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Man that bailout money sure was worth it huh Texas?
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Man that bailout money sure was worth it huh Texas?
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Right in line with Holocaust deniers and 9/11 truthers. Soon, they'll tell us it never happened and those guys were crisis actors.
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Hard to believe that the republicans being censured for voting against trump are surprised. It’s like they actually thought the party they supported cared about doing what was right. They couldn’t have been that stupid
Also, hard to figure out how many firearms were there that day since they let the criminals walk right out the door and go home.
Also, hard to figure out how many firearms were there that day since they let the criminals walk right out the door and go home.
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yobyellav
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They need supporting evidence for history books they’re gonna start printing over the next decade.
Slaves became indentured servants.
An insurrection incited by the sitting potus will become a sit in with the intent to fight for fair elections.
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The thing is, I think this is wrong. There is no do-nothing progressive consensus in the state. Plus the state's policies don't get passed with a marginal progressive vote.
The way you frame the situation that there are a group of progressive runnings the state, that can do whatever they want, and all agree to pass certain programs, and unify in killings others. No offense, but that doesn't seem to line up with observable reality. Seems like you are tagging too many people, people and politicians, with the progressive tag to make that argument work. Like the main representation of progressivism in the state are most half stepping affluent white NIMBYs. I don't think progressives in Cali are that monolithic, and you and Klein lose me when the argument relies on this assumption.
There are frictions within Cali's left-wing coalition that allows some of the progressive agenda to an enacted, and others killed. This has been the case since forever, and the case everywhere. I hate it too, but I think people can take this sentiment too far and start acting like everyone is somehow ok with this state of affairs.
Klein pretty much concedes these points...
I think the strongest part of his argument, that too many people will support progressive policy when it is free. They don't want to sacrifice anything. And voters, especially those with connections, and force politicians to their side, often with a Bizzaro progressive argument. In Cali, it is environmental protection.
Let me just say I am not defending the ****** half-stepping so-called liberals and self-identified progressives that will run their mouth all day but with run away when they have to sacrifice anything to help the people they claim to be allied with. The fact that these people are often affluent white people is no surprise because that has been the case since forever. **** them, **** them for life.
I think the problem I am having is that these people (or the centrist in state governments) should not be the only representation of progressivism. That is the same rhetorical sleight of hand conservatives like to do. The problems with power being decentralized should not be handwaved, neither should be the frictions within Cali's left-wing coalition.
I think progressivism failure in Cali look bad because they say to the world "progressive say they can solve big problems and overcome the obstacles" but they fail to overcome the obstacles in California when things get hard. Look how they can't even get everyone that says they are progressive to move forward on these core issues (however, again I don't this is unique to Cali). And not "Progressivism is fake, they are lying about wanting to fix these issues", sure some are, but again, I don't think there is a consensus.
-Finally, California is not some uniquely mismanaged state because of progressivism. Some stuff does get done beyond the performative stuff that Klein pointing to like BLM signs and school renaming. I think Klein went overboard in implying that hardly anything "progressive" gets done. Dayen is pointing out that while it is popular for people on the left to **** on Cali, remember that the left helped save the state from financial collapse. Klein adjusted his criticism of Cali in his thread given what Dayen said to a better argument.
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Breaking News: the GOP just announced that they are running Donald Trump in all republican senate primaries in 2022.
The party announced that thanks to a new partnership with the makers of Dolly the sheep, they will be able to sequence the DNA of the twice impeached former US president just in time to produce enough clones of the estimed leader to compete against all the RINOs who did not object to the certification of the election results on Jan 6th.
The party plans to commercialize clones of Dear Leader in the near future, and the news has been received enthusiastically by the MAGA army; one unnamed supporter (MTG) hopes that the wide availability of the clones will thwart the sudden rise in sexual assaults of cardboard cutouts of the twice impeached president.
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good guy....Tom Cotton?
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I wanna read this **** before I give him credit
Cotton is a massive white nationalist, so I want to see what ******* he slipped in there while Mittens was in the bathroom.
Cotton is a massive white nationalist, so I want to see what ******* he slipped in there while Mittens was in the bathroom.
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Texas: **** the Feds, we have out own grid.
***BAD WEATHER***
Also Texas: FEMA HELP!!!!!!
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$8 minimum wage + abolish USCIS.
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Sounds like a white supremacist poison pill is coming.
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Quite the dilemma for republicans. Do we keep out illegal immigrants and admit that they're the real reason we can keep prices down and profits up (not minimum wage)?
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I don't think it relies on that assumption.
Progressives have significant influence in the california state politics. and i think it's instructive where they bring that power to bare.
you can correct me if i'm wrong but it's not like progressive groups are pushing for reforms on housing or school segregation and are being stymied by other parts of the political coalition.
and it's not like the most progressive state reps are the biggest yimbys.
Scott Wiener had agressive housing legislation right,
and he got primaried by a DSA candidate and the sunrise movement endorsed his challenger.
and local progressive housing orgs opposed it.
so i don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that many of those so called progressives people are simply fake.
I remember listening to a podcast with someone from a california progressive housing justice organization.
She was arguing that development isn't going to solve our housing problem, we need to look into alternative forms of housing like...tiny houses.
tiny houses, as if she was totally unaware we have the ability to stack normal sized houses on top of each other.
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So basically they’re saying is they’re blaming Joe Biden because he won the election, the same election who majority Black people voted for Biden.....are they low key trying to blame it on black people?!?
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I can't really make too much fun of the situation in TX because nobody would think about using artic weather turbines and gas pipes in the middle of the desert, and they're still connected to the rest of the US (and from what I read, the Mexican grid).
The thing is, with a better integration with the other two grids, they would have been able to take advantage of the excess power generated in other parts of the US to respond to the shortfall in supply created by the sudden failure of their generators. Would've been expensive, but I doubt it would have cost as much as this:
Texas Freeze Raises Cost Of Charging A Tesla To $900 | OilPrice.com
The electricity shortage in Texas amid the cold snap has sent spot electricity prices soaring so much that the surge in power prices equals a cost of $900 for charging a Tesla
www.google.com
Another failure due to the shortsightedness from conservative freedom lovers I guess.
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Low key?
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You answered your own question famb.I don't think it relies on that assumption.
Progressives have significant influence in the california state politics. and i think it's instructive where they bring that power to bare.
you can correct me if i'm wrong but it's not like progressive groups are pushing for reforms on housing or school segregation and are being stymied by other parts of the political coalition.
and it's not like the most progressive state reps are the biggest yimbys.
Scott Wiener had agressive housing legislation right,
and he got primaried by a DSA candidate and the sunrise movement endorsed his challenger.
and local progressive housing orgs opposed it.
so i don't think it's reasonable to conclude that many of those so called progressives people are simply fake.
I remember listening to a podcast with someone from a california progressive housing justice organization.
She was arguing that development isn't going to solve our housing problem, we need to look into alternative forms of housing like...tiny houses.
tiny houses, as if she was totally unaware we have the ability to stack normal sized houses on top of each other.
Like look at your example, it implies Scott Wiener is not a "progressive", when on aggregate most people would consider him one.
I never know who you are referring to when you say progressive.
Is a progressive all Dems? Or are the DSA aligned left? Are they rich affluent liberals in San Fran?
If you say that progressives don't pass policy to address housing, then implicit in that is the marginal more centrist votes in the California government are "progressives" as well.
That is why I am saying there are frictions. YIMBYISM, Affluent Liberal/Centrist NIMBYISM, and fart left NIMBYISM are all present in the left-wing coalition in Cali.. That And they have veto power to undermine efforts if it doesn't happen on their terms. Like how can a progressive consensus be criticized, when there isn't one.
Klein seemed to be talking about one specific group yet presented them as the totality of progressivism
But listen, I am in total agreement about the nonsense that many on the far left peddle has to go too. ************* so caught up in "fighting" the establishment that they rationalize enforcing the status quo as progress. At some point, these people have to realize they are part of the establishment and their job is to do things better than those in the past. Not to find new reasons to get nothing done on an issue. In practice they are being just as ****** as the rich liberal NIMBYISM they profess to hate so much. They fail low-income people and minority groups in their own way.
Even with zoning reform and building more units, low-income people will still need protections and subsidies to avoid displacement and homelessness. Demand these protections as part of the deal. Focus on that. Because it will make more sense to argue "let us not just rely on market economics to fix everything". as opposed to killing stuff because it doesn't fit some narrow definition.
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Survey: More than a quarter of white evangelicals believe core QAnon conspiracy theory
There was also significant support among white evangelicals for the claim that members of antifa, or anti-fascist activists, were ‘mostly responsible’ for the attack on the U.S. Capitol, according to the survey conducted by the conservative American Enterprise Institute.
(RNS) — A new survey reports more than a quarter of white evangelical Protestants believe a QAnon conspiracy theory that purports former President Donald Trump is secretly battling a cabal of pedophile Democrats, and roughly half express support for the debunked claim that antifa was responsible for the recent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.
Experts say the data point to a widening ideological divide not only between white evangelicals and other religious groups in the country, but also between white evangelical Republicans and other members of their own party.
The survey, which was conducted by the conservative American Enterprise Institute, reported 29% of Republicans and 27% of white evangelicals — the most of any religious group — believe the widely debunked QAnon conspiracy theory is completely or mostly accurate. QAnon has infiltrated other faiths as well, with 15% of white mainline Protestants, 18% of white Catholics, 12% of non-Christians, 11% of Hispanic Catholics and 7% of Black Protestants saying they believe it.
In addition, large subsets of each group — ranging from 37% of non-Christians to 50% of Hispanic Catholics — said they “weren’t sure” whether the theory was true.
religionnews.com
There was also significant support among white evangelicals for the claim that members of antifa, or anti-fascist activists, were ‘mostly responsible’ for the attack on the U.S. Capitol, according to the survey conducted by the conservative American Enterprise Institute.
(RNS) — A new survey reports more than a quarter of white evangelical Protestants believe a QAnon conspiracy theory that purports former President Donald Trump is secretly battling a cabal of pedophile Democrats, and roughly half express support for the debunked claim that antifa was responsible for the recent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.
Experts say the data point to a widening ideological divide not only between white evangelicals and other religious groups in the country, but also between white evangelical Republicans and other members of their own party.
The survey, which was conducted by the conservative American Enterprise Institute, reported 29% of Republicans and 27% of white evangelicals — the most of any religious group — believe the widely debunked QAnon conspiracy theory is completely or mostly accurate. QAnon has infiltrated other faiths as well, with 15% of white mainline Protestants, 18% of white Catholics, 12% of non-Christians, 11% of Hispanic Catholics and 7% of Black Protestants saying they believe it.
In addition, large subsets of each group — ranging from 37% of non-Christians to 50% of Hispanic Catholics — said they “weren’t sure” whether the theory was true.
Survey: More than a quarter of white evangelicals believe core QAnon conspiracy theory
(RNS) — There was also significant support among white evangelicals for the claim that members of antifa, or anti-fascist activists, were ‘mostly responsible’ for the attack on the U.S. Capitol, according to the survey conducted by the conservative American Enterprise Institute.
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