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Democrats should have listened to Bernie Sanders, historians say
Two historians have said that the Democratic Party was wrong to overlook Bernie Sanders' policies for working class people.
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Democrats should have listened to Bernie Sanders, historians say
Two historians have said that the Democratic Party was wrong to overlook Bernie Sanders' policies for working class people.
PLEASE MAKE IT STOP
HE COULDN'T WIN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.
JRaW’d
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I KNEW something like this would happen, it ALWAYS does.
All this trying to assimilate into whiteness is only going to get you but so far before they remind you that you aint like them.
Once they boot yall, dont bring it over here. Figure it out…
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Are you sure about that?
What I see is, people are angered by the fact that the very people who have benefited from an open immigration system are trying to pull the ladder behind them.
There isn't a large African, Arab, Latino, Asian population in the US without the lifting of immigration bans for those areas in the 1950s/60s. Is it surprising to see the sentiment that "if recent immigrants are going to ignore how they were able to get here and **** on those who made their presence here possible, maybe we should revisit the policy of letting everybody in?"
While the outcome is maga-like, the motivations have to do with the feeling that altruism only goes one way. And the mistake a lot of "me first" immigrants are going to realize is, even the most tolerant groups are not impervious to the feeling of being abused.
If anything, the age of grievances has just started, and it's going to get uglier in a lot of unanticipated directions.
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This gonna setDemocrats should have listened to Bernie Sanders, historians say
Two historians have said that the Democratic Party was wrong to overlook Bernie Sanders' policies for working class people.
osh kosh bosh
offEdit: too late
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bernie supporters are the worst people in online politics.
smug caping for a politician that never won.
everything comes back to Bernie would have won. its so annoying.
IF YOU CAN'T WIN A PRIMARY YOU CAN'T WIN.
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I just want one Bernie freak to explain it to me.
If he couldn't win moderate democrats,
HOW WILL HE WIN MODERATE GENERAL ELECTION VOTERS.
HOW???
If he couldn't win moderate democrats,
HOW WILL HE WIN MODERATE GENERAL ELECTION VOTERS.
HOW???
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trump is going to get all the political benefits of a good economy.
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It’s a total lie. We can’t move forward if the changes aren’t based in reality. Bernie and clowns like Ro Khana love to play up this “establishment” and “corporate dems”nonsense but there are other structural issues that need to be fixed. Trump is very good at what he does and even Obama probably would’ve lost given the economic headwinds
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I never said he should run again. Many policy experts agree that his messaging worked. If you want to bottle it and give it to a younger candidate, go ahead.
Truth is Dems didnt stand up to billionaires and business interests. Instead the working class felt our focus was on social issues...primarily racial and gender issues. Thats all we stand for as Dems in their eyes...unfairly that is what we are seen to be.
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51% of americans just elected a billionaire backed by the richest man in the world.
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I had a similar conversation recently and feel the same way. So much of the current political climate seems like a reaction to the Obama administration. For some people, having a Black president was perceived as a challenge to their identity, which drove them to more extreme positions. Looking back at the 2000s and early 2010s, it felt like racial tensions had cooled off somewhat. But then Obama’s presidency, rather than uniting, ended up exposing underlying divisions that some were determined to resist. It's like his success became a flashpoint for people who saw it as a threat rather than progress.
I don't believe the party should move towards more centrist leaning policies. I think the focus should be on why they couldn't secure broader support among Latinos, and Muslims. Moving toward centrist, white-leaning policies might offer short-term gains, but in the long run, it risks alienating the very groups that will shape the future of the country. Instead, the party should work on regaining the trust of the votes they lost, because on the electoral side of voting it seemed like a landslide victory for Trump but this could of been closer in those swing states because if these groups of voters all had more confidence in Harris, it could of been a different story.
This campaign wasn't lost on policies or identity politics it was lost because because Harris was unable to separate herself from the current administration and didn't develop a strong message to voters that things will be okay. Perception played a huge part in why people wanted change. People gravitated towards Trump without even caring about his policies either. The message of MAGA was even more crucial this time around. Didn't work in 2016 because the memory of a stable booming economy was fresh in the memories of voters. Fast forward 8 years with the country going through a pandemic, inflation, and wars...people just associated that and blamed it on the Biden administration. Perception. Making American Great Again resonated with people again because they wanted to go back to their normal lives or the perception of it. It was very sensationalized election IMO, facts and policies were thrown out the window.
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Who are these moderate democrats?
The ones that didnt show up on Tuesday?
Latino and black men?
The celebrities who endorsed her?
The wall street firms who give 50/50 to dems and republicans?
Oh ...the college educated DINKS who live down the street from me in San Mateo County Harris/Walz signs?
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I think Democrats really need to take and run with his wealth inequality issue, the problem is Republicans always tie it to socialism but I really think if positioned correctly the right candidate can take Bernies movement and continue it. It's issue NUMBER 1 for me.
The Bernie problem was the candidate, he was a life long politician who really hadn't accomplished much tbh, also was spread too thin, wanted to reform the FED, campaign process, and universal health care. It become unfeasible to people with real jobs to fall for the bait.
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Saw a comment that said this country's future is being led by COD Lobbies 
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FDSIgnifier did a video on this. He basically said the content for boys/men from "The Left" is just not enticing enough for anyone to really want to follow.
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you know that and I know that... but they dont see that.
He lies to them...he is a studio gangster
He drives a garbage truck and pretends he cooks fries at mcdonalds.
the other guy acts like he builds cars and rockets with his hands.
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Unfortunately to entice these young men a creator is going to have to do a lot of things that would not be seen as left leaning. At least if they run the same playbook as those on the right.
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As long as a chunk of the left focuses on identity politics, I don't think it will ever appeal to straight young men. All of that stuff is just not what those folks buy into because SOME of it just quite frankly doesn't make sense to many. (Not exclusively to straight men but straight women. Especially black ones).
The T issue needs to be addressed at some point. I will leave it at that.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
No, I don't think that issue alone should make someone vote either way.
But I do think it needs to be addressed and by addressed I don't mean forcing everyone to agree/accept how it's presented. Dave Chappelle's bus ride bit is reality because even many of the LGB's doesn't get it either.
Just speak to women about it and you can get an idea of how many people feel.
But even the thought of, "A conversation needs to be had" gives some folks enough ammo to throw names, so I don't even know if a real understanding will ever happen.
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That's a whole different rabbit hole and if we're being honest I think Kamala ran a very moderate campaign. I don't think the identity politics was a huge factor in this election.
Trump didn't run on policy, and honestly neither did Biden in 2020. America just isn't ready for a woman president and it d*** sure isn't ready for a black woman president.
Hindsight being 20/20 thinking white women as a whole would be ok with a black woman being president before a white woman does it was quite an ask.
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Nah, I mean in general with the Left attracting young straight men into the fold. Wasn't speaking of her campaign.
I'm saying as long as the identity politics stuff is a major talking point of the party (whether that's intentional or not is a different story), you are limiting the reach to those boys that feel like they are being disenfranchised.
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don't let these leftist pretend to care about young men being radicalized online.
they were laughing and making fun of the idea of trying to appeal to them for years and years.
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