me on this low key bonus guilt trip, i feel ok shooting your messenger. (which I will do in about 20 seconds)

I'm not denying there is wasteful government spending, NOT AT ALL, I just pointed out your post was silly. Which it was, for many reasons. And you just listing more **** like that is silly. Because government there is so many things, wasteful and necessary that are spent out of a government grant.

And the fact of the matter, tons of researchers rely on government grants to fund things the private sector won't. Because they don't see a money making opportunity

------But using Jon McCain is interesting especially when speaking to me about priorities, about feeding the poor. Isn't Jon McCain the same dude that supports cut after cut to things like TANF and food stamps every chance he gets?. Yet will want the United States to engage in any and every foreign conflict they can. He wants us to go to Iraq, stay there after it becomes a cluster****, we have to go fight ISIS overseas, Iran is a constant threat, and we should have went to Ukraine to check Putin. Waging war is probably the most wasteful things the government does, and McCain is always for it.

And this is the man that is going to lecture people on wasteful spending!? And this is the man that wants America to get its priorities straight because it uses some of its budget for research.

I mean god forbid the Federal government gives money to researches, research that might lead to products that help the nation in the future. Not like that has ever worked out for the public's benefit. Not like something like those programs could lead to something as important as the modern internet getting inve............oh yeah, yeah, it did.

Funny how some of these smaller research grants work sometimes.

 

[ninjahood]

If jobs and the economy is the #1 issue, why aren't you listening to all the experts saying Trump's plans are trash.

cuz just as many applaud him.

Bull ****

says da partisan

 

[RustyShackleford]

If jobs and the economy is the #1 issue, why aren't you listening to all the experts saying Trump's plans are trash.

cuz just as many applaud him.

Bull ****

says da partisan

It is fact.

Show me all these credible economists saying Trumps plans would be great.

Especially the ones backing up Trump's claim that it won't drive up the deficit.

I'll wait

 

[sundoobie]

-How about you read the USA Today article first off, because your entire argument just seems to be red herrings. Your entire argument is bomb sniffing elephants sounds ridiculous, so let us take that at face value without an ounce of research.Bomb sniffing mice sound ridiculous too, by yeah they work, and by all accounts have worked well. But let's get outraged over a headline. Yeah ok

-Then you take 50K (don't prove it is wasteful just assume it) and multiply it by "all these wasteful government" government programs (which you have no way of quantifying) and think that is proof of your point. When really it isn't even good evidence.

Let us say we do that? Let us say there are 100,000 "wasteful" programs just like this. You know how much cost in tax dollars?What, 5 billion. Yet you excuse Trump's 915 million like it was nothing and downplayed 17 billion when it came to the IRS being underfunded. Money only seems to matter when it fits your argument.

The you throw out another priorities red herring. Like anyone is arguing that research grants should be prioritized over social welfare programs. If you can predict my actions so much, you really think I would argue that is a good idea. But that's find, it since you want to take me on this low key bonus guilt trip, i feel ok shooting your messenger. (which I will do in about 20 seconds)

I'm not denying there is wasteful government spending, NOT AT ALL, I just pointed out your post was silly. Which it was, for many reasons. And you just listing more **** like that is silly. Because government there is so many things, wasteful and necessary that are spent out of a government grant.

And the fact of the matter, tons of researchers rely on government grants to fund things the private sector won't. Because they don't see a money making opportunity

------But using Jon McCain is interesting especially when speaking to me about priorities, about feeding the poor. Isn't Jon McCain the same dude that supports cut after cut to things like TANF and food stamps every chance he gets?. Yet will want the United States to engage in any and every foreign conflict they can. He wants us to go to Iraq, stay there after it becomes a cluster****, we have to go fight ISIS overseas, Iran is a constant threat, and we should have went to Ukraine to check Putin. Waging war is probably the most wasteful things the government does, and McCain is always for it.

And this is the man that is going to lecture people on wasteful spending!? And this is the man that wants America to get its priorities straight because it uses some of its budget for research.

I mean god forbid the Federal government gives money to researches, research that might lead to products that help the nation in the future. Not like that has ever worked out for the public's benefit. Not like something like those programs could lead to something as important as the modern internet getting inve............oh yeah, yeah, it did.

Funny how some of these smaller research grants work sometimes.

Yeah small research grants like my boy whom just got a 5k Federal Grant to produce music solely cause of his Native American ancestry. He bought all this DJ equipment and got reimbursed... guess where he's using this tax funded equipment at? At the Strip Club where he has a gig at...

Waging war is probably the most wasteful things the government does

Isn't this where Hillary fits in?