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You guys just wait and pounce on dissenters as soon as they appear. :lol

Honest question, do y'all even care about this e-mail stuff?
I have some time to kill so I'll give you an honest answer.

I kind of care. I care in that Hillary should have been more careful and that she should have gone out of her way to separate out any potential conflicts of interest while in office. And I typically believe that the more information, the better. So I like leaks in the sense that they give me more information about how the government works and how individuals act.

That said, I only care a little for a few reasons. One is that this has dragged on for a while and has the smell of the boy who cried wolf. Whether it's Bill, Hillary, Obama, even Bush... There's always this out-of-proportion media rush on any little transgression. And sometimes there is substance to it. But we've been through so many investigations and discussions about emails, so many leaks of personal emails that really the public has no business trying to digest, so many doomsday scenarios, but, when the smoke clears, we've never seen any major fire behind it. There's nothing like watergate in terms of magnitude. Instead we have some political dealings that are commonplace but that people unfamiliar with DC or in denial go crazy over.

Now looking at this election I see a very easy choice. I'll be clear -- I dislike Trump as a human being. But I'm trying really hard not to let that be the reason I don't vote for him since I ask that people who don't like Hillary as a person don't make that the reason they vote against her. What I see instead as the clear reasons to vote for Hillary over Trump are fairly simple and it doesn't come down to any specific policy or single issue, it doesn't come down to political ideology, it doesn't come down to any of that. For the first time in my life, I see a clear difference in how the two candidates approach life. How they approach humanity. How they approach challenges and dissenters. And for the first time I see a candidate who is publicly -- not just privately -- calling for and instigating the worst of America. And to me that is unacceptable. To me that trumps whether I think someone's tax plan will be better for the economy, or whether their foreign policy will lead to a safer US and a better world, or how many backroom deals they make. The reason is because it threatens what it means to be America in dangerous ways.

It just so happens that I agree with Hillary on a lot more policy issues than with Trump. I also hate how unprepared and unlearnt he is. I also am appalled by how the Republican party has carried themselves the past 8 years and I'm upset they have blocked the Supreme Court appointee. Any other year, those would be the top reasons why I vote for one side. But not this year.

And if you do care about corruption as the number 1 factor in choosing a candidate, I still come to the same conclusion when I put up what Hillary has done versus what Trump has done. It's still a crystal clear choice.

And as has been mentioned here before, wikileaks very easily take things out of context and are not digested well by the average person. So I take them with a grain of salt.
 
Im curious why i should care about the emails? whats in them?

From my understanding

The emails are not from Hillary or her private server, but they could potentially contain information that is pertinent to the prior investigation

We don't really know what kind of information is contained within them at this point

Someone correct me if I'm wrong
 
You guys just wait and pounce on dissenters as soon as they appear. :lol

Honest question, do y'all even care about this e-mail stuff?
I have some time to kill so I'll give you an honest answer.

I kind of care. I care in that Hillary should have been more careful and that she should have gone out of her way to separate out any potential conflicts of interest while in office. And I typically believe that the more information, the better. So I like leaks in the sense that they give me more information about how the government works and how individuals act.

That said, I only care a little for a few reasons. One is that this has dragged on for a while and has the smell of the boy who cried wolf. Whether it's Bill, Hillary, Obama, even Bush... There's always this out-of-proportion media rush on any little transgression. And sometimes there is substance to it. But we've been through so many investigations and discussions about emails, so many leaks of personal emails that really the public has no business trying to digest, so many doomsday scenarios, but, when the smoke clears, we've never seen any major fire behind it. There's nothing like watergate in terms of magnitude. Instead we have some political dealings that are commonplace but that people unfamiliar with DC or in denial go crazy over.

Now looking at this election I see a very easy choice. I'll be clear -- I dislike Trump as a human being. But I'm trying really hard not to let that be the reason I don't vote for him since I ask that people who don't like Hillary as a person don't make that the reason they vote against her. What I see instead as the clear reasons to vote for Hillary over Trump are fairly simple and it doesn't come down to any specific policy or single issue, it doesn't come down to political ideology, it doesn't come down to any of that. For the first time in my life, I see a clear difference in how the two candidates approach life. How they approach humanity. How they approach challenges and dissenters. And for the first time I see a candidate who is publicly -- not just privately -- calling for and instigating the worst of America. And to me that is unacceptable. To me that trumps whether I think someone's tax plan will be better for the economy, or whether their foreign policy will lead to a safer US and a better world, or how many backroom deals they make. The reason is because it threatens what it means to be America in dangerous ways.

It just so happens that I agree with Hillary on a lot more policy issues than with Trump. I also hate how unprepared and unlearnt he is. I also am appalled by how the Republican party has carried themselves the past 8 years and I'm upset they have blocked the Supreme Court appointee. Any other year, those would be the top reasons why I vote for one side. But not this year.

And if you do care about corruption as the number 1 factor in choosing a candidate, I still come to the same conclusion when I put up what Hillary has done versus what Trump has done. It's still a crystal clear choice.

And as has been mentioned here before, wikileaks very easily take things out of context and are not digested well by the average person. So I take them with a grain of salt.

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You guys just wait and pounce on dissenters as soon as they appear. :lol

Honest question, do y'all even care about this e-mail stuff?

I don't. Want to know why?

All politicians are crooked. ALL.

Other than the handling of the emails (which was judged wreckless but no illegal) I don't care about the contents because influence peddling in American politics is a feature due to the way the system has been designed to work. Trying to score political points by accusing a candidate of using their influence is akin to throwing rocks while living in a glasshouse. In a normal election I would be concerned by it, but this year we don't have a normal election: we have a candidate that has shown again and again that he doesn't believe in the democratic process (as flawed as it currently is), he doesn't believe in America as a plural society, and I honestly don't believe that after 8 years he will step down peacefully. I grew up in a dictatorship, and electing people who exhibit totalitarian traits is like getting herpes: easy to get, impossible to get rid off.

I'll gladly take 4 years of Crooked Hillary if the alternative is Trump.
 
Im curious why i should care about the emails? whats in them?

From my understanding

The emails are not from Hillary or her private server, but they could potentially contain information that is pertinent to the prior investigation

We don't really know what kind of information is contained within them at this point

Someone correct me if I'm wrong
So that would mean it has something to do with confidential info being e-mailed since that is what that whole investigation was about.

Putting aside my problems with that I'm still waiting on the bombshell e-mail that makes her a corrupt criminal.
 
don't care about the contents because influence peddling in American politics is a feature due to the way the system has been designed to work

you're not supposed to enrich yourself when you run a charity... period.
 
Comey admitted in an internal memory that he has no idea what is on the emails, knows it could disrupt the election, and says he is doing because he feels he has and obligation to do so.

This guy :lol
 
thats because he effed up not calling in a grand jury in da 1st place and having da appearance of appearing partisan.

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I really don't think anything comes of this. media ignored alot but lost their minds over this. still... tim kaine could easily be president at some point in the next 8 years.

Its amazing that clinton's email hasnt been hacked (that we know of)
 
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So wait... russia, assange, & wikilieaks have been leaking tens of thousands of emails & nothing sticks but 3 emails from wiener's 3 emails reopens the case? :rollin
 
don't care about the contents because influence peddling in American politics is a feature due to the way the system has been designed to work

you're not supposed to enrich yourself when you run a charity... period.

She got rich off speeches. She didn't use charity money to pay off her personal bills, unlike a certain someone.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...at-pundit-clintons-get-no-personal-benefit-f/

They get access to important figures through their charity but they don't get paid from the work they perform for the foundation. What you seem to complain about is the fact they leveraged their network to earn money through other means, which is stupid because that's exactly what we encourage people to do in this country.
 
I really don't think anything comes of this. media ignored alot but lost their minds over this. still... tim kaine could easily be president at some point in the next 8 years.

Its amazing that clinton's email hasnt been hacked (that we know of)

30 people went to see Tim Kanie in FL... :lol

there's no way Comey Re-opens a Criminal Investigation

that he left ol' girl slide initially unless he can actually prove intent this time.
 
I suppose I see it kinda like Freud's pyramid of human needs:

I view Trump's collection of misdeeds (jeopardizing the needs listed higher on the pyramid) as less of an immediate threat than Hillary's collection of misdeeds (jeopardizing the needs listed lower on the pyramid). Not negligible / excusable, but relatively less dangerous than Hillary's.

Trump groping someone doesn't quite have the same potential worst case scenario consequences for our country as Hillary e-mailing classified government information via a vulnerable home network.

Am I crazy, dumb, or does anyone else see where I'm coming from?

Like, it's the collective feelings of an uber-PC society vs. threat to national security.
 
 
I suppose I see it kinda like Freud's pyramid of human needs:

I view Trump's collection of misdeeds (jeopardizing the needs listed higher on the pyramid) as less of an immediate threat than Hillary's collection of misdeeds (jeopardizing the needs listed lower on the pyramid). Not negligible / excusable, but relatively less dangerous than Hillary's.

Trump groping someone doesn't quite have the same potential worst case scenario consequences for our country as Hillary e-mailing classified government information via a vulnerable home network.

Am I crazy, dumb, or does anyone else see where I'm coming from?

Like, it's the collective feelings of an uber-PC society vs. threat to national security.
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Sexual assault = PC feelings now? Beside most of his policy being complete ********, there's a minimum bar to be fit for the office that he's nowhere near clearing. 
 
I suppose I see it kinda like Freud's pyramid of human needs:




I view Trump's collection of misdeeds (jeopardizing the needs listed higher on the pyramid) as less of an immediate threat than Hillary's collection of misdeeds (jeopardizing the needs listed lower on the pyramid). Not negligible / excusable, but relatively less dangerous than Hillary's.

Trump groping someone doesn't quite have the same potential worst case scenario consequences for our country as Hillary e-mailing classified government information via a vulnerable home network.

Am I crazy, dumb, or does anyone else see where I'm coming from?

Like, it's the collective feelings of an uber-PC society vs. threat to national security.

You just grabbed the low hanging fruit when it comes to Trump's flaws.

How about his relationship with Russian money? His son acknowledged that nowadays, most of the capital for the Trump org projects comes from Russia. That's a major conflict of interest here. His own inability to foresee that his name could take a hit during the campaign (when he relies on it to make money through licensing) is another one. Hillary is being accused of being opaque, but anyone can access the financial documents related to her foundation; can't say the same about Trump's many endeavors that fall under the same considerations.

One candidate is clearly shadier and less adept at tackling issues that await the next president of this country.
 
* If you are truly concerned about this lady, she was fine. After this altercation, we called emergency services (even though people said "let her be" on the video and that "she deserved it for spewing hate"), SHE REFUSED TO BE HELPED, got up, and kept on with her hateful rhetoric, writing a new sign saying: "**** Mexicans, vote for Trump"

* She was there for at least 3 hours, and most all of the time, it was peaceful, people tried asking her reason for voting for Trump and protecting his star, but it is obvious she wasn't in "all her senses" , and never really had substance on her thoughts and opinions.

*I got many messages saying: "liberal left is repulsive, scumbags. First of all, I'm not political or Left or Right. I WILL NOT VOTE on this elections, as I don't believe on any of the candidates. However, these "scumbags" not only tried to help her, bought her food and drink, and some people were actually going to give her money, which we told them not to, as she could spend somewhere else. So food and cards were bought for her.

* I thought it was clear in the video, but if not, here it goes: I DID NOT BEAT THIS HOMELESS WOMAN DOWN. I am behind the camera filming when all of this happened, I am not the person ripping off her signs, nor do I know who that is. That's not a man, it was a girl, or as far as I could see, if you know what I mean. I understand you might be angry at this, but gear your anger towards the right person. I'm a peaceful person, has always been, and will always be. Once the police arrived, the video was showed and they realized she threw herself on the ground, and did not press charges against that person for ripping her signs up.

Nice try tho
 
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