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This country is so trash :lol:



This is so much worst than the first time too. Like he’s getting love-love out here and it’s not just from his regular rabid fans. This guy really broke politics. There are going to be AP courses on Trump’s presidency for years to come.

Jesus Christ. This country :smh: :lol:
 
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uhm wut? it's a swing district that Trump won by 1 point right?

Why would taking a less moderate position give her better chance in a Trump +1 district?
It's moving more blue with people getting priced out of portland. It used to be safe republican until 2020, so a Trump +1 is still danger for the GOP, but MGP might **** around and either keep her voters home or get primaried.
 
This country is so trash :lol:



This is so much worst than the first time too. Like he’s getting love-love out here and it’s not just from his regular rabid fans. This guy really broke politics. There are going to be AP courses on Trump’s presidency for years to come.

Jesus Christ. This country :smh: :lol:

disgusting behavior
i cringed so hard bruh spineless ppl
 
The thing is, I have no problem with Republicans being “tough on crime” and “law and order” on paper. Too many Americans of all backgrounds need severe behavioral modification.

BUT “tough on crime” needs to be applied fairly. You can’t beat up subway gate hoppers for cheating the city out of $2 while giving people like Trump and Elon the equivalent of verbal warnings for 100000x worse offenses. You can’t preach about “law and order” when Trump supporters violently attack politicians and peaceful protestors. You can’t bash Chicago 24/7 and talk about sending in troops there, while Republican states are allowed to have the highest gun violence per capita.

Well that's why "tough on crime" doesn't work because it is never applied correctly.
 
Well that's why "tough on crime" doesn't work because it is never applied correctly.

Of course. It’s the same with all of the Republican tag lines. Pro life, freedom from government overreach, tough on crime, all sound good until you don’t provide adequate and affordable healthcare for most of the population, you create laws that take away the rights of women/minorities, you let your “donors” legally get away with tax evasion/embezzlement while encouraging police to brutalize people for petty crimes…
 
It's moving more blue with people getting priced out of portland. It used to be safe republican until 2020, so a Trump +1 is still danger for the GOP, but MGP might **** around and either keep her voters home or get primaried.

the problem is highly ideological people who would be informed enough to be mad about the various moderate positions she taken,

are also LEAST LIKELY to stay home.


even if its moving left, even if becomes let's say +2 D I really doubt thats enough for anyone to look at MGP as a strong primary opportunity.
 
He moderated on entitlement cuts in 2016, he moderates by being big on protectionism and tariffs against the wishes of the chamber of commerce republicans, he targeted working class latino voters in Nevada wit the no tax on tips. He said he would not sign a nation wide abortion ban against the wishes of the anti abortion lobby.
The next time you’re about to feign incredulity when accused of contrarianism, maybe pause and reflect on the time you tried to make the argument that, “well ackshyually, Donald Trump was a moderate.”

Seriously, these are your examples? A Republican pledging to cut taxes? Moving to the right of John McCain to try and repeal the ACA with no replacement plan? Self-destructive nationalism? Taking credit for state-level abortion bans that are abhorrent to two-thirds of the country?

Your idea of a moderate is someone who got called a “race-baiting xenophobic bigot” by Lindsay Graham? And this is what you want Democrats to emulate?

Trump had the most extreme, far-right administration in our lifetimes. In some ways, his 2024 campaign has gone even further: He’s promised the largest mass deportation operation in the nation’s history. He vowed to expand the federal death penalty. He told wild lies about schools performing gender reassignment surgeries and Haitian immigrants eating pets. Have you seen Project 2025?

Oh, but he spoke at a church in Detroit (which he referred to as “the hood”) in front of this crowd:



That’s your evidence?

Weren’t you the one saying that Harris over-performed by turning a sure loss into a coin flip?


You argue that Democrats have become “too extreme,” but when it comes to economic policies you want them to go further left. You only want them to move right on social issues and pretend this is some sober, high level analysis that has nothing to do with your own longstanding personal preferences. Does anyone here buy that? I’m not seeing it.

There’s no reason to believe that capitulation would accomplish anything positive. Harris ran to the right on immigration and still got smeared for supporting “open borders.”


You want all these things to be true at the same time:
  • Bigotry isn’t a deal-breaker for swing voters.
  • Anti-bigotry IS a deal-breaker for swing voters.
  • And further diluting Democrats’ already compromised positions on social issues is going to somehow outflank demagoguery for those same voters who are unbothered by racism but bothered by anti-racism.
Good luck with that.


You gotta be f'n kiddin me



Apparently we’re supposed to believe that this is a good thing and it’s high time universities stopped engaging in “identity politics.”

We mustn’t push back on this, lest we anger the moderates!

Learned helplessness.
 
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