***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[IATT]

 

[earldagoat]

Remember to ignore the polls. Get out and vote.

Bring your friends & family w/ you. too.

This is the way.

 

[rexanglorum]

 

[moonman818]

Did you watch the whole thing or just a clip that may have been taken out of context? I felt like Jon was giving him a backhanded compliment, with the point being that it's what you'd expect from a guy who does roasts with wildly inappropriate jokes that are meant to humiliate people and he did just that, then tied it back to his original joke about Beyonce not singing at the Harris rally. I wouldn't take it too serious, TBH. The POINT of his monologue starts at the 8 minute mark...

I watched the whole episode.
I just thought it was a little odd he finds Mr. "your ancestors pick cotton cuz you're Black" funny.
I'm not really into new comedy too much these days, though.

 

[heelsandeers]

The Harris Campaign needs to run this as an ad. For all the people who say that they can look past everything else because they are confident that Trump will restore 2019 prices on day one.

“I don’t care about all the mean things he says, gas is $5.00/gallon”

Vote for Trump and it may be $10/gallon, apparently.

Interesting closing argument... I'll give him that

 

[heelsandeers]

Increasingly optimistic Kamala will win as the election nears

Republicans still have no ground game and the PR thing is blowing up in Trump's face

I'm also intrigued by the "secret" voting phenomenon (Rep. women) because it's arguably showing up in early voting numbers

And the blue firewall in PA is being hit. She will win WI/MI/PA

 

[mplsdunk]

I voted a month ago, why would you go in if you don’t have to?

 

[kdawg]

This the guy arrested for the Arizona ballot box fire.

Apparently he’s 35!

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[1995]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I just thought it was a little odd he finds Mr. "your ancestors pick cotton cuz you're Black" funny.
I'm not really into new comedy too much these days, though.

Context matters

the whole point of a roast jokes is to go at people in the hardest way possible.
this includes, racist, sexist, homophobic jokes.

but the context of a roast vs political rally is different in a couple crucial ways.

1. your targets have the opportunity to respond; you get to dish it out, but you also have to take it.
2. you are supposed to go after EVERYONE not pick and choose particular target.

so I get jon stewart liking Tony Hinchcliffe, Tony Hinchcliffe is good at roast style jokes.


where i think jon has it wrong;
Tony for his MAGA rally set, only went after Donald Trump's and MAGAs perceived enemies, immigrants, black and brown people and didn't touch MAGA or Donald Trump. So even tho Tony was just "doing his thing".
the context of it makes it not nearly as funny.

 

[sfc415]

Agreed.
Most of the anti latino right wing rhetoric is aimed at Mexicans, so the Guatemalans and Colombians say it is not about them.
Then when it is aimed at Venezuelans, the Mexicans and Argentines say it is not about them.
When it is aimed at dark skin latinos , the light skinned ones say it not about them
When it is about the latinos crossing the border, the latinos born here or legally here say it is not about them.
etc etc...

I feel like there needs to be some nuance when it comes to Latinos/immigrants who support Republicans.

On paper, Republicans have a lot of rhetoric that appeals to immigrants and their families. Let’s say you ignore the open bigotry and focus on the following key words they keep pushing;

-Family values. Compared to the typical Americans, immigrants stick to their families much longer, often living with them until they get married (or continue to live with them in large households). Building a large family and having a bunch of kids is a traditional value for these people.

-limited government involvement in your day to day life. Many of our parents and ancestors are from countries that had brutal dictatorships.

-law and order. Who doesn’t want a safer community compared to the one many of our parents came from?

I can see how there are people who come from a different country might say “Trump is an @$&@:$:$ but I’m voting for the Republicans because of my values.”

Now, anyone who has a grasp of the English language and basic critical thinking can turn off right wing propoganda because we can see that Republicans never practice what they preach.

-Defund institutions that would provide proper healthcare and education to children
-Flood our streets with lethal weapons
-start decades long illegal wars
-heavily use government to restrict and oppress women/gay/transgender/minorities
-use government to leech off the middle class and the poor
-only deregulating things that allow them to line their pockets at the expense of the average person

I can keep listing hundreds of forms of hypocrisy.

I’m not saying this to justify anything. I’m just pointing out that I get how some immigrants who probably don’t pay attention to the news all day can tune into some right wing hijacked radio, hear someone in their own language talk about “Did you hear Democrats want to defund the police??” And then come to the conclusion that Republicans will keep them safe.

It’s our job to try to educate these people with concrete examples of the hypocrisy. Not with exaggerated and vulgar insults (which I’ve been guilty of in the past).

Now if they STILL don’t change their ways, or they were born in this country and don’t use the critical thinking we were all taught in elementary school, then there’s no point. Just cut ties and move on

 

[Lee And His Sneaks]

 

[mplsdunk]

it’s easy to see why some Latinos would vote republican.

If you can’t understand that read a book or learn some history.

Of course they are all lies the republicans spew but on paper it probably looks pretty good.

 

[elpablo21]

 

[ghenges]

The chokehold that Catholicism has on people of that faith doesn't get talked about enough. The whole religion is built around guilt, shame and fear with nonsensical made up rules. Bow your head, do as you're told. The Evangelicals get called out all the time for their bat crap insane beliefs but Catholics are right there with them and seem to get a pass.

Don't eat meat on Fridays. Why? Don't worry about why, we're Catholic and we don't eat meat on Fridays. What happens if I eat meat on Friday? Oh I don't know but you better get in that box with that old man on Sunday and say you're sorry.

Any organization with that type of logic doesn't have a foot to stand on when it comes to body autonomy and medical science. It's time to grow up.

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[mplsdunk]

You mean you guys wouldn’t walk around with ash on your head before you plow down your mc fish for the big man upstairs?

 

[Air Champa]

I'm not really a big fan of "this is not who we are" talk. I'm sorry, but that's exactly who we are when it comes to certain people. Denying it isn't going to solve anything. Making "those people" an obscure, insignificant bunch will.

 

[IATT]

 

[earldagoat]

 

[jpzx]

Dear god

 

[05fordgt]

He's a royal POS!

 

[IATT]

 

[Public Enemy]

There really isn't anybody who thinks that. (biden)