elpablo21
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Enjoy the win fam
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Enjoy? I didn't vote for him
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The fact is that these people's lives were not significantly improved from 2016-2020 compared to today. People believe what they want to believe, based on messaging and, credit where credit is due, Trump is phenominal with that.
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Already this morning, white female coworker from Buffalo.
"I don't want to hear anything about a hurricane. Next time it happens, I will say look at 2024. I'm applying for grad programs in Europe. I'm out of here."
Hope folks are moving wisely at work. I get the frustration but move wisely folks.
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It also doesn't help that there are MASSIVE divides regarding Gaza, etc. on the left itself.
If there is one positive thing about last night for Dems (and for the left in general) is that now there is a common force to be united against once again like there was in 2016-2018 (which bodes well for the 2026 midterm elections). To your point, they need to focus on solutions, policy-wise otherwise 2028 is not going to go much better than last night.
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Notice the conspicuous absence of any allegations of 'voter fraud' this time around in spite of a foreign adversary specifically targeting one sides electoral process across numerous key battleground states on election night
It's only cheating when he loses
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Extremists have no middle ground and are pathetic. Just as much as someone calling a person an idiot because they share an idea with the opposition.
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I get not wanting to talk down to people and people maintaining decency but what I don’t get is why that **** is only one way. Why is it always the left that has to respect people doing and supporting clearly detrimental **** but people on the right can make bomb threats, ridicule, antagonize people they openly despise all damn day and people just go it is what it is?!
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Trump didn’t win because of policy tho…He ran on the same name calling n culture wars you are talking about
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Unserious AF.
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Kamalas campaign was TRASH.no way you thought how she approached this was any good and the money she wasted on top of that.
She trounced Trump during the debate.
She went on all those shows people said she would be afraid to go to.
She answered questions without feeding the Trump campaign attack ads.
By the end of the campaign, dude had nothing but insults towards her.
The truth is, Americans want the Democratic party to be sweet talking magicians. They want to be lied to. They want simple solutions to complex problems, even if those solutions won't work (and there are many examples of that during the Trump years).
Democrats can't fix this mindset in a single election cycle. It will take a 1930s-depressioon level of pain to make people get it. And Elon is bringing it.
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What’s funny is that after all the curry and Indian ridicule towards Kamala, they’ve re-elected a president who would 10000% fit in Indian politics and promotes the worst aspects of India. Absolutely zero difference between him and Modi, even down to sucking up to Putin.
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The key here is to still carve out your own principled policy positions and vision of the country or else you run the risk of falling into the time honored centrist fallacy of running instead as a republican-lite to appeal to the other side when we see it proven time and time again that Republican leaning voters will under no circumstances, ever vote for the half version over the genuine article.
The Obama-era coalition was a mirage that barely lasted half a cycle, gotta adapt to the current reality of the electorate.
Better off running on economic populism from the side of the other side of ideological spectrum that you're supposed to represent. Replicate their campaign strategy and message/line discipline but not the actual politics since you're supposed to be a credible alternative, not a polite version of the same thing they're already being offered.
Rehabilitating all the Bush-era neocons and ghouls led to absolutely zero gains and an actual decrease in Republican leaning voters voting Democrat from '20. That entire 'we love a strong republican party'/West Wing bi-partisan governing pipe dream line of thinking needs to be dead and buried for good of the Democrats. That's become a proven losing strategy multiple times.
Why not switch things up instead of doubling down into the abyss?
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Do you think mass deportations could actually happen? How would that even be implemented—would federal agents enter immigrant sanctuary cities? It seems like things could escalate quickly.
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It's bad faith through and through. Look at how they voted for the most openly hateful, divisive and doom mongering campaign in history filled with sheer contempt for half the country where political opponents were threatened non-stop with political violence and deportations yet want people to spare their poor feelings over things being called out for what they are...
Being more polite has never been the issue with these folks
. The Democrats love of decorum and protocol highlights that it's never been about that at all. They LOVE that the other guy doesn't even pay passing lip service to basic human decency because that's who they are.Spare me the crocodile tears over getting called garbage or deplorable for exhibiting that exact behaviour and attitude time and time again
dacomeup
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This isn’t cheering for a sports team. He told us what he plans to do. Why do we have to “hope he can right the ship”?
I never said anything about Trump winning on policy. You gotta start looking at why the Democrats are losing more and more support.
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This is a huge inconvenient truth. At the end of the day Trump made gains and polled much better than your traditional conservative politician amongst groups who normally vote blue. Attacking them and calling them stupid isn’t going to fix that.
Even if a person privately feels that sentiment. Shaming them and attacking them is only going to validate their shift to the right in their eyes. Calling them stupid etc. All that’s doing is pushing them to keep voting red out of spite. At the end of the day those people vote and a vote is a vote. The vote of someone who doesn’t have much education and doesn’t follow much politics but thinks Trump is funny counts just as much as someone with a masters degree in political science. Only difference is there’s way more people who don’t follow politics and think Trump is funny who will vote strictly off of that than there is people who follow politics regularly. Your vote doesn’t count any more than the other persons does just because you’re more knowledgeable in politics.
I don’t know if the Dems necessarily need to shift further to the center. But they do need to privately acknowledge the uphill battle. They got 2 years to put the house and senate in play. They got 4 years to find a likable charismatic candidate who can get people out to vote and poach any type of right leaning votes that they can. Policy is important, but being likeable and having mass appeal is just as important when you consider how well or unwell versed the average American citizen is politics wise. Dumb the message down, use buzzwords that resonate etc.
But either way the Dems gotta do some internal self reflection, hit the reset button and not just rely on the GOP to self destruct and alienate people over the next 4 years.
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Im working remote today for this reason.
dacomeup
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He literally just won after doing this for the past 8 years.
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Yes, yes we are. I lied to myself in 2016 but I won’t this time.Then we are F'd.
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Like I said last night, folks would be very surprised how many people of different communities would vote for Donald Trump.
It's what they're talking about on the news. Republican policy talking points hit home harder than the Dems. Identity politics that the Democrats use to muster up votes does not work.
They failed to see how big of an issue the border was.
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LITERALLY coasted off of unabashed grievance politics, fear mongering and machismo to 2 terms
elpablo21
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The benefit of the doubt some people get lmao
I thought it was dumb in 2016 when ppl gave it to Trump but 8 years later and we're hoping the same Leopard to change his spots.
Idk what message or policy defeats the line of thinking moving forward. I really don't
I thought it was dumb in 2016 when ppl gave it to Trump but 8 years later and we're hoping the same Leopard to change his spots.
Idk what message or policy defeats the line of thinking moving forward. I really don't
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