***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Lucky13s]

The refusal to even consider shifting approach after the Dems lose the presidency, senate, and house is really astounding. But go off.

You guys literally ran the same candidate that lost 4 years ago, and he doubled down on his strategy, and this time it worked. I’m sure your gold medal mental gymnastics will say that’s “different.” Look. It was inflation. No Democrat or strategy was going to win this year. So just enjoy the “win.” I hope you guys get everything you voted for, and choke on it. But no, racists and misogynists will never be fully accepted. Bigots will still be called out, because some of us care things other than just money.

 

[cragmatic]

Fear mongering and calling people 'snowflakes" are the basis of MAGA

The “I won’t live my life in fear crew”

Are afraid of EVERYTHING

 

[nomadicsole21]

the anti-immigrant, anti-minority rhetoric this week has been crazy. I haven’t searched a single thing about them, and I keep seeing “About to call ICE on my Latino neighbors” type of @$&$ all over forums.

The majority of minorities are not Trump supporters, especially in blue states. Since colonial times, there have always been self-hating, self-serving, boot-licking “yes boss” types in every ethnic group. It’s nowhere near a new thing at all. They’ve just been emboldened to voice their views more these days.

If I lived online 24/7, you’d think that black people, Mexicans , Vietnamese, etc. are die hard Trump supporters nationwide. Never mind the fact that this is clearly not the case in the cities where most of them actually live. How many Trump supporting minorities do you see in the Bay and LA percentage wise? Come on…

From personal experience, the truth is many of them actually don’t vote at all because they’ve never felt like their voices or issues matter. On top of that, millions are here on visas, green cards, or are undocumented and can’t vote even if they wanted to. That’s a completely different issue than saying they worship Trump as a whole.

I can’t speak for all minority groups, but most Asians are here with the “I’ll just shut up, make money, take care of my family.” My 62 year old mom is a US citizen and STILL thinks of herself as an outsider to this country after 40 years of living here, and I’m sure most Asians here can relate to their parents telling them “you’re born here but you’ll never be American.” Can you blame them for thinking that though?

Also, educated/well behaved Asians HATE low class people like Trump and left their countries to get away from people like him running things.

The internalized racism first generation Asian-Americans feel is a story that really no one outside of us really speaks about anyways so people don't even know it exists. We're subconsciously told that we don't belong and have never belonged in this country and historically have had policies and barriers created to represent those very ideas. Even with that said, I think the Asian American voting base has proven to be very consistent in turnout for the left. Even in the exit polls and voting discrepancies a few people have shared here, show that we shifted right far less compared to Latinos and African Americans.

Not sure if it is entirely a high class thing about hating Trump but low income and medium income Asians hate authoritarian figures the same, probably the only thing we can agree on regardless of income or ethnicity Probably ingrained in our DNA somehow for all the infighting and power shifts in the continent throughout the centuries

With poor voting turnout, I agree somewhat in general but I feel like it depends. The states with heavy Asian populations all traditionally vote one way so I think it is somewhat a factor into that "I'll just keep quiet and mind my business mentality". The West Coast will always lean left, and Texas/Florida all lean right. This may be why there is that general stigma of voting won't matter within the Asian community. It's somewhat true considering everyone knows these states are solidified for their respective parties, but there should more of a discussion in swing states like Pennsylvania, Georgia and Nevada with high Asian populations.

 

[Beans]

Inflation wasn’t helping and neither was branding “bidenomics” but to think the same strategy is going to work again is insane.

Dems need a whole re brand, blame the voters all you want but that entitlement isn’t going to help win.

I know all the country cares about is money, how do you propose the dems convince people they’ll make more under them? They talked about it a lot and people still voted for the stupid tariff guy.

It’s a power thing. None of those old ppl trying to give up any control over this party. NONE. Look at Biden, refusing to step aside early, RBG, and pelosi now.. they would rather the entire world suffers than step aside and let someone else take control. You see the spin already. Gotta find your polarizing voice and get rid of Nancy. Can’t speak to the everyday man and warn ppl about criminals when she’s walking around as the figure head.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

I know all the country cares about is money, how do you propose the dems convince people they’ll make more under them? They talked about it a lot and people still voted for the stupid tariff guy.

No amount of rebranding is going to solve this. if folks really care about their pockets, “i told you so” Should be a more than effective campaign slogan.

 

[mplsdunk]

It’s a power thing. None of those old ppl trying to give up any control over this party. NONE. Look at Biden, refusing to step aside early, RBG, and pelosi now.. they would rather the entire world suffers than step aside and let someone else take control. You see the spin already. Gotta find your polarizing voice and get rid of Nancy. Can’t speak to the everyday man and warn ppl about criminals when she’s walking around as the figure head.

She needs to retire asap, all people know her for is being the queen of insider trading.

This thread is a little more engaged obviously but the average person is just going to know her for unusual whales posting her trades.

 

[mplsdunk]

No amount of rebranding is going to solve this. if folks really care about their pockets, “i told you so” Should be a more than effective campaign slogan.

That’s why I think when inevitably it goes to **** the dems should have new blood ready to swoop in when the voters swing back the other way.

 

[Mark Antony]

Coddling people throwing hateful rhetoric is forever a stupid suggested strategy. How do you guys expect that look?

"Go home monkey"
"ahh, my apologies"

 

[jshortt]

They don't lay blame at the base because the base turns out no matter what.

The GOP base turns out all the time because they don't complain about small victories. Ours does. That's the issue! Our base refuses to play the long game, when it's the long game that gets permanent victories. How many of them know about all the progressive economic wins the Biden administration generated? Instead, they ran with "Genocide Joe."

Until they acknowledge their role in the Dem party having low confidence in the Dem base turnout, and until our own people understand that, small or big, a win is a win is a win that we must build on, progressives can't expect the Democratic leadership to trust them.


That's not the point.

Appeal to disaffected GOP politicians during the elections is to erode the margins of the GOP. Republicans did the same thing with former Democrat politicians and celebrities. It's not like the policy platform will change because of that temporary support. That's part of the electoral game!
If this is something that is going to trigger a faction of the Democratic base, we have lost before a single vote has been cast.

I get that a lot of potential Democrat voters were angry about a lot of things done by the party, but this election was an opportunity for younger Democrats to take power from the Biden generation and assert itself and its values. We failed because too many of us do not understand that we have to embrace incremental victories. You can't change **** from the outside.

I've been saying this for a while now. Especially with a lot of the Gen Z'ers and late millennials. They expected Biden to walk in and wave a magic wand on day 1 and fix everything. They don't seem to have a real grasp on how policies or the branches of government in general actually work. Like you said, long game.

EDIT: This...

AOC is the model for how progressives should operate.

Have your differences with the Democratic Party, but learn how to play ball with them.

 

[rexanglorum]

End American Hokuo,

NIMBYs, stop hoarding economic opportunities and telling struggling people outside of cities to “learn to bloom were you are.”

The ground, the dirt within 15, 20 miles outside of a major financial center is an extremely valuable national asset, which we all, directly or indirectly, contribute to its value.

IMO, one story houses near our great national centers of commerce, should be phased out and if you want a ranch house on a big lot thats near downtown, you should have to pay a huge luxury tax. Your selfishness is holding back the nation’s economy and is contributing to right, populist anti urban politics.

 

[nomadicsole21]

It’s toning down the fear-mongering and working to get their supporters to tone down the “you’re a bigot” rhetoric online.

A campaign of empathy and compassion towards MAGA types will go further than gotcha Don Lemon videos and chilling opposing views on certain online forums.

This is literally the playbook of the party you vote for. Your voter base is selfish, you're even flipping this about yourself asking us to be empathetic to MAGA types. Why is this about you guys? Why is this not about the marginalized people your very party attacks dehumanizes? Fear mongering is the "our cities are ravaged, our jobs are being taken, protect our children from the LGBT, protect our border"

It's not about you guys, it's about your beliefs and what it stands for. If you're being called something, maybe perhaps take a moment and reflect? I get it, it's unfair calling you all racist, bigots...but if it ain't you keep it moving. Don't defend it, if you're defending it you are guilty by association. People who are bigots and racists don't need empathy, why are you looking for empathy for them?

 

[elpablo21]

I hope the party coddles these people so if they lose again next cycle people will just turn and say the Dems were soft lmao

Dems are either too tough or not tough enough by the standards set at this point. It's almost like their best campaign path is to watch the economy tank to make voters feel sorta cornered to vote for them even when they partly still don't want to

 

[mplsdunk]

Worked last time to just sit back and watch it burn

 

[dwalk31]

You guys literally ran the same candidate that lost 4 years ago, and he doubled down on his strategy, and this time it worked. I’m sure your gold medal mental gymnastics will say that’s “different.” Look. It was inflation. No Democrat or strategy was going to win this year. So just enjoy the “win.” I hope you guys get everything you voted for, and choke on it. But no, racists and misogynists will never be fully accepted. Bigots will still be called out, because some of us care things other than just money.

This is literally the playbook of the party you vote for. Your voter base is selfish, you're even flipping this about yourself asking us to be empathetic to MAGA types. Why is this about you guys? Why is this not about the marginalized people your very party attacks dehumanizes? Fear mongering is the "our cities are ravaged, our jobs are being taken, protect our children from the LGBT, protect our border"

It's not about you guys, it's about your beliefs and what it stands for. If you're being called something, maybe perhaps take a moment and reflect? I get it, it's unfair calling you all racist, bigots...but if it ain't you keep it moving. Don't defend it, if you're defending it you are guilty by association. People who are bigots and racists don't need empathy, why are you looking for empathy for them?

I supported President Biden and VP Harris this election. But it isn't difficult to see that expanding the Dems' reach is better served by not alienating half of the electorate. Sure, there are some MAGA types that are out of reach. But lumping every person who appears to show support for Trump into that group results in people rage-voting against the Dems or staying at home. Slam dunking on people on-line is great for e-cred. But in the real world it strengthens and helps to expand Trump's base.

 

[mplsdunk]

Coddling people throwing hateful rhetoric is forever a stupid suggested strategy. How do you guys expect that look?

"Go home monkey"
"ahh, my apologies"

Yeah true

The other day I saw money man saying he was voting trump because he was out of the closet racist and at least he knows how he feels about him.

How do you even deal with that?

 

[elpablo21]

Worked last time to just sit back and watch it burn

Yeah the collateral damage just sucks for ppl who definitely don't deserve it but it's probably gonna burn one way or another

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Maaaan Kamala Harris was pitching price controls.

How much further left can they go?

 

[Mark Antony]

Yeah true

The other day I saw money man saying he was voting trump because he was out of the closet racist and at least he knows how he feels about him.

How do you even deal with that?

Right, you have actual racists and neo nazis saying they're voting for him because they're racist, and he' s the racist's choice, what does someone standing right next to them expect?

Either way best of luck to this country and it's choices, i'm mostly disconnecting from all this.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

People need to get specific;

What is the specific policy that Kamala moved to the right on?

What is the policy Dems needs to move to the left on?

 

[mplsdunk]

Yeah the collateral damage just sucks for ppl who definitely don't deserve it but it's probably gonna burn one way or another

Yeah I know. People are in here laughing at immigrants who are regretting their choice because of family members potentially getting deported for example.

Idk I don’t really find anything funny about it. This thread knows better than most how much guap is thrown around to control the narrative and get votes then act surprised when people vote the way they do.

You voted against him, I did too. It’s really all you can do sometimes. If people aren’t trying to hear it they aren’t trying to hear it.

 

[me love nutella]

the anti-immigrant, anti-minority rhetoric this week has been crazy. I haven’t searched a single thing about them, and I keep seeing “About to call ICE on my Latino neighbors” type of @$&$ all over forums.

Frankly, there are various spectrums of certain communities that will be more supportive of settler imperial/colonial systems and projects depending on the times, and also shifting power imbalance and dynamics. It is because of the history and the social/power hierarchies, and how they have been assimilated. or ostracized.

Like when it comes to Latin Americans, which was plundered by Europeans, and then heavily indoctrinated with Western Judeo-Christian appropriated version of Christianity, and now they have been now 3rd or 4th generation assimilated into the American Empire, at the end of the day, in some communities, the internalized racism, colonial mentality will be much stronger.

But, it is still not fault of minorities, because white men and women will always reign due to white supremacy and capitalism, it is just who buys into it to keep the status quo. It doesn't matter, red or blue, we need to organize outside these settler colonial systems.

 

[Public Enemy]

Nonsense. It's basically the evolution of "seems like a guy you could have a beer with". Nonsense.

 

[rexanglorum]

Chapo’s politics aren’t perfect, in fact their takes on voting and often downright buffoonish, but they, and the people who support them, did not deserve to be compared to 2006 Duke Lacrosse back in 2016. As many in the Atlantic-Salon-Vox media world did.

 

[biggie62]

Worked last time to just sit back and watch it burn

Sucks for those that don’t deserve it but **** it

 

[mplsdunk]

Sucks for those that don’t deserve it but **** it

You tried, we all tried brother.