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I wasn't able to watch the debate so I'm reading that NPR link transcript/fact check...jesus christ the deflections by Trump are amazing. Discipline to be a good leader? Talks about Benghazi. New Supreme Court Justice? Talks about the Clintons' income/donations.

Lot of complaining and whining too based off the transcript.
 
I love the conjecture about Clinton buying off the media. When nearly all the stories reported on Trump have been fact, so many other sources not on any of those documents have ran Trump a fade, and it was a damb audio tape of him that brought him down.

Secondly, Trump hires the head of Breitbart to run his campaign, Sean Hannity is a surrogate of his, and Russian hackers/wikileaks have been actively trying to help him.

But yeah, it is the media that is out to get him :lol
 
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I love the conjecture about Clinton buying off the media. When nearly all the stories reported on Trump have been fact, so many other sources not on any of those documents have ran Trump a fade, and it was a damb audio tape of him that brought him down.

Secondly, Trump hires the head of Breitbart to run his campaign, Sean Hannity is a surrogate of his, and Russian hackers/wikileaks have been actively trying to help him.
Don't forget, Trump routinely gets advised by Roger Ailes. Fitting considering they both are proponents of sexual harassment/assault. 
 
The media money endorsement thing is a non issue. Money well spent.

I consider anything that keeps that guy from becoming the leader of the free world a sound investment in preventing the apocalypse. :lol
 
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My thoughts on the debate, and this relates to people who watched the debate not being 100% sure who they would vote for or if they would vote:

- Body language: Overall, Trump looked like a buffoon. The way he awkwardly loomed behind Hillary when she was speaking, the way he kept fidgeting when trying to stand in place, the constant interruptions that were cringeworthy to watch, attacking the moderators, and the nervous breakdown 15 minutes into the debate -- those are going to resonate with voters and will confirm to people on the sidelines that Trump is who we thought he was. As for Hillary, and I hate this type of criticism but I will point it out, is she smiled at the wrong times. It worked perfectly in the first debate, because it was a nice counter to Trump's lunatic ramblings. But this debate was more somber and the environment was more tense, and it would've played off better with some people if she stayed serious throughout.

- The absurd statements: In this one debate, Trump managed to say half a dozen things that, each on their own, would destroy a normal campaign. And, for people in the middle paying attention, they must have come across as tremendously bizarre. Some examples: saying not only does he disagree with Pence but that they don't talk, saying he will have Hillary arrested if he becomes president, questioning Hillary for not investing tens of millions into her own campaign (basically saying that only the super-rich should run for president), doubling down on the birther thing, going after Bill Clinton, and ineffectively ascribing his leaked video to "locker room talk."

- Hillary misfires: She had many opportunities to nail some responses but fumbled a few times. There was plenty of stuff to rebut about Trump, but sometimes she would go off on a tangent so that she could talk about herself or her policies. But overall if people were looking for deep understanding of policy and details, she allowed that to shine through many times. People may not agree with her specific policies, but I think they will appreciate her command of these subjects. Especially in contrast to Trump, who on a number of occasions made it clear he has a poor grasp on most issues.

All together, Trump did better than we expected, but I think we were expecting him to jump off a bridge after 10 minutes. Given the current situation of the race, he would've had to have the greatest performance ever while Hillary imploded to make this a competitive race again. Instead, he only reinforced his public image and removed any chance that people will give him the benefit of the doubt on his business failures, his taxes, his knowledge of foreign affairs, his understanding of minorities, his treatment of women, etc. So maybe he won a couple moments but he lost this election over this past weekend.


edit: to go along with what I said about Hillary smiling, I just saw this opinion piece on the NYT that says it much better:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-trump-second-debate-election-2016/dont-smile

Hillary Clinton is running against a man who threatens to use presidential power to put her in jail. A man who brags about committing sexual assault, openly admits to not paying taxes, and tenaciously supports the kleptocrat Vladimir Putin.

And yet, every time Trump lied, made a threat, or loomed behind her in a menacing way in the debate last night, she smiled. Her eyes widened with incredulity, they crinkled, and she grinned. What people saw, though, wasn’t amusement. It was sarcasm and contempt. That smile had some gotcha in it, and a hint of fear. It felt fake, and I’m sure it made people distrust her.

She should not be smiling. None of us should. We are facing the abyss.

I know all the arguments about the double standard for women, how if you don’t smile, you come off as grim, *****y, mean. All women have been trapped in that bind, that damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t, for most of our lives. Maybe the smile is automatic, a tic.

She needs to quash it. To fire the media trainers who tell her to be relatable. To stop trying to be likable. We need her to be serious. Neither Tim Kaine nor Mike Pence smiled during their debate. Trump did nothing but scowl, and everyone says he did better than expected. I don’t believe Angela Merkel would smile on that stage, or Theresa May, or Nicola Sturgeon.

A good leader channels her followers’ emotions; she doesn’t try to ingratiate herself with them. It seems clear to me that Clinton will be a good, maybe even a great, leader. But first, she needs to show us that she understands the gravity of the situation. She needs to help us bear our anxiety. Someone has to tell her: Don’t smile.
 
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I'm rather curious why Hillary's campaign didn't help her prepare a response to the tax loop hole chubby aka male sarah palin used & then pivoted about last night. She was a key member in getting voting for & closing that loop hole... I thought that was a big missed opportunity.

An interesting read on the what chubby aka male sarah palin & the gop have talked about doing with healthcare...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/u...health-insurance-across-state-lines.html?_r=0
 
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Hillary's on point with arming the Kurds though,Erdogan be damned :lol. One of the rare foreign policy proposals of hers I agree with

Doubt Trump even knows what the Peshmerga is
(quoting from stuff earlier in this thread)

That was a fairly big moment actually. Of all the things said yesterday, this could quite possibly have the biggest repercussions for our foreign policy and the Middle East.

The fact that Trump didn't even attempt to say something about it just shows how little he knows or understands about the world.

Trump the Chump.
 
Secondly, Trump hires the head of Breitbart to run his campaign, Sean Hannity is a surrogate of his, and Russian hackers/wikileaks have been actively trying to help him.

But yeah, it is the media that is out to get him :lol

these people are declared and open about their bias... where's da declarations from da
left? 8o why we gotta know from email hacks CNN is IN FACT da Clinton News Network bought & paid for? 8o
 
I'm rather curious why Hillary's campaign didn't help her prepare a response to the tax loop hole chubby aka male sarah palin used & then pivoted about last night. She was a key member in getting voting for & closing that loop hole... I thought that was a big missed opportunity.

An interesting read on the what chubby aka male sarah palin & the gop have talked about doing with healthcare...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/u...health-insurance-across-state-lines.html?_r=0

how many times is da NYTimes on that paid Clinton list? 8o
 
Stupid is, as stupid does... Like several times before, amazing but not surprising how uninformed or ill-informed people talk about things they don't understand...

For the sake of it though, I'll respond to the idiocy from someone who lives at home with moms...

The National Interest was founded by neocons... Here's a post of them talking about the very same thing mentioned in the NYT link...

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/russias-avoiding-its-isis-problems-not-solving-them-17554

Ironic the ignorance flows from the top (their candidate) down to his idiot/deplorable base...

The dumb*ssery in here is at least comical...
 
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Colluding with media outlets is deplorable but at the end of the day it doesn't even come close to da Donald's toxic campaign and the potential (or perhaps guaranteed) catastrophe of a Trump presidency.

Either way, if you know a media outlet is biased it's not hard to identify the opinionating, look at the facts and make up your own mind.

Again, if you need the media to tell you your conclusion you already lost.

Bias doesn't entirely negate the validity of reporting. MSM can't make completely make something up out of thin air without a shred of valid basis and get away with it. So simply identify the possible opinionating, exaggerations, check the facts and make up your own mind.
 
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Media collusion has been going on for a looooooooong time... Unfortunately it's resulted in some biased & sometimes inaccurate reporting (like we've seen on fox) & some unsavory business practices (the murdochs, rebekah brooks, & les hinton).

It is what it is... If one is well read, you'll always find accurate reporting...
 
Secondly, Trump hires the head of Breitbart to run his campaign, Sean Hannity is a surrogate of his, and Russian hackers/wikileaks have been actively trying to help him.

But yeah, it is the media that is out to get him :lol

these people are declared and open about their bias... where's da declarations from da
left? 8o why we gotta know from email hacks CNN is IN FACT da Clinton News Network bought & paid for? 8o

There you go again

The link your fellow Trump lover posted it says that certain journalist have to report on Clinton, it is there job, and because they have to deliver content it would be better if the campaign tried to fill that void with something positive because if they don't, the reporters might fill it with stuff that might hurt the campaign. And some are from before Trump even entered the race

They read like strategy and marketing documents.

And to that so many foreign magazines, conservative magazines, and other publications that try to say bipartisan have been going at your Frot Papi and you still want to act like it is a conspiracy.

You sounding desperate B
 
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:rollin

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I love how people that were coming at Hillary's neck, and bigging up Bernie, during the primaries are on the list. :lol

Yeah, she paid them to do that.
 
Debate was hilarious.   

It was an epic battle between fear mongering and virtue signalling.

My fav part of the entire show was Bill Clintons face when trump went in on him. 

What I found funny was that hillary claims trumps words about islam and immigration are dangerous....AND THEN the silly tart decides to start dissing the Russians and Putin.

How can you people not see where this is going? 

I dont care who trump offends on a PC level if she is looking to kick it off with Russia.

She said lets arm more random people to fight Russia for us.....like that hasnt backfired over and over again.

She wants a pipeline across syria, she cares not for any of them.

Bruh... vote hillary for more of the same.

Watch how police brutality gets worse as the country gets stretched from war too.
 
Debate was hilarious.   
It was an epic battle between fear mongering and virtue signalling.
My fav part of the entire show was Bill Clintons face when trump went in on him. 

What I found funny was that hillary claims trumps words about islam and immigration are dangerous....AND THEN the silly tart decides to start dissing the Russians and Putin.
How can you people not see where this is going? 

I dont care who trump offends on a PC level if she is looking to kick it off with Russia.
She said lets arm more random people to fight Russia for us.....like that hasnt backfired over and over again.
She wants a pipeline across syria, she cares not for any of them.
Bruh... vote hillary for more of the same.
Watch how police brutality gets worse as the country gets stretched from war too.

Your girl's parents are probably shaking their head and this rambling nonsense
 
^ I found it bizarre that he said syria & russia are both "killing isis" when in fact they have done very little against any militants & in fact steered clear of them... Yet another lie he perpetuated...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...rees-with-pence-on-syria-says-aleppo-is-gone/
Assad is laughing in his grave right now and thanking his gods that Trump the Chump is supporting him on a national stage.

Funny how Trump the Chump hates Iran so much and any attempts to work with Iran but at the same time is all-in with Assad.

Wonder if Trump the Chump even knows about the relationship between the two.
 
whywesteppin whywesteppin - every time he opens his mouth, he confirms he knows nothing about what he's actually talking about. Typical of a lying salesman... His people have given him some talking points & he just runs with it. I'm in utter amazement that people accept this.




House Speaker Paul Ryan told fellow Republicans Monday he will no longer defend GOP nominee Donald Trump and will instead use the next 29 days to focus on preserving his party's hold on Congress.

"The speaker is going to spend the next month focused entirely on protecting our congressional majorities," Ryan's spokeswoman, AshLee Strong, said in a statement.
In a conference call with members Monday morning, Ryan told members "you all need to do what's best for you and your district," according to someone who listened to the meeting.
Ryan did not say Monday whether he was reversing his endorsement of Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/10/polit...-wont-defend-donald-trump/index.html?adkey=bn
 
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The fact that Trump would be dissing foreign countries on a seeming whim, especially with Russia, who he seemed so buddy buddy with does not bode well for international relations with him as president.

No one would trust us :lol I mean I'm sure there are countries out there that don't trust us already, but I'm saying... No. One. Would trust us. :lol


I would've had more respect for him if he refused to bad mouth Putin to serve his agenda. It would've shown loyalty. Ill founded loyalty on his part, but loyalty nonetheless. Instead he perpetuated what we already know about him. Doesn't matter if he likes you, you going down if it's between you and him.
 
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Debate was hilarious.   
It was an epic battle between fear mongering and virtue signalling.
My fav part of the entire show was Bill Clintons face when trump went in on him. 

What I found funny was that hillary claims trumps words about islam and immigration are dangerous....AND THEN the silly tart decides to start dissing the Russians and Putin.
How can you people not see where this is going? 

I dont care who trump offends on a PC level if she is looking to kick it off with Russia.
She said lets arm more random people to fight Russia for us.....like that hasnt backfired over and over again.
She wants a pipeline across syria, she cares not for any of them.
Bruh... vote hillary for more of the same.
Watch how police brutality gets worse as the country gets stretched from war too.
So are we supposed to show strength on the international stage or are we supposed to compromise our values?

I don't know about you specifically, but a big theme among Trump and his supporters is that we need to show more strength internationally to gain the respect of the world (which is of course debatable), but at the same time we should avoid confronting Russia, Syria, and others because it is dangerous. And on one hand Trump the Chump keeps saying we'll defeat ISIS but his strategy is to hope that Syria (with a known history of supporting terrorists covertly so that they can trick the stupid into supporting Assad) and Russia (with a known history of assassinations, threats, and political self-interest) will magically do the right thing. All the while ignoring or rejecting any cooperation with Iran or the Kurds, who may strategically be better allies, under the pretense that cooperation with them is dangerous because of Russia and Turkey.

How bizarre.
 
whywesteppin whywesteppin - every time he opens his mouth, he confirms he knows nothing about what he's actually talking about. Typical of a lying salesman... His people have given him some talking points & he just runs with it. I'm in utter amazement that people accept this.




House Speaker Paul Ryan told fellow Republicans Monday he will no longer defend GOP nominee Donald Trump and will instead use the next 29 days to focus on preserving his party's hold on Congress.

"The speaker is going to spend the next month focused entirely on protecting our congressional majorities," Ryan's spokeswoman, AshLee Strong, said in a statement.
In a conference call with members Monday morning, Ryan told members "you all need to do what's best for you and your district," according to someone who listened to the meeting.
Ryan did not say Monday whether he was reversing his endorsement of Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/10/polit...-wont-defend-donald-trump/index.html?adkey=bn

TURN THIS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dedicate this one to Trump the Chump, our favorite loser of all time!



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Honestly trump is a savage for all the theatrics he pulled yesterday, the guy brought Rape accusers with him to a National Presidential debate.

All of the bullying up there, I honestly thought Trump was going to swing at her at one point. He said Hillary is full of Hatred, clearly he was the one saying vile things and bringing up dirty laundry instead of actual policy.

Yes there are things I don't like Hillary, but there is no denying she has the most experience and the best qualified candidate.

I don't know how people can support Trump. He has no policies, all he says is he will be the best and fix everything fast. How?

Trump is a great entertainer, but I would seriously be worrisome with him in office, I can't imagine how bad things would be.

How can you have a Presidential Nominee making such derogatory remarks about Mexicans, Chinese, Muslims, women, and others?

Trump supporters say, "All you can say is Trump is racist" ,
 
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