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Trump has a big Vietnamese following unfortunately.I just heard an interview from a woman in Orange County, CA she’s half Vietnamese and voted for Trump solely because her mom was a legal immigrant
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sneaksoy
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No message or policy can defeat the 24/7 news cycle of lies pedaled to the right.
Imo, the left needs to give up the high ground and fight fire with fire. Lie to voters. Play on the vibes. Lie some more to voters.
We’re seeing today that actual policy does. not. matter. Americans are dumb writ large and it’s only going to get worse, so it’s probably going to take stooping down to have a chance to lift this country back up.
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This about to play out like stop and frisk did in New York
I wish the best to all none white clearly straight male people
Between “immigration” and “religious” policies, certain heavy handed tactics about to get implemented
For example, those states wanting to track women’s medical information.. or women that need to cross state lines for life saving medical care
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Yup. I have a colleague who is about as far right as far right can get, and assumes everybody thinks like she does. I'm trying to stay away from her today.
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This ain't the way brah.
sneaksoy
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Sending prayers your way
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, this forum is better with you but we support you taking care of family before coming back on here.
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, this forum is better with you but we support you taking care of family before coming back on here.
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Yes plus the biggest quiet issue is the consolidation of the internet.
When I started coming on this website almost 20 years ago, it was one of many, many different website I went too. The internet used to be a big place with lots of corners and niches.
Now it's been consolidated by a few different hands, and we all go to the same couple platforms which really monopolize our time (FB, Gram, X). I'm a far LEFT person but I feel like I've become more conservative over the past few years just by getting poisioned by the far right stuff that Musk pushed on X. I can't only imagine what that does if you don't have the educational background that I do, it would push you even further (as we're currently seeing).
Musk/Thiel and the creep tech plutocracy have a long-term vision for really taking complete control of the country and they're lining up their ducks in a row to make it all happen with seemingly no push back.
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I mean you will be fine with all of your side gigs but don't let her bait you into doing/saying anything stupid.Yup. I have a colleague who is about as far right as far right can get, and assumes everybody thinks like she does. I'm trying to stay away from her today.
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Man, my ancestors survived being enslaved, brutally rapes, sexually assaulted, murdered by racists, and other unthinkable things on this very land, while building this country through blood, sweat and tears. I don’t need to be lectured on being chicken little or how I should hope for the best. There are practical realities to a Trump Presidency that are frightening to minorities, immigrants, women, working class people, LBGTQ people, and other groups. Trump and his people have put together a playbook for what they plan on doing this time and these policies will clearly affect these people. Democracy is fragile and ultimately upheld by the people, not by hoping. If that’s how you plan on dealing with this than go ahead. I and many others in this thread do not need to be talked to in this patronizing way.
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Society devolving into a microcosm of 4chan 15 years later absolutely wasn't on my radar
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Agreed, because in a sense, as a culture, American exceptionalism is real, and many actually do love fascism, militarism, and exploitation. This goes for many populations across the world living in our good ol' white supremacist, colonialist, racist, capitalist indoctrinated societies. It is us who gives these ruling elites continued domination and powers to exploit and abuse us.
Ok, yes personally I think Democrats should focus more on policy. Harris actually had a good plan regarding middle class Americans and homeownership and the only way I found out about that plan is by looking it up on her site.. This loss is completely on the Dems being out of touch with their voters..
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Republicans have a position of familiarity to the electorate, Democrats really have to do more or have bad circumstances to win elections in general.
Watergate, Bush recession/ Ross Perot, Great Recession and Covid
Watergate, Bush recession/ Ross Perot, Great Recession and Covid
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She was literally out there on the trail with "Those who lean right and aren't hardcore conservatives"
And it got her NOTHING.
What is the point to keep moving center if the center just keeps moving right?
Is it even the center anymore? Those times are dead man
I’m talking in general beyond this election. Her situation was much more of an uphill battle from the jump.
But in general it’s not even so much pandering and moving to the center. It’s more finding a way to have charm and being charismatic to win back those on the fence voters, those who shifted to the right this election but don’t vote Republican every election. You’re not going to poach and push your hardcore conservatives and the MAGA crowd left. That’s a losing battle. But there’s people who voted Republican this election who are in play to be poached in 2028 the same way the GOP poached people who voted blue in 2020 this election.
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Protect your peace family wishing you and yours the best.
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this can't be right;
Biden moved to the left on every issue, trump massively over performed his polling despite presiding over a disastrous covid response.
Without COVID Biden loses easily.
Looking at the 2020 Biden campaign as some act of political brilliance is a mistake
in reality it's a largely bumbling campaign that got lucky because of COVID.
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The reality is immigrants who are gain legal immigration paths to America are overwhelmingly conservative. We've constructed paths for H1B types and people fleeing authoritarian left governments, or historically conservative outposts (D.R.) to become the driving immigrant forces in this country and now we are seeing the results (no one is serious about equality, the brown folks really just want the be on the same boat with the whites to have the same advantages).
The biggest story demographically last night is the hispanic swing to Trump. My wife's Dominican mother who can barely speak a word of English was having Trump prayer circles. This is probably a person, who if she would have voted in '08 or '12, would have voted for Obama (doubt she actually voted then). Until you figure a way to get those people back into the tent, you won't win ****.
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Same!
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Can't really blame her for not wanting to give a speech, but Kamala just canceling her speech at Howard is...not great.
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The man ran on enshrining qualified immunity and implementing stop and frisk nationally, it's about to be open season even more than before...
dacomeup
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I take that with a grain of salt tbh. The right has a massive megaphone behind them (even larger with X) that trumpets every Democrat as being a communist, and to this point the Dems suck at combating that. Meanwhile actual progressive policies such as affordable healthcare, student loan forgiveness, etc are popular.this can't be right;
Biden moved to the left on every issue, trump massively over performed his polling despite presiding over a disastrous covid response.
Without COVID Biden loses easily.
Looking at the 2020 Biden campaign as some act of political brilliance is a mistake
in reality it's a largely bumbling campaign that got lucky because of COVID.
And again, where in my post did I ever say that Biden ran a politically brilliant campaign?
His association with Obama did a lot of groundwork for him too — someone else who ran on progressive policies at the time
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Damn, Taylor Swift really ain't **** then. That's supposed to be the endorsement that would corral white women.
And Latino men?? It really be my own people
And Latino men?? It really be my own people
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You win on the margins.
The margin is the center. But you have to pull the center your way. You take what they say they need and you show them why it should be you.
These things are always 40-40 (20 in the center) or 45-45 (10 in the center)
You must win a majority of the center. While also not pissing off your 40 or 45 whatever it may be in that election and losing 3-4-5 of what you’re supposed to count on.
Where Republicans more often are so better at politics is they bang on populism regardless of how unpopular their position is.
Democrats by constantly co-opting their message and ceding not minor points, but major details they appear to be the idealist, and not the adult in the room.
It’s why for over 40 years it’s been Dems lose, Republicans **** it up, and Dems come in to fix it.
92, 08, 20. Bill Clinton and Obama got re-elected through populism and messaging.
The adults in the room have always been the Democrats…. But rather than run as they are, they run as the idealist. The “in a perfect world” people.
And it gets them within striking distance of the center. But it really pisses off the 90% of the support they need to count on.
The margin is the center. But you have to pull the center your way. You take what they say they need and you show them why it should be you.
These things are always 40-40 (20 in the center) or 45-45 (10 in the center)
You must win a majority of the center. While also not pissing off your 40 or 45 whatever it may be in that election and losing 3-4-5 of what you’re supposed to count on.
Where Republicans more often are so better at politics is they bang on populism regardless of how unpopular their position is.
Democrats by constantly co-opting their message and ceding not minor points, but major details they appear to be the idealist, and not the adult in the room.
It’s why for over 40 years it’s been Dems lose, Republicans **** it up, and Dems come in to fix it.
92, 08, 20. Bill Clinton and Obama got re-elected through populism and messaging.
The adults in the room have always been the Democrats…. But rather than run as they are, they run as the idealist. The “in a perfect world” people.
And it gets them within striking distance of the center. But it really pisses off the 90% of the support they need to count on.
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I can understand why you're angry, but I assure you it's misplaced. You asked why do we have to hope and I answered with the alternative being a chicken little situation. I was not attempting to be patronizing.
If folks want to focus on the terrible things that may happen, that's their choice. I'm not saying you're wrong for believing it will happen. But I will absolutely point out that operating like that isn't a healthy way to live. And would suggest to everyone to try a different approach.
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