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Dude your original statement makes no sense though.
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I'm confused, what about my original statement doesn't make sense?

Miltary people are less willing to go to war than politicians, miltary boondongles are more likely to be forwarded by politicians than military leaders. What am I saying that doesn't make sense?

Of course someone that sees military action like a chess move is going to be more war hungry that the people that have to fight the war. Only one of the groups lives are going to be on the line.

Yes, of course that is one reason that they would be less willing to go to war, and another reason could be their greater understanding of war and the limits of military power.

I don't really see how that invalidates my claim.

Plus it is not fighting the war that is usually the problem. America could fade anyone easily if it wanted to, it is what that comes afterward that causes the problems.

uh..I never said it wasnt, still not seing how this makes my claim not make sense.

what comes afterwards is something milatry people have a better grasp on than politicians.


Every time there is going to be a major military conflict this is discussed. You really think Americans, even the all politicians, where all ready to run into Iraq. There was a heated national debate about it first.

You really need to step down from your maple tower famb

Chris Hayes has a great rif on this in "Twilight of the ELITES", on how relatively easily the left wing of american politics acquiesced to the war, I mean 40% of the left wing of american politics voted for it. and how the conservative intelligentsia overwhelmed dissenting voices from military leaders.


You seem to think it's about self preservation, I don't. I think military leaders in general have a stronger grasp, that is based in actual expirence rather than theoy on the limits of military power, and in most extended military disasters it's politicians that extend the suffering.



I don't know what canada has to do with this. :lol
 
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Read the second sentence. That doesn't make sense. Who is "nobody", are you speaking generally again?

Maybe is your writing style but why not making a straight forward comments instead of these condescending comments towards these imaginary people?

You speak in so many generalities, it always takes a follow up to make you get specific. Look how military people, turned into military leaders.
 
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Read the second sentence. That doesn't make sense. Who is "nobody", are you speaking generally again?

Maybe is your writing style but why not making a straight forward comments instead of these condescending comments towards these imaginary people?

You speak in so many generalities, it always takes a follow up to make you get specific. Look how military people, turned into military leaders.

I was making a generalized statement about military action throughout history,so I went with a general "nobody" I figured it was appropriate.



to get specific I think Hilary Clinton is way way way too accepting of elite burocratic thinking and that makes her particularly susceptible to falling into in ill convinced military interventionist boondgles.



Ross Douthat had a great line on this in NYtimes sunday colunm.


"They are the dangers of recklessness and radicalism that doesn't rocognize iself as eitherm because it is convinced that if an idea is mainstream and common place among the great and good then it cannot possibly be folly"


It would my biggest knock against clinton if I were an american voting.
 
He's not going to win Wisconsin, MI, or CO. Those are super long shots for him.

He will prob get FL and OH and maybe even PA out of those but we'll see. He needs like a perfect turn of events and well lets be honest, that's remote. Unlike some sort of new bombshell comes out because so far the FBI report isn't doing enough since it's not swaying the people who were decided already and are going to heavily endorse Hilary. Women and the college educated vote.
 

if there is a conspiracy in this election, it's not Hillary's emails and it may not be Russia but instead it may be the actions of the FBI. I'm 50/50 right now on whether in a couple years this is revealed to be an intentional attempt by members of the FBI to change the outcome of the election.

can't wait to see the heads roll.
 
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I'm low key scared... I have a flight booked for Texas on the 16th and if trump wins, I'm legit afraid to go down south and be in public with my mixed race kid if there is rioting going on. Sad and scary we have to think about the possibilities of people just tripping to trip if this guy wins.
 
According to a person familiar with the probes, on Aug. 12, a senior Justice Department official called Mr. McCabe to voice his displeasure at finding that New York FBI agents were still openly pursuing the Clinton Foundation probe during the election season. Mr. McCabe said agents still had the authority to pursue the issue as long as they didn’t use overt methods requiring Justice Department approvals.
The Justice Department official was “very pissed off,” according to one person close to Mr. McCabe, and pressed him to explain why the FBI was still chasing a matter the department considered dormant. Others said the Justice Department was simply trying to make sure FBI agents were following longstanding policy not to make overt investigative moves that could be seen as trying to influence an election. Those rules discourage investigators from making any such moves before a primary or general election, and, at a minimum, checking with anticorruption prosecutors before doing so.
“Are you telling me that I need to shut down a validly predicated investigation?” Mr. McCabe asked.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/laptop-...to-hillary-clintons-private-server-1477854957




Three days on, FBI director James Comey continues to take heat for his Oct. 28 letter to Congress, in which he disclosed the possibility of new evidence in the agency’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server. The latest criticism comes from US senator Chuck Grassley, the Iowa Republican who chairs the Senate judiciary committee.

In a letter addressed to Comey, Grassley raised concerns about whether the FBI has been influenced in its investigation of Clinton by political appointees at the US Department of Justice, and said it is critical to know whether the FBI has sought grand jury subpoenas and search warrants in the case—and whether or not it has done so successfully.

While supporting Comey’s decision to come forward before the Nov. 8 US presidential election, Grassley joined a chorus of criticism over the scant details provided in the disclosure. Comey’s letter said that the FBI, through a separate investigation, has come across emails that “appear to be pertinent” to the Clinton probe.

“Without additional context, your disclosure is not fair to Congress, the American people, or Secretary Clinton,” Grassley wrote.
“In the absence of additional, authoritative information from the FBI in the wake of your vague disclosure, Congress and the American people are left to sift through anonymous leaks from Justice Department officials to the press of varying levels of detail, reliability, and consistency. The American people deserve better than that,” he wrote.

Grassley then put 10 questions to Comey, and requested a response by Nov. 4:

1. Has anyone at the FBI had the ability to read any of the content of the newly discovered emails? If not, then how do you know that they appear to be pertinent to the FBI’s inquiry? If so, does any of the content upon initial review suggest obstruction of or false statements to Congress or the FBI by Secretary Clinton or her senior aides? Please explain.
2. What time frame do the newly discovered emails cover and approximately how many are there?
3. Is there any preliminary information to suggest that a significant number of the newly discovered emails are duplicates of emails already reviewed by the FBI?
4.Did the FBI obtain the device(s) through which it learned of the existence of new emails mentioned in your letter on Friday through compulsory process? If so, please describe the nature and scope of the process in detail. If not, then how did the FBI learn of the existence of the new emails mentioned in your letter?
5. At any point in the Clinton email investigation, did the FBI request use of a grand jury from the Justice Department? If not, why not? If the Department declined, please describe the circumstances in detail. Who at the Justice Department made that decision and what grounds were given for the denial?
6.At any point in the Clinton investigation, did the FBI request an application for a search warrant from the Justice Department? If not, why not? If so, what was the Department’s response? If the Department declined, please describe the circumstances in detail. Who at the Justice Department made that decision and what grounds were given for the denial?
7.According to news reports, the FBI has recently obtained a search warrant for the emails in question. If those reports are accurate, please provide the Committee with copies of the material provided to the court in support of the warrant, including any affidavits executed by FBI personnel.
8.According to news reports, the FBI has also been conducting a criminal inquiry involving the Clinton Foundation. Yet, Justice Department officials reportedly denied the FBI’s request for a grand jury in that matter and pressured senior FBI officials not to pursue the matter through other means. Is it true that the Department denied the FBI’s request for a grand jury in the Clinton Foundation investigation?
9.Press reports also indicate that the Justice Department denied the FBI the ability to search the laptops of senior Clinton aides Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson for information related to the Clinton Foundation inquiry. Is it true that the FBI requested such a search of the Mills and Samuelson laptops, but DOJ denied that request? If the FBI did make such a request, was that request made before or after the Department executed its agreement with Mills and Samuelson for a narrow voluntary search and destruction of the laptops?
10. Please provide the committee with all records related to communications between FBI and DOJ officials regarding: (a) requests for any sort of court-supervised process, such as empaneling a grand jury or applying for a search warrant in connection with the Clinton email or Clinton Foundation investigations, or (b) the Mills and Samuelson laptops that were to subject of limited immunity agreements.

http://qz.com/824083/fbi-director-j...om-republican-senator-chuck-grassley-of-iowa/
 
I'm low key scared... I have a flight booked for Texas on the 16th and if trump wins, I'm legit afraid to go down south and be in public with my mixed race kid if there is rioting going on. Sad and scary we have to think about the possibilities of people just tripping to trip if this guy wins.

I got 3 words for the AZ rednecks, come at me
 
A bot runs that twitter page. It started tweeting out a bunch of FOIA mess a few days ago. For example, HRC's records, as well as those of Nikola Tesla, General Petraeus, and Fred Trump.
 
if there is a conspiracy in this election, it's not Hillary's emails and it may not be Russia but instead it may be the actions of the FBI. I'm 50/50 right now on whether in a couple years this is revealed to be an intentional attempt by members of the FBI to change the outcome of the election.

can't wait to see the heads roll.

Didn't they also refuse to name any Russian names citing election timing? Ya they some **** boys, they can't hide the attempted jig at this point.
 
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