***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[ajiiiplatinum]

What a time



This is the takeaway from noted YT/tiktok leftist, David Brooks...

Like Chris Tucker said in Rush Hour 2...behind every big crime there's a rich white guy.
The rich white guy is Wall Street (hedge funds, private equity, big banks) and Big Tech.
These people will only allow moderate democrats to rise up....democrats that will not threaten big business.
Sorry to sound so cynical but Dem and Rep politicians are bought. Very few are not, and they primarily belong on the progressive/socialist side.
Both Republicans and Elitist/Centrist Dems think Bernie was and is crazy. There is a reason why that has been the narrative around it. Big business is threaten by him, AOC, the squad etc.
What? They dont talk enough about race or gender issues? You get at the big business issue in this country and you solve a lot of issues.
Otherwise, you want a democrat out of office? Just close some of your failing stores and blame democrats.... Just raise the price of your goods temporarily and blame inflation and dems for it.
Multi national companies, tech industries, and private equity have too much power in the country and it will only get bigger now with Trump.

 

[moonman818]

It literally hasn't even been 48 hours since the polls closed

 

[ajiiiplatinum]

Democrats should have listened to Bernie Sanders, historians say

Two historians have said that the Democratic Party was wrong to overlook Bernie Sanders' policies for working class people.

www.newsweek.com

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Democrats should have listened to Bernie Sanders, historians say

Two historians have said that the Democratic Party was wrong to overlook Bernie Sanders' policies for working class people.

www.newsweek.com

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP

HE COULDN'T WIN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.

 

[JRaW’d]

I KNEW something like this would happen, it ALWAYS does.

All this trying to assimilate into whiteness is only going to get you but so far before they remind you that you aint like them.

Once they boot yall, dont bring it over here. Figure it out…

 

[gry60]

So, what's up with the vitriol and rhetoric online coming out of some Democrat supporters going after minorities and pro-Palestinians, and unleashing anti-immigration rhetoric? It is like the Blue MAGA of Democrats. It is indistinguishable from Trump's MAGA crowd.

Are you sure about that?

What I see is, people are angered by the fact that the very people who have benefited from an open immigration system are trying to pull the ladder behind them.

There isn't a large African, Arab, Latino, Asian population in the US without the lifting of immigration bans for those areas in the 1950s/60s. Is it surprising to see the sentiment that "if recent immigrants are going to ignore how they were able to get here and **** on those who made their presence here possible, maybe we should revisit the policy of letting everybody in?"

While the outcome is maga-like, the motivations have to do with the feeling that altruism only goes one way. And the mistake a lot of "me first" immigrants are going to realize is, even the most tolerant groups are not impervious to the feeling of being abused.

If anything, the age of grievances has just started, and it's going to get uglier in a lot of unanticipated directions.

 

[a-friend]

Democrats should have listened to Bernie Sanders, historians say

Two historians have said that the Democratic Party was wrong to overlook Bernie Sanders' policies for working class people.

www.newsweek.com

This gonna set osh kosh bosh off

Edit: too late

 

[osh kosh bosh]

This gonna set osh kosh bosh off

Edit: too late

bernie supporters are the worst people in online politics.

smug caping for a politician that never won.



everything comes back to Bernie would have won. its so annoying.

IF YOU CAN'T WIN A PRIMARY YOU CAN'T WIN.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I just want one Bernie freak to explain it to me.

If he couldn't win moderate democrats,
HOW WILL HE WIN MODERATE GENERAL ELECTION VOTERS.


HOW???

 

[osh kosh bosh]

trump is going to get all the political benefits of a good economy.

 

[aepps20]

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP

HE COULDN'T WIN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.

It’s a total lie. We can’t move forward if the changes aren’t based in reality. Bernie and clowns like Ro Khana love to play up this “establishment” and “corporate dems”nonsense but there are other structural issues that need to be fixed. Trump is very good at what he does and even Obama probably would’ve lost given the economic headwinds

 

[ajiiiplatinum]

bernie supporters are the worst people in online politics.

smug caping for a politician that never won.



everything comes back to Bernie would have won. its so annoying.

IF YOU CAN'T WIN A PRIMARY YOU CAN'T WIN.

I never said he should run again. Many policy experts agree that his messaging worked. If you want to bottle it and give it to a younger candidate, go ahead.

Truth is Dems didnt stand up to billionaires and business interests. Instead the working class felt our focus was on social issues...primarily racial and gender issues. Thats all we stand for as Dems in their eyes...unfairly that is what we are seen to be.

 

[youngwolf]

Foolishness.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Truth is Dems didn't stand up to billionaires and business interests.

51% of americans just elected a billionaire backed by the richest man in the world.

 

[nomadicsole21]

I talked about this with my wife the other day and a part of me thinks we wouldn’t be. Trump and everything maga is a response to 8 years of Obama, trump made his political name off Obama with the birther BS. I don’t even think we here right now if it was only 4 years of Obama. It’s sad and no fault of his own but this country has proved not only was it not ready for a black president but it would be extremely resentful that he was successful (defining that as winning reelection) and they gonna make as many people suffer because of it.

but it’s not all on him and I don’t blame him at all and I’m glad he did what he did. republicans were trending more and more right no matter what. Maybe it accelerated their extremism but they were going their regardless.

I had a similar conversation recently and feel the same way. So much of the current political climate seems like a reaction to the Obama administration. For some people, having a Black president was perceived as a challenge to their identity, which drove them to more extreme positions. Looking back at the 2000s and early 2010s, it felt like racial tensions had cooled off somewhat. But then Obama’s presidency, rather than uniting, ended up exposing underlying divisions that some were determined to resist. It's like his success became a flashpoint for people who saw it as a threat rather than progress.

I don't believe the party should move towards more centrist leaning policies. I think the focus should be on why they couldn't secure broader support among Latinos, and Muslims. Moving toward centrist, white-leaning policies might offer short-term gains, but in the long run, it risks alienating the very groups that will shape the future of the country. Instead, the party should work on regaining the trust of the votes they lost, because on the electoral side of voting it seemed like a landslide victory for Trump but this could of been closer in those swing states because if these groups of voters all had more confidence in Harris, it could of been a different story.

This campaign wasn't lost on policies or identity politics it was lost because because Harris was unable to separate herself from the current administration and didn't develop a strong message to voters that things will be okay. Perception played a huge part in why people wanted change. People gravitated towards Trump without even caring about his policies either. The message of MAGA was even more crucial this time around. Didn't work in 2016 because the memory of a stable booming economy was fresh in the memories of voters. Fast forward 8 years with the country going through a pandemic, inflation, and wars...people just associated that and blamed it on the Biden administration. Perception. Making American Great Again resonated with people again because they wanted to go back to their normal lives or the perception of it. It was very sensationalized election IMO, facts and policies were thrown out the window.

 

[ajiiiplatinum]

I just want one Bernie freak to explain it to me.

If he couldn't win moderate democrats,
HOW WILL HE WIN MODERATE GENERAL ELECTION VOTERS.


HOW???

Who are these moderate democrats?
The ones that didnt show up on Tuesday?
Latino and black men?
The celebrities who endorsed her?
The wall street firms who give 50/50 to dems and republicans?
Oh ...the college educated DINKS who live down the street from me in San Mateo County Harris/Walz signs?

 

[pmatic]

 

[Brownstone]

Who are these moderate democrats?
The ones that didnt show up on Tuesday?
Latino and black men?
The celebrities who endorsed her?
The wall street firms who give 50/50 to dems and republicans?
Oh ...the college educated DINKS who live down the street from me in San Mateo County Harris/Walz signs?

I think Democrats really need to take and run with his wealth inequality issue, the problem is Republicans always tie it to socialism but I really think if positioned correctly the right candidate can take Bernies movement and continue it. It's issue NUMBER 1 for me.

The Bernie problem was the candidate, he was a life long politician who really hadn't accomplished much tbh, also was spread too thin, wanted to reform the FED, campaign process, and universal health care. It become unfeasible to people with real jobs to fall for the bait.

 

[elpablo21]

Saw a comment that said this country's future is being led by COD Lobbies

 

[DCAllAfrican]

We had this discussion months ago up here about the left not having these same online creators for young men that the right do. I wish I could search up which thread we talked about it in but NT's search feature hasn't worked for me since the last update.

FDSIgnifier did a video on this. He basically said the content for boys/men from "The Left" is just not enticing enough for anyone to really want to follow.

 

[ajiiiplatinum]

51% of americans just elected a billionaire backed by the richest man in the world.

you know that and I know that... but they dont see that.
He lies to them...he is a studio gangster
He drives a garbage truck and pretends he cooks fries at mcdonalds.
the other guy acts like he builds cars and rockets with his hands.

 

[WASHED KING]

FDSIgnifier did a video on this. He basically said the content for boys/men from "The Left" is just not enticing enough for anyone to really want to follow.

Unfortunately to entice these young men a creator is going to have to do a lot of things that would not be seen as left leaning. At least if they run the same playbook as those on the right.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Tate was just an example, I could go down the list of the red pill grifters I just used to biggest name for the post don't get too hung up on it.

The point is there is a gender divide in which the Democratic party needs to work harder to appeal to straight men.

As long as a chunk of the left focuses on identity politics, I don't think it will ever appeal to straight young men. All of that stuff is just not what those folks buy into because SOME of it just quite frankly doesn't make sense to many. (Not exclusively to straight men but straight women. Especially black ones).

The T issue needs to be addressed at some point. I will leave it at that.

No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.

But I do think it needs to be addressed and by addressed I don't mean forcing everyone to agree/accept how it's presented. Dave Chappelle's bus ride bit is reality because even many of the LGB's doesn't get it either.

Just speak to women about it and you can get an idea of how many people feel.

But even the thought of, "A conversation needs to be had" gives some folks enough ammo to throw names, so I don't even know if a real understanding will ever happen.

 

[WASHED KING]

As long as a chunk of the left focuses on identity politics, I don't think it will ever appeal to straight young men. All of that stuff is just not what those folks buy into because SOME of it just quite frankly doesn't make sense to many. (Not exclusively to straight men but straight women. Especially black ones).

The T issue needs to be addressed at some point. I will leave it at that.

No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.

But I do think it needs to be addressed and by addressed I don't mean forcing everyone to agree/accept how it's presented. Dave Chappelle's bus ride bit is reality because even many of the LGB's doesn't get it either.

Just speak to women about it and you can get an idea of how many people feel.

That's a whole different rabbit hole and if we're being honest I think Kamala ran a very moderate campaign. I don't think the identity politics was a huge factor in this election.

Trump didn't run on policy, and honestly neither did Biden in 2020. America just isn't ready for a woman president and it d*** sure isn't ready for a black woman president.

Hindsight being 20/20 thinking white women as a whole would be ok with a black woman being president before a white woman does it was quite an ask.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

That's a whole different rabbit hole and if we're being honest I think Kamala ran a very moderate campaign. I don't think the identity politics was a huge factor in this election.

Trump didn't run on policy, and honestly neither did Biden in 2020. America just isn't ready for a woman president and it d*** sure isn't ready for a black woman president.

Hindsight being 20/20 thinking white women as a whole would be ok with a black woman being president before a white woman does it was quite an ask.

Nah, I mean in general with the Left attracting young straight men into the fold. Wasn't speaking of her campaign.

I'm saying as long as the identity politics stuff is a major talking point of the party (whether that's intentional or not is a different story), you are limiting the reach to those boys that feel like they are being disenfranchised.