***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dwalk31]

 

[dwalk31]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/21/politics/secret-service-trump-security-requests/index.html

 

[Public Enemy]

Dear you know who

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Bu bu bu buuuut he beat dean Phillips!!?

 

[Wargames]

You don't need to trust his hot takes or his blogging, you just need to trust the model.


He's been the best political forecaster and it's not close.

Ignoring the best political model because you don't like his blog seems dumb.

Ignoring the source of information is foolish, because that implies that bias doesn't exist. Boweve even then has his fabeled model been a better indicatorof who would win the election than just looking at what the majority of polls say? No

So nothing is loss regardless

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[dacomeup]

For anyone who thinks Citizen United is bad, but is all for what they did to get Biden to step down.

The voters overwhelming are in favorite of Biden stepping aside as the candidate.

When it’s over I actually expect a lot of people to feel guilty about what happened to Joe, and for Kamala to have to soothe their guilt at the DNC. There is this weird video of her and Drew Barrymore which I expect to be the sentiment of most people when they take a step back and realize they ran Biden out after he spent the last 4 years fixing arguably the biggest mess America has ever been in since the WW’s occurred.

You can be grateful for what Joe did and still recognize that he’s incapable of running a campaign that’s necessary to win in November.

 

[gry60]

You can keep saying this but it literally means nothing to anyone.

Nobody cares.

If you think Biden's brain is broken and he's going to lose the election and must be replaced.

Not a single person who believes this is going to be cowed by Biden beating Dean Phillips in a campaign WHERE HE CONCEALED HIS COGNITIVE DECLINE FROM THE ELECTORATE.

Nobody gives a single ****.

Cry about it if you want to. That's not going to stop anyone from trying to avert disaster and save the republic by replacing Biden.

You responding with the nonsense above shows who keeps ignoring ALL the facts.

- 4 months to the elections.
- Biden is the sole decider of whether he should stay or retire (unless the 25th amendment is invoked).
- " WHERE HE CONCEALED HIS COGNITIVE DECLINE FROM THE ELECTORATE." How the campaign presented him is irrelevant.
- The Democratic party insiders should have been proactive if they suspected that Biden wouldn't perform - to their satisfaction - on the campaign trail
- The continued, public pressure campaign is sabotaging the perception of the Democratic party as a weak, disorganized structure. That can also impact turnout.
- You overvalue the new candidate's age factor: the undecided crowd should already be swayed by Trump's record and the more drastic direction of his 2nd term agenda. They are not, so there's no reason to assume they will ignore the policies championed by this new candidate. In addition, more time spent bickering among themselves means less time is spent challenging the Trump platform (which is something the surrogates should be helping with too).
- Anyone on top of the ticket not named Kamala Harris will have to fundraise from scratch. Less than 4 months from election day. LOL!
- Large donors putting their finger on the scale after legitimate primaries is undemocratic as ****. This will be used against the new candidate too, especially if Kamala isn't the replacement, considering that it's supposed to be her role as VP anyway (and it appears Kamala is not their favorite).

You don't want to care, but you have to. None of these concerns is going away, especially if you want to run Kamala through another primary. All of you with the "he needs to leave, and we'll figure it out" attitude are the ones with their head buried in the sand.

And please, don't bring up the goalie analogy again. If campaign season is a game, polls reflect the momentum, not the actual score. Makes no sense to bring him forward when nobody has scored.

 

[gry60]

Remember that they are also on the menu if he wins. Liz Cheney and anyone of a similar Republican flavor will be subjected to the Trump revenge tour.

 

[trappedintime]

You responding with the nonsense above shows who keeps ignoring ALL the facts.

- 4 months to the elections.
- Biden is the sole decider of whether he should stay or retire (unless the 25th amendment is invoked).
- " WHERE HE CONCEALED HIS COGNITIVE DECLINE FROM THE ELECTORATE." How the campaign presented him is irrelevant.
- The Democratic party insiders should have been proactive if they suspected that Biden wouldn't perform - to their satisfaction - on the campaign trail
- The continued, public pressure campaign is sabotaging the perception of the Democratic party as a weak, disorganized structure. That can also impact turnout.
- You overvalue the new candidate's age factor: the undecided crowd should already be swayed by Trump's record and the more drastic direction of his 2nd term agenda. They are not, so there's no reason to assume they will ignore the policies championed by this new candidate. In addition, more time spent bickering among themselves means less time is spent challenging the Trump platform (which is something the surrogates should be helping with too).
- Anyone on top of the ticket not named Kamala Harris will have to fundraise from scratch. Less than 4 months from election day. LOL!
- Large donors putting their finger on the scale after legitimate primaries is undemocratic as ****. This will be used against the new candidate too, especially if Kamala isn't the replacement, considering that it's supposed to be her role as VP anyway (and it appears Kamala is not their favorite).

You don't want to care, but you have to. None of these concerns is going away, especially if you want to run Kamala through another primary. All of you with the "he needs to leave, and we'll figure it out" attitude are the ones with their head buried in the sand.

And please, don't bring up the goalie analogy again. If campaign season is a game, polls reflect the momentum, not the actual score. Makes no sense to bring him forward when nobody has scored.

This is pure delusion

 

[Betonblck]

So Democrats want Biden to drop out and then let a handful of rich donors select the nominee?

Is that the plan?

 

[mplsdunk]

Of course Biden will get smoked in Michigan for being pro war.

People have been calling that.

 

[ballinsam23]

I didnt think they'd vote Trump over Biden in Michigan. Trump is pro-Israel way more than Biden.

Thought people would just not vote.

 

[mplsdunk]

I could see that too, either way I see Biden taking an L there

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[trappedintime]

I didnt think they'd vote Trump over Biden in Michigan. Trump is pro-Israel way more than Biden.

Thought people would just not vote.

Any way you cut it, not voting is exactly what the Republicans want. Poor Dem turnout due to Joe threatens anyone running down ballot just because people won’t show up.

 

[Betonblck]

Then appeal it to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court will remove the Democrat from the ballot.

 

[Wargames]

The voters overwhelming are in favorite of Biden stepping aside as the candidate.


You can be grateful for what Joe did and still recognize that he’s incapable of running a campaign that’s necessary to win in November.

It is what it is, but I think your conflating issues regarding this. Donors telling congress members I will give you more money if you write a letter telling Biden to step down or no money at all is citizens united. Donors writing op-eds and funding commercials to tell Biden to step down is. Are we going to act like this doesn't affect how people perceive Biden?

Now someone reported we’ll see the greatest day in fundraising in history the day Biden steps down. Its ugly and its the same thing as Elon Musk saying he will donate 40 million a month to promoting Trump.

People should be just as mad about that, if not more as they are with every other part of this election cycle.

I also think once Biden steps down, your see a narrative change and it’ll be like those letter because they will want to campaign on his record.

 

[mplsdunk]

Welcome to America man.

 

[trappedintime]

We’ve reached the stage where the narrative is every Dem in congress is brainwashed by money. They knew it was just a stutter but those damn money guys!